The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[name1]

It si not a 100% safe world out there. Will a chip make it safer? NO!

God is in control. Chips will not replace God's will - whatever it is. I put my trust and faith in God; not a chip - man trying to play god.

We had an experience with a church where a member had an unhealthy interest in children. To make a long story short the guy was a pedophile according to the police - he displayed that attributes of one and later I found out that others had also left the church because of him. The minister protected him so we were forced to leave and still he harassed us. He finally stopped when we sent him attorney leaderhead stationary, carefully worded to stay away from us!

Now, would a chip have done any good? NO! He was trying to take her out of Sunday school and just "walk around the church ...". No, God is in control. If these were careless Sunday school teachers they could have let him, "take her out for a walk". He probably would have returned her to continue what he was up to ... and probably threatened her to keep quiet. That's usually how it goes with molestors. So again, would a chip have protected her? NO!


I firmly believe that God protected her and the Holy Spirit made us uneasy enough to learn about pedophiles and remove her from the situation. If something awful would have happened, I'd tearfully have to say it was God's will too even though my heart would be broken - I'd have to accept that, as hard as that would be. A chip is NOT going to stop anyone. If anything whoever abducts them will surely murder them because of the chip implanted. They won't want to take the chance of being caught with the child.

This reminds me of a car manufacturerer who in their zeal made it known that you could somehow OPEN THE TRUNK from the inside if you were locked inside - they had abductions on their mind ... . Now, if you're going to abduct someone would you use that kind of car to put their live body in? Of course not! Dumb ones might. SMART ONES, SUCCESSFUL ONES, SERIAL KILLERS won't do that. The reason they are successful is because they are smart.

Of course, you do as you see fit. I simply don't let scare tactics distract me or my faith in Him to watch over us. It is always His will that is done, not ours. Whether c person or an animal is chipped or not, it is God Who is in control and will determine where or not that loved one is found dead or alive. The chip made by fallible man will never stop God's will - one way or the other.

Er, I suppose its a personal preference or view than... but I don't really consider it a lack of trust and faith in God, to take precautions against horrors that "do" exist in this world.

I'm really thankful that your child was protected, and kept safe from that monster. But, I guess I'd view taking the precaution of a tracker-chip, the same as you took the precaution of removing her and your family from that situation. In both cases actions are taken, to minimize the horrible chance of something horrendous happening.

Sorry, while I firmly believe in a Just and Holy God, bad things happen in this world to even imperfect, God trusting, souls such as us. Its part of this life, world, and current existance.

As for the chip not helping in your above mentioned sitution. Who knows? If you found out a child was missing, a monster was in the vicinity, perhaps a quick alert of the tracking system could find a child before horrendous things unfolded. Perhaps not in all situations it'd be beneficial, surely in some it'd be negative; but I suppose it'd be a trying question for every parent to consider for their own children...

[scrappergirl]

felix,
totally agree w/ your post (184).

As far as chipping pets...I AM a responsible pet owner, and because I am, I chose to chip my dog in case she is stolen or ever gets lost somehow. We also have a radio fence and she no longer ever tries to leave the yard, but when seh was a little puppy before she was fully trained, she'd often BOLT if she got out the door, and i don't want to take the chance she'll find her way home. I'm not sure she's that smart. So as far as the comments about people who chip not being responsible pet owners, that's just over the top. Funny that wasn't said for people who wouuld chip their kids, though, huh?

As far as chipping a kid, I think it is a slippery slope and it also impedes on privacy, however, I would NEVEr say that someone who wanted their kid chipped is irresponsible or a bad parent. Obviously they are GOOD parents who are worried for the safety of their kids. I personally would not do it for the reasons I already stated, and that i agree with felix that it is a false sense of security. I know where my kids are at all times. That said...sometiems even when we know where they are and they SHOULD be safe will NOT stop some pervert from violating them in a place they should be safe (school, church, home, etc.)

odd ball,
the COMPANY that makes the chip knows my info, yes. THEY would contact me if someone got my dog and knew enough to go to a vet or shelter to scan her. The individual would not have access to that. As far as it being a privacy issue...since I don't plan on ever having to use the chip (God willing)that I paid to have implanted in her, I doubt that's going to be a problem. Besides, she is an animal, not one of my children. apples and oranges.

[mercycalling]

The main thing about it isn't that it is the Mark, cause it isn't, it is that it conditions people for it. As well as conditioning them in general for orwellian 24/7 surveillance societies. I just don't see how support for it can be considered in light of that knowledge. *shrug*

Consider the conditions on the Earth following the rapture.
Friends,neighbors,and loved ones gone,vanished...
Confusion,fear,and panic fill peoples hearts as they try to make sense of what happened,world leaders,politicians and scientists confused themselves but trying to calm and reassure those remaining that an answer will be found....
People will be very open and readily accepting of orwellian 24/7 surveillance,chips, marks,and/or any other scheme that leaders can come up with to calm and reassure them.
Absolute control over their lives by a central government or a trusting charismatic figure will probably sound very good to people at that point in time.
Right now the tecnnology to follow peoples movements,listen to their calls,control their buying and selling is either in place or being put in place and though people are leery of it now after the rapture they'll be more than ready for it..
Technological advances in a lot of cases have been very helpful to us all,but make no mistake this technology is ultimately going to be used for evil and as Christians it's our hope that we're counted worthy to escape it.

[JamesTKirksGirl]

Well Felix I hope someday you get the chance to put your words into action. You will find its not as easy as it might appear to those who have never had to take care of these Alzheimer's and dementia patients. Some people are not equipped to take it on. I spent 4 years taking care of my mother-in-law AND her brother who both had Alzheimers. They lived together for years and both went whacky at the same time, he worse then she. My husband and I moved out of our home and moved in with his mother in her house to take care of them. My husband is not a Christian , I am. I felt to honor my husband and the Lord it was the thing to do and that it would be a witness to my husband. My husband gave me the choice. I could have said no, but he wanted to take of his mom. I had to quit my job and take care of them. My husband worked at night so I was alone with them all night. My husbands uncle would get up and roam around at night, stand in the living room and pee on the floor. The argued with us all the time. We had to take the knobs off the stove so they would not burn the place down. We had to watch thier every move, every talk on the phone. My MIL put grape jelly on her catfish for dinner and catsup on her peach cobbler. They started a fire in teh fireplace and left the flume closed and filled the house with smoke, and when I ran out into the room and opened all the windows and doors they got upset and said there was no smoke. They just sat there, had I not been there there would have suffocated on that smoke. We had to diaper and bath them while they fought it. I could go on and on, what I'm saying here is just a small glimpse of what it was like. It put a lot of stress on our marriage and after it was all over I suffered from depression because of the constant stress. None of the other family members wanted to help, yet they ended up fighting over the money when they died. No one volunteered to stay with them a Sunday afternoon or evening so we could have some free time. We sacrificed a lot and much of it was taken for granted. I dealt with guilt because it was the worst time of my life, it was very difficult yet I felt it was my duty before the Lord to take care of them. You have no idea how hard it is unless you have been there. Some people cannot do it and should not be blamed because they can't. If I had it to do all over again, I would not.

[Betty]

I have told my kids that if I get where I am too hard to deal with and I can't take care of myself to put me in a home. I seen my mom destroy her body taking care of her loved ones. Even my mom finally put grandpa in a home when he became dangerous. My mom did not give up on him. She went to the home every day. Then when my aunt was put in a home my mom visited the home 7 days a week for 9 years. Before that she took care of her at home for 15 yrs. Until someone has taken care of someone is not able to take care of themselves, you have no idea what work is involved.

[zizi]

This is awful.

WHERE is teh family? It is FAMILY that should be caring for relatives that have this terrible disease. Oh, I forgot, Uncle Sam is willing to pick up the tab and family is busy chasing the dollar and this would put a crimp in their life.

Perhaps they are asleep. It's four in the morning. The patient, whom you love dearly (which is why you are caring for him or her in your home in the first place, and perhaps also for financial considerations) makes his/her way out of the bolted and chained front door (s/he has actionable ability but not cognitive).

Happens all the time.

After it happens a lot in the family home, after the family has had to call for police assistance to locate their beloved family member four, five, six times, that's when the sufferer is finally, heart-breakingly deemed by the family to require full-time nursing home care. The only other viable choice is to tie them down at night. Unless you are substantially wealthy, in which case you can afford 24/7 nursing care.

That's when you realize bed and board and care in a nursing home costs several thousands of dollars every month. And to get financial assistance, you've gotta use up all the patient's savings (the money they've been storing away diligently for family inheritance or burial costs) first.

You're lucky if it hasn't happened to you. Lots of boomers, as life expectancy has increased, are faced more and more with the harsh decisions regarding their elderly parents.

[Old 33]

WHERE is teh family? It is FAMILY that should be caring for relatives that have this terrible disease.

Even very diligent families are usually not with the altzheimer's patient 24/7...the point is that if the patient ends up in the Emergency Room, the patient's family might not always be there immediately when vital medical decisions are made...

[felixthecat]

Even very diligent families are usually not with the altzheimer's patient 24/7...the point is that if the patient ends up in the Emergency Room, the patient's family might not always be there immediately when vital medical decisions are made...

That's odd. We were. My Grandmother lived with my Mom and Dad. Yes, I know, it's nearly unspeakable to utter this but they did sacrafice their time to care for her. They didn't abandon her so she could end up in an emergency room. They had as many excuses as others to NOT take her in but they did it anyway. That's another problem with America, they are too SELF centered and expect the state to step in and solve their problems and ideally not at their expense.

[springfield]

They stayed up around the clock every day of the week and never left her in a room with a door unattended?

[Betty]

It must be nice to be able to stay awake 24/7. My mom on the other hand had to sleep occasionally. After so many years of taking care of loved ones, we insisted mom take care of herself. My mom killing herself would not have helped her loved ones.
betty

[Hope]

http://www.verichipcorp.com/news/1166030929

Here is a link to an article by the maker of the Chip ... VeriChip Corporation boasting that 1 in 3 hospitals are now microchipping infants.

I dunno no, but before it is all said and done, I just betcha "No will be able to buy or sell without it" I heard that the machine that holds all of the data is nicknamed the "Beast" but I can't remember who told me that so I can't verify that claim.

[springfield]

Just in case it's not clear, they're not chipping infants, they use the chips in hospital bracelets and such, so there's an alarm if an infant is taken out of a nursery by someone unauthorized, and to match up parents and children. The chips are not being placed in children.

[Nocheechako]

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

[Hope]

Thanks for clarifying that. I should have made my post a tad bit clearer.

[ginger]

I came across this when I was researching RFID chips. For the Amish, the government is in a sense controlling when they can go anywhere because they get there with there horses. I'm not amish, but this is just crazy. All this new government control with the REAL ID act, ect. This is just the beginning... I wonder when they will make us microchip our pets, then ourselves. I hope it doesn't get to that anytime soon, but it seems like all of these new acts (RFID, RealID) just came out of the blue without anyone really paying attention to the impact or the general public being informed of the impact on our lives and giving a chance to give input and discussion beforehand.

http://amishcommunity.blogspot.com/
RFID chipping of animals is a technology that is 'voluntary' on the national level, but state-by-state is mandatory. Few, or no, exemptions are being given to the Amish small farmers, nor to any small farmers, for any reason. However, penalties for non-compliance are so high that it will soon drive these farmers out of business.
About Amish Horses...

For the Amish, it is even worse. Rather than use motor vehicles for transportation, the Amish use horses. They use horses for their buggies, and they use draft horses for their farming. They borrow and lend their horses to their neighbors as need demands. States are requiring soon, however, that ALL livestock, including horses, be chipped with RFID.

Permits for Every Move

Permits are required by the states when animals are moved. The extent of the information required by these permits is, as yet, unclear. What is clear, however, is that the states expect that other animals that come into contact with the permitted animal be identified as well.

Equivalence for Us

This is as if the government were to require of us permits for every move we make with our cars. If we had to apply for a permit to go to the grocery, for example, and once there, document each and every other vehicle we came into contact with on the way, while we were there, and on the way back, you begin to see the challenge this poses for the Amish.
Further, if we had to apply for the permit days, weeks, or months in advance of the movement, and plan which vehicles we would be near to, you can see how bad this can get.

[ginger]

I'm not amish, but this is just crazy.

Obviously I'm using a computer....

[AllforHim]

that was funny Not funny about this chip and the poor Amish folk though. They do all they can to keep separate from the world, then the world comes in and takes over!

[bystillwaters]

Materialism is invading the souls of many.

[ginger]

And you get stiff penalties for non-compliance. People just trying live there lives simply and not bothering anyone - then this. With all the materialism and government getting there hands into everything now-a-days, I kinda admire the amish way of life. I don't want to convert or anything, just admire the simple lifestyle and how they are self sufficient. Now the government is even ruining that. When will it stop.

[ginger]

It looks like the government won't let the amish buy or sell without there permission, since they have to get permission to go to the store. I can see why the amish would think of this as the "mark of the beast".