Copenhagen Treaty

[cheymat]

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....hagen-2009.pdf

This is through

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....le/owg/owg.htm

[Butterflies]

Can anyone explain how this treaty will affect us? I just don't quite get it

[andy1986]

no wonder rubbish like this gets signed.. all thats needed is a brief outline.. what you get is a 181 mass of buzzwords and poncey language.

[Pendragon]

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....hagen-2009.pdf

This is through

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....le/owg/owg.htm

this one stands out

Page 12

Alternative 3
The shared vision is to establish a global approach to addressing climate change through enhancing
action by all countries to mitigate emissions of greenhouse gases and to provide adequate support for
vulnerable countries to the impacts of climate change. Actions taken shall play a significant role inensuring that global greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere must be stabilized as far below 350
parts per million of carbon dioxide equivalent as possible, with temperature increases limited to as far
below 1.5 degrees celsius above pre-industrial levels as possible. Action taken shall be a major
contribution towards moving to a low greenhouse gas emission society that is compatible with
sustainable development objectives and consistent with the principle of common but differentiated
responsibilities and respective capabilities. The right to survival of all nations is a paramount objective.

That in itself offers Our resouces without offer but by requirment to countries who may have a hurricane or earthquake or other disastors that can be lumped into the effects due to climate change.. that said if the USA this moment said gee terrible thing here is 10 tons of grain yet in our grain bins we have 200 tons for our own reserve they can say no 10 tons is not enough we need you to give 100 or 150 tones meaning we have no choice in making that descion the cost to us is a higher price in food which falls in line to the commodites hyperinflation in price... If our supply reduced in wheat by 50 to 75% we can then epect a loaf of bread to rise in price permantly in a matter of 3% but with a chance of it jumping 100% at least in temorary.. so if you pay 2dallors for a loaf of bread you may pay 4 or 5 dollars wihtout say in the matter for the same loaf if say India suffered a hurricane. the same would go for corn and corn products..as well as any other items they deem as required under human rights for any length of time they choose... that point is left wide open as the key word being the effects only not long term or short term just the effects.. To put it another way if low lying areas like NO Katrina were not moved back from coasts they are vulnerable to hurricanes so they should be supplied when it happens..and if they want to move the cites from the coast which we know many coastal communities rely on those point of trade and commerce we would fill the gap in lost income to them... so either way we as the most developed country would be on the hook in funding and implementing that paying their people a wage to move away and then supplementing their income for what they loose in being moved or if they were to stay on the coast and have a hurricane we would be the ones on the hook based on what the Global Community says we should give and this agreement would be a global agreement so there would be auditors from all over the world determining what supplies we have and where they are in the pipline..

[andy1986]

all the same.. pray it gets signed cos we can go home sooner.

[Pendragon]

Can anyone explain how this treaty will affect us? I just don't quite get it

Working on it there is alot of having to reference back and forth but yes working it may take time so I will add as I work and drill down. I would also ask anyone else please contribute and look over my findings as well and give what you see or do not see as scenerios

[Pendragon]

page 13

23. [Recalling Article 3, paragraphs 1 and 5, and Article 4, paragraphs 3 and 7 of the Convention,
developed country Parties shall not resort to any form of unilateral measures, including countervailing
border measures, against goods and services imported from developing countries on the grounds of
protection and stabilization of climate.]Enhanced action on adaptation, mitigation, technology and financing

Self explainitory and key in the actions of a country ACTING on ITS OWN TO ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW border control in allowing or not allowing our goods and services to be tarriffed or embargoed to countries like IRAN and N Korea.. means no sanctoon on our own meaning the embargoe and trade with Cuba would be lifted by the USA because of this part alone..Castro can say we are not getting our fair share from the USA and the Global Community can say USA you must give them their due in the amounts of set forth what ever the good or service is...including money technology and any other equipement we may have they need in the service of implementing their golbal warming reductions.. How much alone does that cost and not being able to choose is the questions

[Butterflies]

Thanks ...ok im starting to catch on! Wow!

[4everSaved]

I did see this subject on Hal Lindsey last night, but I still dont think I understand how it leads to the one world gov.

[carol1948]

Lord Monckton(sp?) addressed this in a video, but I don't still have the link. It was interesting and depressing. I recall he said he had read the treaty and he said he was quoting when he read "government", "wealth" and "enforcement". I see this type of treaty expanding by leaps and bounds very quickly.
Does anyone know if Israel is scheduled to attend this meeting in Copenhagan too, and if yes, is Israel expected to sign the treaty.?

[Butterflies]

Lord Monckton(sp?) addressed this in a video, but I don't still have the link. It was interesting and depressing. I recall he said he had read the treaty and he said he was quoting when he read "government", "wealth" and "enforcement". I see this type of treaty expanding by leaps and bounds very quickly.
Does anyone know if Israel is scheduled to attend this meeting in Copenhagan too, and if yes, is Israel expected to sign the treaty.?

OOH thats a good question!

[tkhouk]

Yes, the 100,000 foot view of this is that under the ruse of global warming, this treaty will ensure that the major governments must form a one-world government to combat this… oh and to pay poorer countries reparations for the industrialized nations polluting the earth (read: more taxes). Gordon Brown made a speech a few days ago where he said that “we have only 50 days to save the world”. Nations will think they need to act and sign the UN Copenhagen treaty to save the world, when in fact it will be a tool the antichrist will use when he comes to power.

Also remember, several months ago the G20 decided on a one-world currency that is just waiting in the wings to be implemented. And just recently the Catholic Church decided to allow Anglican Church in under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church; as long as they abide by their policies and the Pope.

So now we have all of the three pieces of the puzzle being worked on as quickly as possible for the antichrist to use (the one world religion, currency and government). And all of this has happened within a few months.

[Pendragon]

while on face if it were to be signed and ratified it is still in draft and the final version has not been released

[queengina66]

Can anyone explain how this treaty will affect us? I just don't quite get it

Here's your awnser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQvhdCyhe4&NR=1

[Old Bullrider]

This on page 5 of the http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....hagen-2009.pdf

Option 1: As a COP decision;
Option 2: As part of the COP decision that adopts an implementing agreement;

PP.1 Recalling the Bali Action Plan adopted by decision 1/CP.13 of the Conference of the Parties
to the Convention at its thirteenth session, and the need for long-term cooperative action among all
Parties to enable the full and sustained implementation of the Convention now, up to and beyond 2012, in
order to achieve its ultimate objective.

Actually this is an incorrect statement as to the name of the conference, it should be Conference of the Pirates. Because what they are intending to do with the passage of this is to take money from wealthier nations and give it to poorer undeveloped countries, but do you really believe that this so called body is going to part with any of the collected moneys? Need I say more?

[twisty58]

Yes, the 100,000 foot view of this is that under the ruse of global warming, this treaty will ensure that the major governments must form a one-world government to combat this… oh and to pay poorer countries reparations for the industrialized nations polluting the earth (read: more taxes). Gordon Brown made a speech a few days ago where he said that “we have only 50 days to save the world”. Nations will think they need to act and sign the UN Copenhagen treaty to save the world, when in fact it will be a tool the antichrist will use when he comes to power.

Also remember, several months ago the G20 decided on a one-world currency that is just waiting in the wings to be implemented. And just recently the Catholic Church decided to allow Anglican Church in under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church; as long as they abide by their policies and the Pope.

So now we have all of the three pieces of the puzzle being worked on as quickly as possible for the antichrist to use (the one world religion, currency and government). And all of this has happened within a few months.

Yes. I was thinking the same thing.

[Hope in Him]

Can any of you please explain how this is linked to Agenda 21? I thought that the Copenhagen Treaty was going to be a global acceptance/signing of Agenda 21? Did I miss understand something?

[BlessedAssurance]

EU leaders debate climate aid to poor at summit


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...c9DPwD9BKSJN01

BRUSSELS — European Union nations struggled Thursday to decide how much climate aid to offer poor nations, with Hungary and Poland demanding that richer EU states pay a larger share of the costs of enticing more governments to sign a new global climate change pact.
Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt — who is chairing a two-day EU summit in Brussels — said the bloc's credibility was on the line, and failure to make a clear financial offer could jeopardize the U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen in December.

The European Commission suggests EU nations offer up to euro15 billion a year, while aid and environmental groups say Europe should be paying euro35 billion yearly by 2020.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown suggested Europe be prepared to pay up to euro40 billion, though it was unclear if that also included profits from trading carbon credits and bank loans.
"Unless we have a program for financing the action we're taking against climate change, then we will not get an agreement at Copenhagen," Brown said.

The EU leaders planned to hold their first debate on who should fill the new posts. Politicians are lobbying behind the scenes over presidential candidates, with the front-runners including former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Luxembourg Premier Jean-Claude Juncker and former Irish President Mary Robinson.
Brown made his case Thursday for Blair's candidacy, while other EU leaders, including Spain's Jose Luis Zapatero, were less eager to endorse him.
Powers and tasks of the new EU leader have yet to be defined, and agreeing to a name is linked to negotiations on filling the other open jobs of foreign policy chief and 25 commissioners.

Maybe the Copenhagen treaty will be pushed off. We need to watch these meetings over the next couple weeks. HUGE events brewing in Europe.

[BlessedAssurance]

Even MORE info:
Cautious optimism on eve of Copenhagen
Top News
Written by Imelda V. Abaño / Correspondent
THURSDAY, 29 OCTOBER 2009 22:48

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/to...openhagen.html

NEW YORK—With roughly a month until the Copenhagen climate negotiations commence, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday said he is optimistic world leaders will reach an ambitious agreement despite stalemate over carbon-emission cuts, with the developed countries failing to deliver on issues like setting concrete targets for reduction.

The meeting has been billed as a last chance to avoid the impact of global warming.

Despite the gridlock at the last round of climate-change negotiations held in Bangkok earlier this month, Ban had said  that “the elements of a deal are on the table.”

“We need to step back from narrow national interest and engage in frank and constructive discussion in a spirit of global common cause,” the UN chief stressed.

Again, we have the urgency issue here. Very interesting how many meetings are going on. You'd think all those jet emissions would be bad for the env't.

[Julian4JC]

"Unless we have a program for financing the action we're taking against climate change, then we will not get an agreement at Copenhagen," Brown said.

I do not believe this will be an issue for too long, i am sure they'll just find a way to tax the world. They tax us for everything else. Look at the Obamacare their trying to push.