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    Quote Originally Posted by LightOfMyLife View Post
    How do you feel about Hal Lindsey & Jack Van Impe?
    They both sometimes say a little too much
    they are not really Bible teachers as Rogers and McGee
    they are more like prophesy commentators



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    How about Charles Stanley from Atlanta, Georgia?

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    This is as a shock to me!
    So I just visited his website and he still sounds like a pre-tribber.
    Would you be so kind as to tell me your source where Grant Jeffery
    changed from pre-trib to partial preterist were you thinking about
    Hank Hanegraaff ( the Bible answer man)?


    "Hal Lindsey sometimes says a little too much"
    Buzzardhut, what did you mean by this statement? Are you saying he makes
    statements which are not in the Bible?

    I think, this will satisfy my curious bone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary View Post
    This is as a shock to me!
    So I just visited his website and he still sounds like a pre-tribber.
    Would you be so kind as to tell me your source where Grant Jeffery
    changed from pre-trib to partial preterist were you thinking about
    Hank Hanegraaff ( the Bible answer man)?


    "Hal Lindsey sometimes says a little too much"
    Buzzardhut, what did you mean by this statement? Are you saying he makes
    statements which are not in the Bible?

    I think, this will satisfy my curious bone...
    I can just find date setting on Grant Jeffrey

    prophesy commentators can get carried away by saying "this is it!"



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    When I first was born again, I read most of Hal Lindsey's books. Although, they're okay for newbies to cut their prophetic teeth on, I later realized that some of his "facts" are quite a bit off. I haven't read any of his recent work, though.
    R C Sproul- I like his radio program, but would differ with him on eschatology.
    John Walvoord- Very good prophecy teacher
    David Hocking
    John MacArthur- good radio program, his book Truth Wars is a very timely work, exposing the apostasy associated with the emergent movement. His theological views are most congruent to mine as a whole as far as I can tell
    Charles H. Spurgeon- Probably the greatest preacher in the last 300 years.
    Jonathan Edwards
    Charles Stanley
    David Jeremiah
    J. Vernon McGee- He cracks me up the way he said that "Solomon was a sissy if there was a sissy"! I'm not saying I agree with him, it's just funny hearing him say it!
    I used to like Spiros Zodhiates, but he stopped being active in the 90's. I still have his Hebrew-Greek keyword study Bible.
    There are probably a few more, that I can't think of off-hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Solus View Post
    When I first was born again, I read most of Hal Lindsey's books. Although, they're okay for newbies to cut their prophetic teeth on, I later realized that some of his "facts" are quite a bit off. I haven't read any of his recent work, though.
    R C Sproul- I like his radio program, but would differ with him on eschatology.
    Sproul is obnoxious to me, but that is not a reason to avoid him.

    He is RCC friendly, which is a major concern. He blends his brand of reformed doctrine and calvinism into every other message. It rises to the point of he should be avoided. Too much to cipher through, even for someone who knows theology, but not good at all to build a foundation from for a new believer, and that is a problem.

    Don't recommend him on this board.
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    Okay, I need some help here.

    I have gone to an Assemblies church for many years. Tommy Barnett is the pastor. I don't think I've seen him on any of the lists.

    I have attended many different churches here in Arizona. He does an alter call almost 98% of the time, whether it is 5 minutes into the service or halfway, or at the end.

    Someone help me here. As I have seen TD Jakes, Joyce Meyers, and many others at his church.

    My head is spinning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_his_stead View Post
    Okay, I need some help here.

    I have gone to an Assemblies church for many years. Tommy Barnett is the pastor. I don't think I've seen him on any of the lists.

    I have attended many different churches here in Arizona. He does an alter call almost 98% of the time, whether it is 5 minutes into the service or halfway, or at the end.

    Someone help me here. As I have seen TD Jakes, Joyce Meyers, and many others at his church.

    My head is spinning.

    Carrie



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    What about Beth Moore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by peaceseeker View Post
    What about Francis Chan? Anyone heard of him?
    Yeah, I would like to know more about him. I've heard a couple of his sermons and they were really good.

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    Why is R W Schambach on the bad list?

    And it sure looks like the list of good Bible Teachers is quite short!

    Hal Lindsey and Jimmy De Young, whom I regularly listen to, tend to be more prophecy focussed commentators, than Bible teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubob View Post
    So whats up with Jessie Duplantis, i love listening to him preach and so far haven't heard anything wrong.
    If you think that, you probably haven't seen this--



    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Solus View Post
    When I first was born again, I read most of Hal Lindsey's books. Although, they're okay for newbies to cut their prophetic teeth on, I later realized that some of his "facts" are quite a bit off. I haven't read any of his recent work, though.
    R C Sproul- I like his radio program, but would differ with him on eschatology.
    John Walvoord- Very good prophecy teacher
    David Hocking
    John MacArthur- good radio program, his book Truth Wars is a very timely work, exposing the apostasy associated with the emergent movement. His theological views are most congruent to mine as a whole as far as I can tell
    Charles H. Spurgeon- Probably the greatest preacher in the last 300 years.
    Jonathan Edwards
    Charles Stanley
    David Jeremiah
    J. Vernon McGee- He cracks me up the way he said that "Solomon was a sissy if there was a sissy"! I'm not saying I agree with him, it's just funny hearing him say it!
    I used to like Spiros Zodhiates, but he stopped being active in the 90's. I still have his Hebrew-Greek keyword study Bible.
    There are probably a few more, that I can't think of off-hand.
    MacArthur's book Truth War is what influenced me to study apologetics.
    Jonathan Edwards--read The Sinner in the Hand of an Angry God. If any sermon would get you to ask for salvation, it is that one!
    David Jeremiah--I listen to him everyday.
    I've heard Chuck Swindol a few times, he's on right before Jeremiah on our Christian talk radio station.
    Hal Lindsey--watch him every week.


    Ed Young--I've never watched or listened to him but I hear him mentioned quite a bit...what's the problem with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumSam View Post
    Why is R W Schambach on the bad list?
    He is there for the same reason hinn, copeland and all the other TBN prosperity preachers are. He shares the same doctrine as all the speak things into existence, forget about God's sovereignty, stuff that the rest in that circle do.

    Quote Originally Posted by SumSam View Post
    And it sure looks like the list of good Bible Teachers is quite short!
    That's tragic, isn't it? So hard to find those among us who will teach the Word of God as it is intended. Last days to be sure.
    There is One King, and He is not this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankBeMe View Post
    Ed Young--I've never watched or listened to him but I hear him mentioned quite a bit...what's the problem with him?
    As someone pointed out here, Ed Young Jr. is Joel Osteen's twin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twisty58 View Post
    What about Beth Moore?
    Beth Moore has been getting into Contemplative Prayer.

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    Why We Say Beth Moore is a Contemplative Advocate

    Advocate: one that defends or maintains a cause (Webster's Dictionary)

    In our recent article, "Rick Warren Points Network Followers to the Contemplative 'Sabbath'", we state that Beth Moore is a "contemplative advocate." Some people have a hard time with this statement. Why do we say she is advocating contemplative spirituality? Below is our explanation:

    The Be Still DVD by Fox Home Entertainment was released in April 2007. Featured speakers included Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Max Lucado, Beth Moore and many others. There is no indication on the DVD that Beth Moore is against contemplative prayer (the subject of the DVD), and in fact when we spoke with her assistant shortly after the release of the DVD, she told us that Beth Moore did not have a problem with Richard Foster or Dallas Willard's teachings or contemplative spirituality.

    Furthermore, a statement was issued by Living Proof Ministries (see statement) that clarified: "[W]e believe that once you view the Be Still video you will agree that there is no problem with its expression of Truth." Living Proof is offering to send a free copy of the DVD to anyone who receives their email statement and wishes to view the DVD, saying that, "[I]t would be our privilege to do this for you to assure you that there is no problem with Beth's participation in the Be Still video."

    First a look at the DVD: In the Be Still DVD, countless enticements, references and comments clearly show its affinity with contemplative spirituality. For instance, Richard Foster says that anyone can practice contemplative prayer and become a "portable sanctuary" for God. This panentheistic view of God is very typical for contemplatives. As Ray Yungen points out, those who practice contemplative prayer begin to view God through panentheistic (God in all) and interspiritual (all is united) eyes. Thomas Merton, whom Foster has admired publicly for many years, believed that all human beings have divinity within, and this divinity can be reached through contemplative prayer, thereby making the Cross of Jesus unnecessary for union with God.

    The underlying theme of the Be Still DVD is that we cannot truly know God or be intimate with Him without contemplative prayer and the state of silence that it produces. While the DVD is vague and lacking in actual instruction on word or phrase repetition (which lies at the heart of contemplative prayer), it is very misleading. What they don't tell you in the DVD is that this state of stillness or silence is, for the most part, achieved through some method such as mantra-like meditation. The purpose of the DVD, in essence, is not to instruct you in contemplative prayer but rather to make you and your family hungry for it. The DVD even promises that practicing the silence will heal your family problems. We hope you will take some time to study the research we have been providing on the Be Still DVD. We are confident that if you take a careful look at what this DVD is promoting you will come to the same conclusion that we have, that this project is an infomercial for contemplative practice, and because of the huge advertising campaign that Fox Home Entertainment has launched, contemplative prayer could be potentially introduced into millions of homes around the world.

    The question must be asked, is this Be Still DVD an accurate "expression of Truth," as Beth Moore says it is, and is there truly "no problem with Beth's participation" in this project? If Beth Moore is actually a contemplative, then she does belong on the DVD. If that is the case and she is indeed in the contemplative camp, we hope and pray she will openly and honestly acknowledge this. Beth Moore's statement on the DVD leaves little room for speculation: "[I]f we are not still before Him [God], we will never truly know to the depths of the marrow of our bones that He is God. There's got to be a stillness." Moore says that it is not possible to "truly know" that He is God without "a stillness." She is not talking about a quiet place but rather a stillness of the mind. And this is absolutely the theme in the DVD. Thus, unless you practice this stillness of the mind, your relationship with the Lord is inadequate. According to Beth Moore, you don't even know Him in the way you should.

    You may still be asking yourself, where does Beth Moore really stand with regard to contemplative. The answer to that may at least partially be found in a book she wrote in 2002 called When Godly People Do Ungodly Things. In a section about "Unceasing Prayer" Moore states: "I have picked up on the terminology of Brother Lawrence, who called praying unceasingly practicing God's presence. In fact, practicing God's presence has been my number one goal for the last year" (p. 109).

    Moore says: "A head full of biblical knowledge without a heart passionately in love with Christ is terribly dangerous--a stronghold waiting to happen. The head is full, but the heart and soul are still unsatisfied" (p. 60). This language is very indicative of contemplatives and echoes Richard Foster who said we have become barren within or Rick Warren who said the church is not fully mature without contemplative prayer. However, all of this talk leads one to think that the Word of God is little more than a philosophy and needs the help of contemplative prayer to be effective at all. The insinuation is that the Holy Spirit is dormant and ineffective without this extra stimuli. This is perhaps why contemplative-promoter Rick Warren says the last thing Christians need is another Bible study. Contemplatives are making a distinction between studying and meditating on the Word of God versus loving Him, suggesting that we cannot love Him simply by studying His Word or even through normal prayer--we must practice contemplative to accomplish this. But the Bible makes it clear that the Word of God is living and active, and it is in filling our minds with it that we come to love Him, not through a mystical practice that is never once mentioned in the Bible, except in warnings against vain repetitions and Old Testament warnings against divination.

    Moore builds her case for contemplative in her frequent references to Brennan Manning in her book, suggesting that his contribution to "our generation of believers may be a gift without parallel" (p. 72). This is indeed a troubling statement made by a Christian leader who so many women look to for direction and instruction in their spiritual lives. Many of those women, in reading Moore's comments about Manning and her quoting of him in the book, may turn to the writings of Manning for further insights. When they do, they will find that Manning is a devout admirer of Beatrice Bruteau of The School for Contemplation. Bruteau believes that God lives in all creation, stating: "We have realized ourselves as the Self that says only I AM, with no predicate following, not "I am a this" or "I have that quality." Only unlimited, absolute I AM.

    And yet in Abba's Child, Manning says that Bruteau is a "trustworthy guide to contemplative consciousness." Manning, whose view of the Cross is very similar to that of Brian McLaren, promotes contemplative and states:

    [T]he first step in faith is to stop thinking about God at the time of prayer.

    Choose a single, sacred word or phrase that captures something of the flavor of your intimate relationship with God. A word such as Jesus, Abba, Peace, God or a phrase such as "Abba, I belong to you." ... Without moving your lips, repeat the sacred word inwardly, slowly, and often.

    When distractions come, ... simply return to listening to your sacred word.... [G]ently return [your mind] to your sacred word. (Brennan Manning)

    Beth Moore quotes Manning from his book Ragamuffin Gospel calling the book "one of the most remarkable books" (p. 290) she has ever read. But it is this very book that reveals Manning's true affinity with contemplative spirituality. In the back of the book, Manning makes reference to Basil Pennington saying that Pennington's methods will provide us with "a way of praying that leads to a deep living relationship with God." However, Pennington's methods of prayer draw from Eastern religions. In his book, Finding Grace at the Center, Pennington says:

    We should not hesitate to take the fruit of the age-old wisdom of the East and "capture" it for Christ. Indeed, those of us who are in ministry should make the necessary effort to acquaint ourselves with as many of these Eastern techniques as possible. Many Christians who take their prayer life seriously have been greatly helped by Yoga, Zen, TM and similar practices. (from A Time of Departing, 2nd ed., p.64)

    Manning also cites Carl Jung in Ragamuffin Gospel as well as interspiritualists and contemplatives, Anthony De Mello, Marcus Borg, Morton Kelsey, Gerald May, Henri Nouwen, Annie Dillard, Alan Jones, Eugene Peterson, and Sue Monk Kidd.

    For Moore to call Manning's book "remarkable" and to say his contribution to this generation of believers is "a gift without parallel" leads one to conclude that Beth Moore has absorbed Brennan Manning's spirituality.


    We know that many are upset because we call Beth Moore an advocate for contemplative spirituality. However, we beseech those who are bothered by our reports to search out this matter completely before drawing pre-mature conclusions. Find a way to come to an understanding of what contemplative really is, and then ask Beth Moore to renounce the spirituality that Brennan Manning and Richard Foster are propagating. If she will not do that (which would also include removing her book When Godly People Do Ungodly Things from the market) then she does indeed belong in the contemplative camp and for us to say she is a contemplative advocate is accurate and needful to say. If, however, she will renounce the teachings of these mystic proponents (Foster, Manning, etc) and make it clear that when she says "stillness" she in no way means a stilling of the mind as Foster, Manning and other contemplative mystics teach, she will do a great service to many Christian women and put much confusion to rest. In addition, in order to clear up this present confusion, she would need to remove herself from the 2009 Focus on Marriage seminar, in which she openly and willingly shares a platform with mantra proponent Gary Thomas or ask event organizers to remove Thomas from the schedule. All this to say, if Beth Moore is not a contemplative advocate, she needs to retract past statements that prove otherwise and make a clear and public declaration. Lighthouse Trails has received a number of angry emails and calls from women who want Lighthouse Trails to stop saying this about Beth Moore, but we are presenting solid facts in a non-vitriolic, straight-forward manner.

    Postscript: The Be Still DVD is being widely promoted and can be found even in your local video rental stores. Couple this DVD with the fast growing CCN (Church Communication Network - hosts of the marriage seminar with Moore and Thomas) and we can safely say that contemplative prayer is quickly becoming "normal" in Christianity. But before we are too swift to think "oh well, maybe it isn't that bad," listen to these words by mystic Richard Kirby: "The meditation of advanced occultists is identical with the prayer of advanced mystics." That statement is taken from Ray Yungen's book, A Time of Departing. Yungen saw this coming back in 1994 when he sat and listened to Richard Foster and soon realized Foster was promoting the teachings of mystic Thomas Merton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by candlelight View Post
    Did I miss the list of good teacher's? Please enlighten me? Thanks.
    I've gone through all the posts in this thread, and here's the list of good teachers gathered so far:

    1. Hal Lindsey,
    2. Jack Kelly,
    3. Paul Washer,
    4. Dr. David Reagan,
    5. Adrian Rogers,
    6. J. Vernon McGee,
    7. Charles Stanley,
    8. R C Sproul,
    9. John Walvoord,
    10. David Hocking,
    11. John MacArthur,
    12. Charles H. Spurgeon,
    13. Jonathan Edwards,
    14. David Jeremiah,
    15. Chuck Swindoll,
    16. Spiros Zodhiates

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumSam View Post
    I've gone through all the posts in this thread, and here's the list of good teachers gathered so far:

    1. Hal Lindsey,
    2. Jack Kelly,
    3. Paul Washer,
    4. Dr. David Reagan,
    5. Adrian Rogers,
    6. J. Vernon McGee,
    7. Charles Stanley,
    8. R C Sproul,
    9. John Walvoord,
    10. David Hocking,
    11. John MacArthur,
    12. Charles H. Spurgeon,
    13. Jonathan Edwards,
    14. David Jeremiah,
    15. Chuck Swindoll,
    16. Spiros Zodhiates
    Let us NOT forget Paul Washer and Chris Quintana (see church in the last days series in sticky above) Thanks!

    Although Chuck Swingdoll is an excellent bible teacher, just beware that he quotes from "The Message" on his radio show Insight For Living almost exclusively and has quoted Mark Driscoll on at least one occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumSam View Post
    I've gone through all the posts in this thread, and here's the list of good teachers gathered so far:

    1. Hal Lindsey,
    2. Jack Kelly,
    3. Paul Washer,
    4. Dr. David Reagan,
    5. Adrian Rogers,
    6. J. Vernon McGee,
    7. Charles Stanley,
    8. R C Sproul,
    9. John Walvoord,
    10. David Hocking,
    11. John MacArthur,
    12. Charles H. Spurgeon,
    13. Jonathan Edwards,
    14. David Jeremiah,
    15. Chuck Swindoll,
    16. Spiros Zodhiates
    Isn't RC Sproul a preterist? I thought I read somewhere he has bad eschatology.
    I've only ever heard him preach on OT stuff so I don't know...

    Also, I thought I remembered someone posting something about David Reagan - that he doesn't believe the lost will suffer for eternity, but they will be annihilated??

    Not saying these beliefs alone make a bad teacher, but just things to consider...

    ETA: also I would add Alistair Begg to the 'good' list. Truth For Life
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    I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
    For the LORD God is a sun and shield; the LORD bestows favor and honor;
    no good thing does He withhold from those whose walk is blameless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowUsTheFather View Post
    Isn't RC Sproul a preterist? I thought I read somewhere he has bad eschatology.
    I've only ever heard him preach on OT stuff so I don't know...

    Also, I thought I remembered someone posting something about David Reagan - that he doesn't believe the lost will suffer for eternity, but they will be annihilated??

    Not saying these beliefs alone make a bad teacher, but just things to consider...

    ETA: also I would add Alistair Begg to the 'good' list. Truth For Life
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    I really like Alistair Begg, but personally I really like David Reagan. I could do without Sproul though personally he makes things sound harder then what they are IMO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumSam View Post
    I've gone through all the posts in this thread, and here's the list of good teachers gathered so far:

    1. Hal Lindsey,
    2. Jack Kelly,
    3. Paul Washer,
    4. Dr. David Reagan,
    5. Adrian Rogers,
    6. J. Vernon McGee,
    7. Charles Stanley,
    8. R C Sproul,
    9. John Walvoord,
    10. David Hocking,
    11. John MacArthur,
    12. Charles H. Spurgeon,
    13. Jonathan Edwards,
    14. David Jeremiah,
    15. Chuck Swindoll,
    16. Spiros Zodhiates
    Is Chuck Smith not on this list because of his son? I thought Chuck was still solid, but we are watching him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewWorldOrder View Post
    Is Chuck Smith not on this list because of his son? I thought Chuck was still solid, but we are watching him.
    Chuck Sr. is fine, Jr. is still a mess.

    Damian Kyle is also a terrific teacher.
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