Christian Wiccan Epidemic

[CecilHarvey]

I'm curious as to why more and more people consider it possible to be a white witch and a Christian at the same time.

[FrankBeMe]

I could never figure that out either. People are searching, they know something is missing but they don't want the responsibilities involved in being Christian, things like absolute truth and sin. Wicca solves that...you do whatever you want as long as you don't harm anyone else. What's right for someone might not be what is right for you and vice-versa.

I've heard of people trying to practice a combination of wicca and Christianity, but never met any who tried. It's impossible to do since they're completely incompatible...I'm not certain, but maybe they see that as some sort of justification to practice something most people think is wacky and weird..which it is, but there's so much more to it than being wacky...it's evil.

[CecilHarvey]

Yeah, sad but true. It's so evil, and the worse thing is, I think that White Witches are sincerely "good" people.

They don't necessarily know that they are on the Devil's side.

[Nightelf]

When Christian churches are exploring things like mysticism, experiences, dreams, contemplative prayer, labyrinths, etc. etc. etc. they are already dabbling in the dark side, whether they realise it or not. It's not such a stretch then, to believe that you can have "powers" (like a "good" witch) and still be a Christian.

The pastor of the emergent church I had been attending till recently, was putting a lot of faith in people's dreams to "confirm his message". That's mysticism right there.

[His Bride]

When Christian churches are exploring things like mysticism, experiences, dreams, contemplative prayer, labyrinths, etc. etc. etc. they are already dabbling in the dark side, whether they realise it or not. It's not such a stretch then, to believe that you can have "powers" (like a "good" witch) and still be a Christian.

The pastor of the emergent church I had been attending till recently, was putting a lot of faith in people's dreams to "confirm his message". That's mysticism right there.

Christianity is exclusive. Those who are suggesting such nonsense need to examine the state of their hearts in the light of the Word of God.

[billiefan2000]

christian wiccan = oxymoron

[Anddra]

Those Christians who practice Wicca are likely Christians in name only. With all the mysticism being taught by certain emergent 'Christians' today, it is not surprising that people are being lead further into the occult. Scripture tells us that it is not possible to serve both...

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Matthew 6:24 (KJV)

[billiefan2000]

Those Christians who practice Wicca are likely Christians in name only.

With all the mysticism being taught by certain emergent 'Christians' today, it is not surprising that people are being lead further into the occult.

Scripture tells us that it is not possible to serve both...

you are so right on all counts

[Leigh1917]

christian wiccan = oxymoron

That's exactly what I was thinking

[His Bride]

Those Christians who practice Wicca are likely Christians in name only. With all the mysticism being taught by certain emergent 'Christians' today, it is not surprising that people are being lead further into the occult. Scripture tells us that it is not possible to serve both...

[Batman]

To me it's b/c they are not properly grounded and mature in the Word of God and are still embracing worldly desires. And it's not just "Christians" that remain involved in false religions; there's beer, weed, cursing, tattoos, sexual immorality/porn, piercings, inappropriate music/movies/tv, and a multitude of other things being accepted and practiced.

[saved by Grace]

christian wiccan = oxymoron

yeah,kinda like saying "Christian-Pagan"

[Teotwawki]

I'm curious as to why more and more people consider it possible to be a white witch and a Christian at the same time.

It's what happens when Christian parents let their kids read Harry Potter and say it's just innocent and harmless. Then they wonder why they grow up to embrace the occult.

[SPYDYR]

It's what happens when Christian parents let their kids read Harry Potter and say it's just innocent and harmless. Then they wonder why they grow up to embrace the occult.

And...

T*witches
Sabrina The teenaged witch
Wizards of Waverly Place

Not to mention any number of anime and cartoons on cartoon network as well.

Lets face it theres more occult kid shows in the last 10 years than in the last 20.

[Pendragon]

I'm curious as to why more and more people consider it possible to be a white witch and a Christian at the same time.

Confession time here When I was in my late teens I met this gal whom I dated her mother and sister were "White Witches" her sister was dating a man who had practiced satanic worship as well... Prior to dating this gal I had been one of the popular guys but as i become more involved with her only my best friend was around with me.. Mind you My falling away had happened in the death of several family memebers... They tried to teach me to meditate in contacting the council of 24... They dabbled with the Tarot cards and such candles and the colors and differnt spells were involved.. As it was concerning the sisters boyfriend he believed he was fighting his own demon and asked us to help remove it... Big mistake as i had gotten into something I had no idea as they really had no Idea... They used a witch board trying to contact the spirit which I found very quickly what could happen.. In doing so with no hand or fingers the little pointer moved itself around..It moved so fast that all of a sudden the pointer and board flipped in the air and all the candles lit blew out... The biggest thing I remember was when I hit the lights and nthe heavy crushing pressure on my chest.. When I looked into the eyes of the Boyfriend and my best friend they were empty hollow and dark is the best way i can explain it... The women, Mother my girlfriend at the time and her sister, were visibly shaken and said there was alot of work to do to each other.. The mother looked at me and said they could take me but they were trying My best friend and the other guy who were just on the evil side by that point... But the main thing I remember was just this crushing feeling on my chest.. it didn't go away even when I left the house.. I was terrified to sleep and even more so to be alone in a room with the guys... The women I mentioned kept trying tom exercise the demons out but every time It was lights going out a window slamming and the crush... I finally said i cannot do this anymore I went to the pastor whom had batizied me orginally and told him what was going on... He was so taken back and just the look in his eyes was terrifying to me as he said I am not even sure what to do.. He told me I had to leave the church right then and he would contact me.. I begged him to let me stay but he still made me leave... He called me 2 days later and for almost 5 days I had, had no sleep except maybe 4 hours.. The cruching feelin was enourmous and the constant fear extreme.. He brought me into a pray group outside the church and they taught me the right way to deal with it in calling on christ to drive it away and not on me trying.. I finally began to feel it lift away from me and the terror gave way to deep respect and healthy fear not to allow it to happen again.. As for my best firend and the other guy they become best friends I guess to say both ended up in jail and the sisters boyfirend ended up being involved with another man involved in serial killings dumping the women in the Missouri river..it has been almost 25 yrs since it happened but knowing how it started is the testimony.. I believed in christ and dealt with the gifts of the spirit which in some ways I felt was a curse..I did not understand the Holy spirit all together nor the gifts and hence the curiousity to what more there was concerning christianity and trying to understand. It started out innocent enough I didn't know about anything concerning the enemy no one had taught me. hence the key was if there is no teaching from the leaders in the church even they didn't know for sure.. My advice is this the teenagers are one of the biggest ones at risk they feel they can take on anything and do so by themselves at least that was me.. they get together with others and someone introduces it.. Some time after that I still dealt with residual things I was brought face to face with a black witch and when I tried to leave that situation and refused this person to ride with us in my car within hours was in a single car wreck that sent my car over a guardrail.. It was not like I was not paying attention but out of nowhere the wheel pulled and over we went... I had a couple of friends with me.. Again i knew at that time what I was dealing and why it happened.. I had even more of a backslide as in my questioning why it had happened and why G-d allowed it even when I steered clear of it.. I found out years later after many sinful things and anchors holding me back it was not G-d allowing it it was me because I had opened that door... Meany times in threads you see me speaking about the enemy and my hatred to the evil it represents this is the reasons why... it comes down to teaching the kids early on about opening the door to evil and however strong or weak the enemy is it still looks to oppress and consume..that means they need to know not to open these doors through witchboards tarot and just evil music.. In my time it was the Motely crue stuff but now they have even worse and music with underpinnings concerning the enemy...Have the the leaders know and learn how to deal with this and identify it have the leaders in your churches know how it all happens and works so they can then deal with and teach all the church about nhow it works.. SAadly I iknow there are not many churches that address these things.. You will never hear joel Olsteen or any others address it but again sadly it is there and we cannot expect angels to bless us and ignore the enemy whom wants to take the blessings away and oppress.. Evil is just that and it is fighting anything good.. Anyway I needed to share that as it was something real and directly involved with the thread but it is something that we can't just go hmmm tsk tsk what a shame and go to the next thread it is something real in the world and happeing more then anyone knows or wants to know..find out what these kids are doing when they go out and hang out or have sleepovers...that is how it all started just hanging out.. Innocent enough.

[Pendragon]

Christianity is exclusive. Those who are suggesting such nonsense need to examine the state of their hearts in the light of the Word of God.

By no means do i disagree but the problem is not just being exlusive it is not being taught. It is christians wanting and trying to find the deeper or closer understanding it happens in people looking for answers and not having the support of the church.. It happens every week at church. that one person who is reserved or quiet and sitting alone maybe they are a visitor but they need someone anyone to reach out and be a friend and most of all really listen to them.. they may have found christ and are going through some terrible thing that happened in their life or maybe have never found christ but are dealing with the enemy even directly if not indirectly.. look for them in the pews they can be in the front or the back just make sure you have the Eph 6 effect going on. Put on the whole armor and if need be go in pairs.

[chrisb01]

Pendragon, you are right. There is a lot of that going on. And there are a lot of Christians saying "if I don't bother the devil, he won't bother me". Guess what? If he's not bothering you, something is wrong. And a lot of pastors are trying to stay away from this subject. I was a marine, and we spent a lot of time studying the enemy, how they operate, their weapons, their habits and so on. It's no different with us Christians. The Bible is the best book for this, it teaches about the old serpent and how to combat evil spirits. There is a lot on spiritual warfare in the Bible. Put on the armor of God. For we fight not against flesh and blood, but against evil spirits, against principalities in the air. Watch and pray. Watch for what? For the snares of the enemy. Know your enemy. God has given us power over all the power of the enemy, but we must know how to use it. What good is it having a gun if you don't know how to shoot.

I recommend Hal Lindsey's book "Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth", you can still find it in Amazon.com and ebay.

I have it, and I look it over once in a while. Hal Lindsey wrote this book in the early seventies, and it still reads like today's headlines.

I'm closing, I talk too much, but I have to say this story.

We had a revival campaign in a church I used to go to. A man, member of the church was looking kind of ragged and confused for a couple of days. Finally one night after the service, he came over to the preacher.
The preacher asked "What is wrong brother? You look a little rattled."
He said "Pastor, you won't believe it; but I went to a fortune teller. And she told me the day and time I'm going to die"
The preacher said "Brother if you keep believing that, you are going to die way before that fortune teller told you".
He said "Pastor, I did not believe it. But I went to four other fortune tellers, and they all told me the same day and time"
The Pastor laid hands on this man and he passed right out. However, when he came to, he was shining like a Christmas tree. From then on every time he had a chance, he would tell the story of what had happened to him. The day and time that he was told by the fortune tellers that he would die passed and he didn't even noticed.

[TwinklingOfanEye]

Pendragon...your story, that's scary...

[Pendragon]

Pendragon...your story, that's scary...

Yes it was I lived it personally.. If an open window were just to shut for the point of it being on a loose track one thing but in the context of what was going on and the candles going out before as well as watching this whole board flip up in the air I know I was playing with fire... as the bible even states about keeping your house clean if an evil spirit is kicked out it will do what it can to coome back and bring others.. I ecperienced that for a long time..The glory goes to G-d though as in this I can teach 1 and actually identify and battle it in disernment correctly 2.. I am not afraid in the sense of it will get me it is more like a healthy respect of a bear in the wild.. I can see it know it is there and know how to handle giving it the proper path and remain on the path I am going... You don't run from a bear it knows you are scared and will chase you you cannot apease the Bear either throwing it someother food source to get away if you see it you make an attempt to back away..but running away is not the option..Screaming in unbridled terror is not an option you deal with the situation carefully and thoughtfully but in this case There is always a bigger one to fight with you and the odds are greatly changed as long as G-d is involved..He is the one that fights and does so through you if he so needs as along as you are equiped to do so... I don't look to find the enemy but I do see it when it rears it's ugly head. My point is this in what I am saying bottom line is that as christians even some very mature christians they are still in many cases if not most cases prepared to do actual spiritual battle...Sometimes Spiritual battle the enemy uses in anger,the temptation of gossip,even a selfish heart in pride or greed. We see it everyday the homeless on the street do we look the other way in disgust? again that is part of the enemies tool.. It is so abvious but yet so many are blind to it.. Just because you have doesn't mean you can't give and in giving it can be a smile or kind word it doesn't have to be cash or even a MCdonbalds gift certificate which I keep with me for those occassions sometimes just a kind word is what it takes. But the enemy robs us from that by us seeing we have and someone else may want what we have.. so turn look the other way give a look of disdain so they know you have no plans..The enemy can be as subtle as that or feed off fear...Again I cannot express enough that many times the enemy is very subtle but in other times quite active and in the case I described was even called out to the open by name, again something you don't do without being prepared to battle it..talk to your pastors know what to look for and if they have not learned tell them we all need to be ready...The enemy will not wait till you have your pants on and a gun in your hand to do battle when it shows up the less prepared you are they easier it is to play and attack..and for those unsaved take over

[Trance]

I'm curious as to why more and more people consider it possible to be a white witch and a Christian at the same time.

One of my friends classified herself as a Pagan and Christian. Basically they 'borrow' elements of different religions to create a religion (and a god) that suits and caters to their wants and desires, rather than trying to suit the requirements of The Lord.