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I love the Gospel of Jesus Christ and also the Jewish people and I cannot listen to Hagee or sugarcoat or minimize the teachings of this man that would withhold salvation from the Jews by this terrible heresy of the *Dual Covenant*. That is a major issue as a pastor with a world-wide pulpit and not some minor misunderstanding that we all have, not being perfected yet.
It could not be more clear in the Word that God holds the Jewish people responsible for, as a whole, rejecting their Moshiach Yeshua for these 2000 years. He will bring them to national repentance - faith in His Son - for salvation during the Trib. That's a major thrust of the Trib. All of Hagee's teachings of prophecy are suspect if he cannot connect these dots and publicly repent of this false teaching.
"...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b
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A big hearty amen!I like Haggee. He's a powerful speaker and not afraid to speak his mind. He pulls no punches. As with anyone, he can't be right about everything all the time. He is human and therefore flawed. However he is one of few pastors who often teaches bible prophecy, and for the most part is biblically sound. He's going to be wrong in some of his views just as ANYBODY is going to be wrong from time to time. There is only one who never has and never will be wrong... Jesus Christ. I guess with any pastor, we should turn to the bible to compare what they may say and never put our complete trust in them. Our complete trust should only go to Jesus.
But I am also glad that we keep each other on our toes so that we have all the facts so that we can sharpen each other.
Psalm 30:11-12 (New King James Version)
11 You have turned for me my mourning into dancing;
You have put off my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to You and not be silent.
O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever.
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hagee is not perfect but he is a man of God. This, folks, is where OSAS comes in handy.
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Yes, OSAS. That's fine and dandy for him, but what about all the lost Jews that he rubs shoulders with, who will go to Hell because he won't share the Gospel with them? How can he be a "man of God" if he won't share the Gospel with ALL the lost because he thinks they don't need it? Isn't this a perversion of the Gospel?
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)
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Romans 1:16b to the Jew first, and also to the GreekYes, OSAS. That's fine and dandy for him, but what about all the lost Jews that he rubs shoulders with, who will go to Hell because he won't share the Gospel with them? How can he be a "man of God" if he won't share the Gospel with ALL the lost because he thinks they don't need it? Isn't this a perversion of the Gospel?
Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" Come LORD Jesus !
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Amen, iSong!
Hagee's dual covenant theology should never be minimized. It is a dangerous, soul-damning heresy and not just something we should view as a minor "agree to disagree" issue.
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalm 27:1
i am WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, WE ARE TOLD TO STUDY FOR OURSELVES TOO , we are not to be "spoonfeeders"I like Haggee. He's a powerful speaker and not afraid to speak his mind. He pulls no punches. As with anyone, he can't be right about everything all the time. He is human and therefore flawed. However he is one of few pastors who often teaches bible prophecy, and for the most part is biblically sound. He's going to be wrong in some of his views just as ANYBODY is going to be wrong from time to time. There is only one who never has and never will be wrong... Jesus Christ. I guess with any pastor, we should turn to the bible to compare what they may say and never put our complete trust in them. Our complete trust should only go to Jesus.
I agree with the consensus that the full Gospel needs to be taught no matter what and I also agree that salvation is for all, including the Jewish people, however, if they end up in hell it won't be because John Hagee didn't tell them about the need for salvation. Jewish people especially, have been hearing what evangelicals have to say for a long time and this includes the full Gospel but they choose not to believe. I cannot believe that God would allow his chosen people to only hear one option without also hearing the truth.Yes, OSAS. That's fine and dandy for him, but what about all the lost Jews that he rubs shoulders with, who will go to Hell because he won't share the Gospel with them? How can he be a "man of God" if he won't share the Gospel with ALL the lost because he thinks they don't need it? Isn't this a perversion of the Gospel?
We need to keep in mind that those who end up in hell will end up there by their own doing, the blame cannot and should not be placed on someone else's shoulders.
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still no excuse for treating a false doctrine as acceptable just because of good oratory or penmanship
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So Br Philip and Christina,
Are you saying then, that's it's just no big deal that Pastor Hagee doesn't share the Gospel with them? That God doesn't see all the time Haggee spends with them, as a wasted opportunity to reach out and save lost people? Or that, as a "Pastor", he is supposed to be shepherding the sheep, which means he is actually held to a higher standard, and is supposed to be concerned with the welfare of their eternal souls.....
Br. Philip, I don't see how sharing the Gospel to the lost is "spoon feeding".
I'm really surprised at both your positions on this.
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)
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Yes!!!!
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)
Spoonefeeding is a christian who takes others WORD for it without STUDYING on their own to find out IF it is TRUTH at all---- we are RESPONSIBLE for ourselves not anyone else, whether Haggee preaches to some and not others is not His problem it is the recipient, who NEED to search their souls, i can respectfully say Pastor hagee has reached more people than anyone on this or any other board, he is doing very well now if he is getting tired or a little off ,it is our jobs to study and not rely on Him or any others. SELF STUDYSo Br Philip and Christina,
Are you saying then, that's it's just no big deal that Pastor Hagee doesn't share the Gospel with them? That God doesn't see all the time Haggee spends with them, as a wasted opportunity to reach out and save lost people? Or that, as a "Pastor", he is supposed to be shepherding the sheep, which means he is actually held to a higher standard, and is supposed to be concerned with the welfare of their eternal souls.....
Br. Philip, I don't see how sharing the Gospel to the lost is "spoon feeding".
I'm really surprised at both your positions on this.
get what we can from pastors and study to show OURSELVEs approved--------- dont be a spoonfedder and rely on other to teach you
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But the Jews are not Christians. They are not saved. It's ok with you, that Hagee doesn't preach the Gospel to them - because of his warped theology?
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)
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Methinks you are arguing against God here ...
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:12-14 (KJV)
Romans 1:16b to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
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that cannot be proved
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Who said it was acceptable, I surely didn't, I was specifically responding to the idea that we are somehow responsible for others' denial of Christ as the Messiah and Savior, we are not.
Before you go jumping off the deep end about my "position", please read carefully what I said. I said that I totally agree that the full Gospel should be preached and that goes for everyone, Jewish and non-Jewish, nowhere did I even hint that it was okay for a false Gospel to be taught, yes it's mis-leading and it's wrong.So Br Philip and Christina,
Are you saying then, that's it's just no big deal that Pastor Hagee doesn't share the Gospel with them? That God doesn't see all the time Haggee spends with them, as a wasted opportunity to reach out and save lost people? Or that, as a "Pastor", he is supposed to be shepherding the sheep, which means he is actually held to a higher standard, and is supposed to be concerned with the welfare of their eternal souls.....
Br. Philip, I don't see how sharing the Gospel to the lost is "spoon feeding".
I'm really surprised at both your positions on this.
He is to be speaking the full Gospel, he is to lead his flock down the right path, he is also to be preaching salvation through Jesus to the Jewsih people and I despise the fact that he doesn't and again, my concern is addressing your inference that Hagee is responsible for someone going to Hell. We are responsible for our own choices and there is more than enough literature and teaching available to the Jewish people that you can't hold Hagee responsible for the rejection of Christ that many of the Jewish have made, that rejection of Christ as the Messiah began way before Hagee was even a thought and that belief has been passed down from generation to generation. I agree that Hagee is not helping in dispelling that false belief but to say that HE is responsible for someone going to Hell is just plain wrong.
Please read my responses thuroughly before responding because it can cause others to think that my "position" is something that it isn't, many will only see the "I'm really surprised at both your positions on this" and I in no way made any kind of claim that Hagee's preaching is "ok and I in no way inferred that his teaching to the Jewish (on salvation) is acceptable.
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