Concealed Carry

[johnbmcginnis]

I do not have my CCW...yet.

Here in Minnesota we can carry, but all a business has to do it put a sign on saying the do not allow guns on the premises and you are not allowed to bring it in. All that does is stop the good guys from having a gun in there. I need to find out what can happen if one is still brought in.

http://www2.mnbar.org/benchandbar/2003/jul03/conceal-carry-business.htm
The rules for Minnesota don't state a punishment for breaking the rules.

Minnesota:
Like employers, business owners may also restrict individuals from carrying guns on-site if the operator of the establishment makes a "reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment." To satisfy the "reasonable request" requirement, the private establishment must:


1) have a conspicuous sign posted at every entrance to the establishment that states, "[name of the company] bans guns in these premises." The sign(s) must be in black Arial typeface at lease 11/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area (which translates to an 11x17 sign). The sign(s) must be readily visible and within four feet laterally of each entrance with the bottom of each sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor;

and

2) personally inform the person of the posted request and demand his or her compliance.


To me, it sounds like the business owner has to inform every customer personally for compliance.

[Josh]

I carry a Kahr PM9, because it is small and easy to stash inside my jeans.

I have a Glock 17 chambered and ready to go by my bed.

[jeshurun]

If the rapture doesn't happen anytime soon, I'm getting myself the most powerful handgun with laser sight I can buy. Peace & order situation is getting worse everywhere.

[BenBenson]

I've thought about it here in Montana, the problem is having a CCW changes many violations that would be misdemeanors into felonies, so I've held off so far. Not that I do those violations, I just hate the idea of accidentally carrying the weapon in a no-go zone landing me in prison instead of simply getting a ticket. That and I'm not sure if a state felony removes your right to bear arms or not, but I'm pretty sure it does or will soon.

Any felony removes your right (pretty stupid concept eh, removing a right?)
to own a firearm.

This is a pretty idiotic concept IMHO. "But you cant have criminals with weapons" some might moan. Well, if a man has completed his punishment given him to the court for the crime he commited, I believe it should be finished at that point. No secondary, lifelong "punishments" such as never being able to vote, own a weapon to defend himself, etc. He shouldn't be branded a criminal for life after serving a punishment that was deemed "just" by the state. To me, its like a violation of contract.

"But a felon who is armed would be dangerous" some say. Well, if the said felon is so dangerous, that is he has not be rehabilitated, then why release him from prison at all?

In the old west, the first thing they would hand a man when he was released from prison were his boots and his gun.

[Josh]

Any felony removes your right (pretty stupid concept eh, removing a right?)
to own a firearm.

This is a pretty idiotic concept IMHO. "But you cant have criminals with weapons" some might moan. Well, if a man has completed his punishment given him to the court for the crime he commited, I believe it should be finished at that point. No secondary, lifelong "punishments" such as never being able to vote, own a weapon to defend himself, etc. He shouldn't be branded a criminal for life after serving a punishment that was deemed "just" by the state. To me, its like a violation of contract.

"But a felon who is armed would be dangerous" some say. Well, if the said felon is so dangerous, that is he has not be rehabilitated, then why release him from prison at all?

In the old west, the first thing they would hand a man when he was released from prison were his boots and his gun.
Rational thought has no place in gun debates. A little more emotion is needed here, please.

[jeshurun]

benbenson,

I don't know if ex-cons have their 2nd amendment rights revoked; but if it is, I think its a law that makes an awful lot of sense. Just like notifying the police department if a sex offender is moving into a city; just my very humble opinion.

This principle was taught by Jesus himself:
Mar 9:43-47 And if thy hand cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having thy two hands to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire. (44) <> (45) And if thy foot cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life halt, rather than having thy two feet to be cast into hell. (46) <> (47) And if thine eye cause thee to stumble, cast it out: it is good for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell;

[NovaStorm]

benbenson,

I don't know if ex-cons have their 2nd amendment rights revoked; but if it is, I think its a law that makes an awful lot of sense. Just like notifying the police department if a sex offender is moving into a city; just my very humble opinion.
erm in California it's felon, spousal abuse and domestic violence restraining order. The way the courts are, if you spank your kids they will probably take your self defense and hunting weapons since they have been pushing real hard to put those ebil peeps that spank children into prison.

[dentndude2]

Well I'm not a male but I do have my conceil carry permit for Texas. I havent had to use it, nor do I carry it all the time. The main purpose was to keep it in my car. I have a Bersa 380 semi auto. We also have a Smith and Wesson MP 15 and a .22 for target practice. Dh and I are looking to add a Sig 40 cal. We like guns:thumb

Well, it may make no difference to you, but I am a police officer in Texas and the new non-applicability laws for UCW (Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon) just changed 9-1-07. Now, as long as you meet the 'traveling exception' in your car, on your way to your car, or on your premises; you can carry a handgun, illegal knife, or a club. It's gotta be concealed and not out in plain view, you're not engaged in criminal activity (other than a Class C Misdemeanor regulating traffic), not otherwise prohibited from having the weapon, not a member of a criminal street gang, and in a private motor vehicle (or premise under your control). Those five criteria meet the 'traveling exception' (Penal Code 46.15).

Just thought you may like to know.

[KnightErrant]

benbenson,

I don't know if ex-cons have their 2nd amendment rights revoked; but if it is, I think its a law that makes an awful lot of sense. Just like notifying the police department if a sex offender is moving into a city; just my very humble opinion.

This principle was taught by Jesus himself:

If you are a convicted felon, it is a violation of Federal Law to poccess any firearm, even simply to pick up a firearm to look at it.

Whether it makes sense or not is another question; I would limit it to people who commit violent crimes.

[No2Flesh]

Well, it may make no difference to you, but I am a police officer in Texas and the new non-applicability laws for UCW (Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon) just changed 9-1-07. Now, as long as you meet the 'traveling exception' in your car, on your way to your car, or on your premises; you can carry a handgun, illegal knife, or a club. It's gotta be concealed and not out in plain view, you're not engaged in criminal activity (other than a Class C Misdemeanor regulating traffic), not otherwise prohibited from having the weapon, not a member of a criminal street gang, and in a private motor vehicle (or premise under your control). Those five criteria meet the 'traveling exception' (Penal Code 46.15).

Just thought you may like to know.

Hi, Im a Texan and am trying to fully understand our new law.
Could you define "travel"..does it have to cross county lines for example..or could it be a short trip across town?