Wondering about Catholics

[Mishkins]

I agree there is a beauty to the rituals of the Catholic Church. But they are not from God. ANY church that teaches there are more ways to Heaven than through accepting the salvation of Jesus Christ (ie' advocating prayers to Mary who they blasphemely call the "mother of God") is false teaching.
The church I grew up in was to me more beautiful in it's simplicity than all the ritualism and rote prayer of the RC church. But I am not saying RC's will not attain Heaven - if they have accepted salvation through Jesus Christ then as far as I'm concerned they are saved.

[HeIsEnough]

And HeIs, I thought about the two questions and I'm not sure how to answer. I don't normally use the Born again/Blood bought terminology so it's hard to word some things appropriately.

A million people could ask me a million times and if I choose to say nothing, that will not change who He is. I'll say that He is. I'll also say the Trinity is. If you believe I am to say anything but what is, as far as I know what is, then you are mistaken. In this respect I will be predictable and cohesive.

They are distinctly biblical wordings that I used. They come with the understanding behind them. I've actually seen people mock their use, yet that only proves they oppose themselves because the scriptures are clear about them. I think it is difficult to do, but many who come here from a catholic background eventually realize they weren't taught as well as they think they were in the catholic church. Let's put it this way, what is the meaning behind His shedding of blood, and a man will not see (the next) life unless he is born again. These things have direct bearing on your soul, so the fact that they are not clear in your mind should tell you something. While it may seem one way on this board, I can assure you that Buzz and the many posters here are well versed in where catholics go wrong in the application of theology, and you won't make an informed decision until you see both sides. Once you see both sides, there is no question in my mind you'll believe the same as we do because it is directly biblical, and is consistent.

[Buzzardhut]

I agree there is a beauty to the rituals of the Catholic Church. But they are not from God. ANY church that teaches there are more ways to Heaven than through accepting the salvation of Jesus Christ (ie' advocating prayers to Mary who they blasphemely call the "mother of God") is false teaching.

[Longing2cJesus]

I came out of Romanism because for my whole life I was never taught that Jesus Christ died for my sins, that it was all by faith, I didn't need to "do" anything to earn God's favor, and that I could enter into a personal relationship with Him.

The structure of the RCC is completely unnecessary. They teach half truths and outright lies. It's "beauty and effectiveness" are man made. Their Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible because their Jesus' death isn't enough to please God.

Denominational disagreements over B issues are common and nothing to divide over. But disagreements over sin and salvation, propitiation, and sanctification...that's where the rubber meets the road. That's why were are having this discussion. That's why there are many of us here who will stand on the Word of God, the Jesus of the Bible, and state that salvation is only by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We will not accept anything less. And we will certainly not accept anything from Rome!

[Buzzardhut]

Denominational disagreements over B issues are common and nothing to divide over. But disagreements over sin and salvation, propitiation, and sanctification...that's where the rubber meets the road.

Interesting...
We should make a list of
A issues:
B issues:
and
C issues:

[CecilHarvey]

you have a strange avatar there

I'ts hard for me to see. It's just the face of Jesus above and below isn't it? Is it appropriate for the board?

[ae123]

I agree with you about understanding then using the terminology I referred to. I don't understand all of it, and while I agree it has a direct baring on the condition of my soul, this tells me that I have something to learn. I have a lot to learn. I just hope I don't forget the important stuff when I need it most.

Insofar as your opinions/beliefs on Cathlolicism, I'm only a bit interested. I have a predisposition toward it I'm not willing to compromise. I will not disagree with things I see to be truthful, but generally speaking, I'm on the side of Cathlolicism. Call me ignorant, stubborn-whatever-but a lot of my friends and family are Catholic as well. They are good Heaven bound individuals. No discussion there.

[Buzzardhut]

I'ts hard for me to see. It's just the face of Jesus above and below isn't it? Is it appropriate for the board?

it's some strange floating head over the water, since we really don't know what Jesus actually looked like it could be Barry Gibb

[CecilHarvey]

it's some strange floating head over the water, since we really don't know what Jesus actually looked like it could be Barry Gibb

This is why I assume it can't be idolatry.

[Buzzardhut]

Insofar as your opinions/beliefs on Cathlolicism, I'm only a bit interested. I have a predisposition toward it I'm not willing to compromise. I will not disagree with things I see to be truthful, but generally speaking, I'm on the side of Cathlolicism. Call me ignorant, stubborn-whatever-but a lot of my friends and family are Catholic as well. They are good Heaven bound individuals. No discussion there.

family religions are intentionally designed to entrap souls forever

[ae123]

Jesus was/is God and Mary birthed Him. That makes Mary the mother of God.

As for beauty in different types of things, that is just my opinion or yours. I like both Catholic and various non-Catholic services, and for different reasons.

[CecilHarvey]

family religions are intentionally designed to entrap souls forever

They are good Heaven bound individuals. No discussion there.

ae123, Good people don't go to Heaven, those who Jesus bought do. You need to directly accept Jesus as your stand in execution for the sins you have, and that's how you can tell you are Heaven bound.

[ae123]

Did you "merge" my posts? Thank you. I wouldn't have known how.

[CecilHarvey]

Did you "merge" my posts? Thank you. I wouldn't have known how.

So ae123, do you accept Jesus as your sacrifice on the Cross, by confessing that he died for your sins?

[His Bride]

Jesus was/is God and Mary birthed Him. That makes Mary the mother of God.

As for beauty in different types of things, that is just my opinion or yours. I like both Catholic and various non-Catholic services, and for different reasons.

To be specific, it makes Mary the mother of Jesus, yes, the second person of the Trinity. But to elevate her status is not something she would want. She would encourage all to lift up her son, not her!

[Buzzardhut]

Jesus was/is God and Mary birthed Him. That makes Mary the mother of God.

As for beauty in different types of things, that is just my opinion or yours. I like both Catholic and various non-Catholic services, and for different reasons.

Mary gave birth to Jesus - God in the flesh, to be the mother of the earthly Jesus,
its complicated, but Mary is not the eternal mother of the God of the universe, God created Mary, Mary did not create Jesus, she provided the egg and delivered Him and raised Him but that's it

you are thinking more of the Myths of the goddess Diana and Venus.

we do not worship pagan deities here, that will revoke your posting status

my my how we forget posts so quickly




Mary Crying

The Gospel for Catholics

Catholicism Defined

Catholicism Revealed

What Every Catholic Should Know

Understanding Roman Catholicism

Dangers within Roman Catholicism

The Sacraments

Modern Catholicism

Sun Worship

Sun Blinded

Sharing Jesus with Catholics

[His Bride]

Mary gave birth to Jesus - God in the flesh, to be the mother of the earthly Jesus,
its complicated, but Mary is not the eternal mother of the God of the universe, God created Mary, Mary did not create Jesus, she provided the egg and delivered Him and raised Him but that's it

you are thinking more of the Myths of the goddess Diana and Venus.

we do not worship pagan deities here, that will revoke your posting status

Thanks Buzz!

[icebear]

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

[CecilHarvey]

Mary gave birth to Jesus - God in the flesh, to be the mother of the earthly Jesus,
its complicated, but Mary is not the eternal mother of the God of the universe, God created Mary, Mary did not create Jesus, she provided the egg and delivered Him and raised Him but that's it

Well, where I draw the line is Marian worship, and calling Mary the Queen of Heaven and the Gate of Heaven. . . She isn't those things although I would definitely call her the Mother of Christ. . . In that way you could call her the Mother of God, since Jesus is the Anointed One.

I don't accept Mary as the Mother of the Father though.

[Buzzardhut]

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

If only the religious would hear the whole word of God and keep it