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    Default Muslims Angry Over U.S. Military "Jesus" Rifles

    Thursday, January 21, 2010

    Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the U.S. military is using combat rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.Army officials have said they will investigate whether a Michigan defense contractor violated federal procurement rules by stamping references to Bible verses on the gun sights used by American forces to kill enemy fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations on Wednesday said the continued use of the sights with the religious references would send a negative message to the Muslim world."The use of military equipment with hidden Bible references sends the false message to Muslims worldwide that we are at war with Islam," said CAIR Legal Counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. "In addition, these sights are a potential recruiting tool for anti-American forces, endanger our troops and alienate our Muslim allies. They should we withdrawn as soon as logistically possible."

    The Marine Corps, another major customer of the telescoping sights that allow troops to pinpoint targets day or night, says service acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future purchases of the company's gear."If determined to be true, this is clearly inappropriate and we are looking into possible remedies," Commander Darryn James, a Pentagon spokesman, told AFP.

    The references have stoked concerns by a watch dog group about whether the inscriptions break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops. But military officials said the citations don't violate the ban and they won't stop using the tens of thousands of telescoping sights that have already been bought.The codes were used as "part of our faith and our belief in service to our country," Trijicon said.

    "As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," a company spokesman said on condition of anonymity.Trijicon said it has been longstanding company practice to put the Scripture citations on the equipment. Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing, said the company has never received any complaints until now.

    "We don't publicize this," Munson said in a recent interview. "It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there.'"The inscriptions are subtle and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.

    Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, which is standard issue to U.S. special operations forces, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.

    Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.The Defense Department is a major customer of Trijicon's. In 2009 alone, the Marine Corps signed deals worth $66 million for the company's products. Trijicon's scopes and optical devices for guns range in cost from a few hundred dollars to $13,000, according to the company's Web site.

    Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says the Trijicon sights could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool: that American troops are Christian crusaders invading Muslim countries."I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Quran were being inscribed onto these U.S. armed forces gun sights instead of New Testament citations," Weinstein said. The foundation is a nonprofit organization opposed to religious favoritism within the military.

    Weinstein said he has received complaints about the Scripture citations from active-duty and retired members of the military. He said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which manages military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, said the sights don't violate the ban on proselytizing because there's no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the U.S. troops who use them.

    "This situation is not unlike the situation with U.S. currency," said the spokesman, Air Force Maj. John Redfield. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."Capt. Geraldine Carey, a Marine Corps spokeswoman, said Tuesday in an e-mailed statement that "we are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived." Carey said Marine Corps acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future buys of the company's sights. The statement did not say what the nature of those discussions would be.

    Gary Tallman, an Army spokesman, said the service was not aware of the markings. But Army acquisition experts will determine if Trijicon violated any procurement regulations, he said.

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    If the report never came out the Muslims would never have known the difference. Besides who declared a Jihad to begin with? And since when is a Bible verse part of model number of a weapon proselytizing? Unless of course when hit by the weapn doesn't kill but converts those to Christianity instead.

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    Since when do we give a hoot what the enemy thinks!?!
    Zechariah 10:8-9 "I will signal for them and gather them in. Surely I will redeem them; they will be as numerous as before. Thought I scatter them among the peoples,, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return."

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    To those offended, here, have a file.


    Free Speech/Religion: The government will make no law restricting the free exercise thereof.

    Excellent wisdom in including a verse as part of the s/n. Made them look. I hope these verses are included, they really help the soldier in the field:

    Psalm 28:7
    The LORD is my strength and my shield;My heart trusted in Him, and I am helped; Therefore my heart greatly rejoices, And with my song I will praise Him.

    Psalm 115:11
    You who fear the LORD, trust in the LORD;He is their help and their shield.


    Isn't it amazing how terrified muslims are of the Word of God. And that is just the reference quote not even the whole verse! It demonstrates just how weak their faith is.
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    Isn't it amazing how terrified muslims are of the Word of God. And that is just the reference quote not even the whole verse! It demonstrates just how weak their faith is.
    I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your post but, I'm not sure the problem is that muslims are afraid of the reference as much as our leaders are afraid of how they will respond now that they know.


    Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    The trouble is men are not willing to let the Scriptures say what they want to say. This is largely due to their training, environment, prejudice, or desire to make the Scriptures teach some favorite doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekton View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your post but, I'm not sure the problem is that muslims are afraid of the reference as much as our leaders are afraid of how they will respond now that they know.
    Hmmm...food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekton View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your post but, I'm not sure the problem is that muslims are afraid of the reference as much as our leaders are afraid of how they will respond now that they know.
    Good point to ponder and see how fast our Government folds to thier demands. If this story grows legs, you can bet the company will be forced to change, apologize and pay a hate bill fine.
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    I wonder if any suicide belts or roadside bombs have 'allah' inscribed on them?

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    Trijicon is a company who we should support with our prayers. This is a brave and honorable action taken by some courageous belierer within that company! Praise God for Godly men and women in the business world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVBORN56 View Post
    Trijicon is a company who we should support with our prayers. This is a brave and honorable action taken by some courageous belierer within that company! Praise God for Godly men and women in the business world.
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    Oh well, another day and another bunch of talking points~ lies from the "Religion of Peace." I do tho pray very much that many Muslims will accept the precious gift of salvation before it is too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Good point to ponder and see how fast our Government folds to thier demands. If this story grows legs, you can bet the company will be forced to change, apologize and pay a hate bill fine.
    Either that, or lose their contract.

    This is ridiculous. Can't they use whatever numbers they want to use for item numbers? So what if they happen to be the same numbers as a bible verse. Do we have "PC" item numbers now so as to not offend the enemy? This world has gone crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKool View Post
    I wonder if any suicide belts or roadside bombs have 'allah' inscribed on them?
    You know they do.
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    Muslims Angry Over U.S. Military "Jesus" Rifles


    When AREN'T they angry over ANYTHING involving Jesus?

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    Is the CAIR the mouthpiece of the people we're fighting? They seem to have a lot to say about how the US is fighting the war.

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    One day soon all of us will be dealing with the WORD of GOD as HE pronounces it HIMSELF. The Muslims and their religion of hate and fear and death are the reason there are rifles pointed at them in the first place. I think this is divine poetry. For every "Allah Akhbar" shouted into the air as some poor misused malcontent blows himself and as many innocents as possiible up, a resounding thunder of "YAHWEH Reigns" will ring in their ears when HE introduces HIMSELF up close and personal.

    Romans 12:19 (King James Version)


    19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    These are the people who have sworn to murder you and me the first chance they get. They are working toward that end everyday. They need all the scripture they can get. JMHO

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    Good grief!! The enemy wouldnt have known, if nothing had been said. I watched a snippet on Nightline (I think it was) about it, and you had to really LOOK to see the number inscription, and if you werent expecting to see 1COR913 or something of that nature (knowing it was scripture ref) at the end of a line of serial numbers, you would never had realized it.

    With all of the hullaballoo in the news, I expected to see actual verses stamped out. This entire quibble is ridiculous. Next I expect them to start making the soldiers peel the covers off their Kevlars and remove verses they have hand written themselves.....after all, the equipment is govt. property. Of course, if it were Koran references or wiccan symbols, who would care.

    *grumble*

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    And SHOOTING muslim terrorists over in Iraq and Afghanistan ISN'T going to offend them?!

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    Who cares what they think? I don't think much of their God either.

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    coat ALL of our bullets with bacon grease?

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