Pope says we need to listen to the voice of the earth

[mercyandgrace]

[QUOTE=jba4241;129954

Listen, I am someone who has little respect for the Mulsim faith. I'm no defender of them, trust me. But explain to me how what you posted differs from the Jews who deny their God has a Son, yet you accept that from them. Why?

Joe[/QUOTE]

Besides, not all Jews rejected Christ. The early Christians were Jewish (not Catholic). Catholicism came later. Catholicism adheres to a legalistic form of salvation.

I'm not saying that Catholics aren't saved. When we get to Heaven, there won't be any Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodist, etc. We will all be one.

We are the bride of Christ and He's coming for us soon.

[Hope]

Because the Jews are God's chosen people, Joe.

But God made a covenant with Hagar as well, and since we know God never renegs on his promises, what of that covenant? Is it still in effect?

[ATYCLB]

No, Allah is not. God is. However, I guess the point is even if someone has a mixed up idea of God doesn't mean they're not worshipping the same God. I may THINK God is an overweight old man. That's probably not right. But it doesn't mean I'm not worshipping God! I just have the wrong image of Him. He is still God.That's the deception, Joe.

We're not talking about a distorted view of the one true God here.
We're talking about two separate entities.

Psalm 96:5 tells us, "For all the gods of the nations are idols . . ."


That's how I look at Muslims. They have the wrong image of Him, no doubt, but it doesn't mean they're not worshipping God.They do not worship God.

You claim, "No, Allah is not" your creator and your judge on the last day . . . then you
assert that they simply have the wrong image of Him and that it doesn't mean they're
not worshipping God.

Joe, if it's just a wrong image of Him and it is the same God, will you proclaim "Allah Akbar"
right now on this board?

If not, why?


But explain to me how what you posted differs from the Jews who deny their God has a Son, yet you accept that from them. Why?Pretty simple:

Allah . . . I have no son.

God . . . This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

God repeatedly points us to His Son throughout Scripture. At no point does He deny His Son.

That the Jews deny this and don't yet understand it because of that whole "blindness
in part" problem, doesn't make it any less true.

"the Christians call Christ the son of Allah . . . Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"

"Praise be to Allah, Who begets no son . . ."

"Allah did not beget a son; Nor is there any god along with Him . . ."

The Koran is clear on this difference.
Allah is clear on the difference.
Millions of Muslims are clear on the difference.

Again, 2 Corinthians 11:4 tells us:

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye
receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have
not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

Muhammad, Islam, preaches another Jesus . . . another God.

It just doesn't get any clearer than that.

That this is even in debate within the Body is evidence of how deep the deception runs.

[Hope]

ACTCLB, I think what Joe means is that if you say Muslims don't worship the same God as do we because they reject the Son, then you would also have to say Jews don't worship the same God either because they also reject the Trinity as well.

The fact is that God made a covenant with Abrahams' two children; the son of Sarah and the Son of Hagar, and both Judaism and Islam claim this covenant and claim to worship the God of Abraham. We also see the strife of thousands of years played out before our very eyes and the sibling rivalry continues to this very day.

Hope

[mikalikat]

Then let's dig a big hole, put Benedict in it and tell him to be our ears and keep us posted.

[felixthecat]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/


Wow. Whatever happened to listening to God? Catholicism and outright paganism starting to get intertwined? I mean this is coming from the pope in a public statement.

Allot of "Christians" see his view as well.

Pope: Creation vs. evolution clash an ‘absurdity’
Benedict XVI also says humans must listen to ‘the voice of the Earth’

From boyhood to war to seminary to the Vatican, images trace the career of the 265th pope.

Updated: 2:55 p.m. ET July 25, 2007

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith.

(same link - entire title)

This old fool ... if only he'd read the Bible.

The Hebrew bears it out that the earth and all we see and don't see was created in seven, 24 hour days.

The order of evolution is ALL WRONG. Worse yet it is atheists that promote evolution.

The underlying premises with evolution is that there is NO GOD.

This old man is becoming more and more ridicuous.

[felixthecat]

It's easy to pile on the pope but many other "Christians" have no problem with evolution. IMO, it's worse when a church leader of sorts ... doesn't get his facts straight and turns people AWAY from God and doesn't give Him the credit He deserves.

Rom.1:20

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[WhitemoonG]

Anybody got a SEISMOMETER so I can listen?

[felixthecat]

I wonder, does this guy, really think God is an ape? Evolutionists believe we humans, are decendents of apes.

Gen.1:27

[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Ah, no transgenered homosexuals etc.)

I didn't "evolve" from an "ape" and my God is NO APE!
Perhaps HIS god is an "ape" and he's related to an "ape".

As a HUMAN being, I have dominion over ANUMALS. There is a defference between animals and humans.
Gen.1:26,28

[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

No, evolution has NOTHING In common with Creation by God.
Absolutely NOTHING and there is NO evidence that supports evolution.
As I mentioned before, other "Christains" want to see compatabilty between Creation and evolution.

[Sing4Him]

But God made a covenant with Hagar as well,:scratch:scratch

SON of the bondwoman I will make a nation....promise..