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Newborn
July 25th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Where was Jesus (spirit-wise) during the 3 days He was dead? When He arose, He said He had not yet ascended to His Father. So where had He been?

ImHis
July 25th, 2007, 03:26 PM
from Dr. Hank Lindstrom
www.biblelineministries.com
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The Bible teaches that there is a hollow place in the center of the earth called "sheol" in the Old Testament and "hades" in the New Testament. There is a place of comfort called paradise and a place of torment in sheol or hades separated by a huge gulf (Luke 16:26). All of the dead saved and lost went to hades and sheol prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The saved were waiting for the payment for sin to be made. The lost are still waiting to be cast into hell (Revelation 20:14).

When Jesus died he went to hades or sheol to the paradise side. When the dying thief crucified with Christ asked to be saved, Jesus replied, "Verily I say unto thee, Today thou shalt be with me in paradise." So we learn that paradise was in the heart of the earth. When Jesus was resurrected He emptied paradise out and took the Old Testament believers to heaven. Since Calvary, the believer at death enters directly into the presence of the Lord.

Newborn
July 25th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the response. That's what I was hoping the answer would be.

Jadiri
July 25th, 2007, 05:02 PM
yes I dont have the scripture right this second But it says that before he accended he decended .. all the faithful from the past were given chance to except Christ as Lord..

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

tom_roberts
July 25th, 2007, 05:10 PM
question

obeying the 10 commandments got one to paradise?
and how is that possible if so:idunno

as i thought no one could keep the whole law?:idunno
thanks

Jadiri
July 25th, 2007, 05:24 PM
NOpe

Following the 10 commandments didnt get you in to paradise , and if you look deeper 10 barely scrstches the surface there were more like several hundered ...

There was no promised paraidise or anything beyond life here Just that if you were faithful to hold to the laws and pleased god he would be behind you your family and israel and they would prosper and do well ..

The promise was the comeing of Christ (messiah)

ImHis
July 26th, 2007, 10:27 AM
question

obeying the 10 commandments got one to paradise?
and how is that possible if so:idunno

as i thought no one could keep the whole law?:idunno
thanks

Hebrews 11 has the answer. It tells how many OT saints got into paradise. They did so by trusting God, just as we today must (trust Christ) for salvation.

Some call Hebrews Chapter 11 the "Faith Hall of Fame"
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Hebrews 11 (King James Version)
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Saved405
July 30th, 2007, 01:58 PM
question

obeying the 10 commandments got one to paradise?
and how is that possible if so:idunno

as i thought no one could keep the whole law?:idunno
thanks

because he had faith that Jesus was the Son of God.

antitox
August 8th, 2007, 01:27 AM
Here's the rub:

Heb 9:15 (RSV) "Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant." (italics, mine)

Those who believed during the Old Covenant were fully redeemed by the blood of Jesus in the New Covenant. Essentially, the sacrifices under the Old Covenant were meant to cover their sins until Jesus should arrive and actually take them away for good. That is what was intended all along.

Mentat
August 9th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Those who believed during the Old Covenant were fully redeemed by the blood of Jesus in the New Covenant. Essentially, the sacrifices under the Old Covenant were meant to cover their sins until Jesus should arrive and actually take them away for good. That is what was intended all along.

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