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I guess it is a choice.
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I guess it is a choice.
Get out! They can choose? Naw uhh awn....Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus
Well, I just hope then he does not choose back.....
interesting interview, but not once was Christ mentioned as the reason for Ted's "recovery". In fact God wasn't mentioned at all.
Another thing that irks me, is the interviewer said that the the reason the male prostitute made his relationship with Haggard public, was because Haggard was preaching against gay marriage while performing gay acts and that makes him a hypocrite. That makes absolutely no sense. There are lots of homosexuals who are against gay marriage, does that make them hypocrites.
Anyway, Gayle wrote a book about her experience. I hope God is mentioned.
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no longer gay.......
only time will tell.......and IF he's doing in on his own power?????....he'll fail eventually....
Only God knows his heart, but I was perplexed that Jesus was not mentioned one time? God will forgive if he has confessed and sincerely repented and we all know that, but IMHO, I do not think he should Pastor a Church again. There are some that are leader's and there are some that are follower's and I think at this point Ted should be a follower and continue to be held accountable and seek spiritual guidance.
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...no longer gay? OR no longer willing to work as an insurance salesman and give up those BIG BUCKS as a popular evangelist??? I do wonder, which it really is...
I saw him and his wife on TV a few months ago and he was really "down" and feeling sorry for himself about having to sell insurance and not doing very well at it AT ALL. Now maybe he really HAS reformed, but can't help but wonder if he simply MISSES the good income...
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I wonder, but I hope it's true.
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......now that is believable....again only time will tell.
Ted Haggard is looking more like an attention w**** to me.
He appeared in Alexandra Pelosi's (Nancy Pelosi's daughter) HBO documentary on him that came out last year. In the interviews he gave to the mainstream media to promote the documentary, I recall reading and thinking how he came across as a bitter person who was essentially bad-mouthing the Church, something the liberal media loves. I thought it was very distasteful to go to the enemy (the mainstream media) and bash your family (the Church). I got the impression that maybe he did get hurt by some people in the Church because of this scandal (since Christians have been known to shoot and wound their own at times), and to a degree I can understand his bitterness behind it, IF this was the case. However, to go to the mainstream media and portray yourself as a victim and to speak bad about the Church, well I thought that wasn't cool. You don't air your greviances against the church to the whole world. He came off as being portrayed as the poor victim being rejected by those Mean Christians IMO.
I don't know his heart, but from what I've read, it does seem he is driven by money. Here's some info I got from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_HaggardIn April 2007, the Haggard family moved to Phoenix, Arizona to start the "restoration" process. They attended Phoenix First Assembly of God, whose pastor, Tommy Barnett, was on his counseling team. Haggard reached an agreement with New Life Church on a severance package which will pay him through 2007; one of the conditions was that he had to leave the Colorado Springs area.[23] His last reported income was $138,000 not including benefits.
Since the scandal broke, attendance at New Life Church has been down about 20 percent with financial support falling 10 percent. As a consequence the church has laid off 44 employees representing about 12 percent of their workforce.[24] On February 6, 2008, the new pastor at New Life Church, former home to Haggard, issued a press release announcing that Haggard had requested to leave the team created to "restore" him and that as Haggard's restoration is "incomplete", he is not welcome to return to vocational ministry at New Life.[25]
In August 2007, Haggard released a statement asking for monetary donations to help support his family while he and his wife attend classes at the University of Phoenix, a university offering online degrees. The former pastor also said that his family was moving into the Dream Center, a Phoenix based halfway house which ministers to recovering convicts, drug addicts, prostitutes etc. Haggard is pursuing a degree in counseling while his wife Gayle is studying psychology.
Following Haggard's request for donations, a member of Haggard's restoration team said he should have consulted with them before releasing a statement. News media pointed to his reported income: in 2006, he received $115,000 for the 10 months he worked and also received an $85,000 anniversary bonus shortly before the scandal broke; after the scandal broke, the board of trustees of New Life Church agreed to give him a $138,000 severance. Additionally, the Haggards have a home in Colorado Springs, Colorado that is valued at more than $700,000 and Haggard still receives royalties from books he has authored, though sales of those books have fallen off.
Questions also surfaced about the tax-exempt group Haggard asked that donations be sent to, on his behalf: Families With a Mission. According to Haggard, the group would use 10% of donations for administrative costs and forward 90% to Haggard. But the group was dissolved in February 2007, according to the Colorado Secretary of State.
A few days after Haggard's initial email statement, his restoration team stepped in to say his statement was "inappropriate" and that "Haggard was a little ahead of himself." They indicated that Haggard would not be working at the Dream Center or in ministry of any kind and that they advised Haggard to seek secular employment to support himself and his family. [26][27][28][29][30]
In June 2008, the severance deal with the New Life Church at an end, Haggard was "free to live where he wanted" and returned to his Colorado Springs home after living in Westwego, Louisiana since 2007. Also in June, an email surfaced in which Haggard admitted masturbating with Jones and taking drugs, as alleged in 2006. Kurt Serpe, who provided the email, said Haggard "craved sex, he was a sexaholic."
In November 2008, Haggard said in guest sermons at an Illinois church that his actions had roots in sexual abuse by an adult when he was seven years old. He also agreed to appear in Alexandra Pelosi's HBO documentary about his sex scandal titled "The Trials of Ted Haggard", that premiered on HBO in January 2009. According to the documentary, Haggard has begun a new career selling insurance.[31][32][33][34][35]
In January 2009, following the release of The Trials of Ted Haggard, Haggard and his wife, Gayle, appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show, Larry King Live, Good Morning America, and other national media programs to offer a public apology and confession for the issues that spurred his resignation in November 2006. The Haggard couple both appeared on the syndicated television show "Divorce Court". The program is scheduled for broadcast April 1 - 2, 2009. On the program, Ted says he wanted his wife to divorce him after the scandal, saying that he thought he had become so "toxic" that divorce was best for Gayle and children.
On March 11, 2009, Haggard attended a performance of "This Beautiful City", a play about him and the Colorado Springs evangelical community, in NY. In August 2009, Haggard told Charisma magazine: "I do not believe my childhood experience is an excuse. I fell into sin and failed to extract myself. I am responsible, and I have repented." He also extols the benefits of qualified counselors: "I highly recommend qualified Christian counseling . . . for anyone losing their fight with any kind of compulsive thoughts or behaviors. . . . I believe our generation of believers is going to have to accept that it's not always lack of faith if we need counseling for assistance with integrity. If I had gone to counseling, I probably could have completely avoided my crisis." [36][37] [38][39]
Since the "repentance broadcasts," Haggard and his wife have travelled to churches and appeared on radio and television broadcasts. They have also begun to have former church members and friends come to their home for "healing meetings," in which Haggard apologizes, answers any questions, and discusses "how the Gospel can inform our responses to others who violate biblical standards." The couple has been writing, traveling, and speaking about the events of the past several years.[40]
Ted Haggard worked for Reserve National Insurance Company.
WOW! lets build up a brother in Christ and stop raking him over the coals.
7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
same should apply to people here. its terrible what he did, i agree, but God can change anyone and if his heart is right then God will honor it. So, lets pray that his heart has been changed.
It is not my intention to tear down Ted Haggard. I could not help but notice that since this scandal broke, at least one a year he pops up giving interviews. Considering the amount of money he got when he left Colorado, I don't understand why he is broke and is begging for more. That doesn't seem right.
I've even gone as far as saying that I sense he got hurt by people in the church as a result of this scandal, hence the bitterness I've detected in his interviews with the mainstream media when he was promoting his HBO documentary last year. If this is the case, I can certainly relate to the hurt he must have experienced at the hands of people in the church, because I've been hurt by people in the church several times. And if that was the case with Ted, I do think it was distateful of him to go the the liberal media and air his beef with the Church. A Christian airing their greviances to the unsaved does not make a good witness and only provides fuels the other side in bashing the Church.
I'm voicing things I've seen him say that bother me, or things that I perceive. I'll say it again: I don't know the man's heart, but his actions do seem to be driving in other directions that are not about God, like money.
With that said, I do agree that we definitely need to lift Ted and his wife up in prayer.
well then im a hypocrite too. i witness and preach the name of Jesus, however i sin. in fact i struggle with pornagrphy. guess im a freak and not your brother either. which is fine.
but Jesus ate with tax collectors, and "sinners." for "its not the healthy that need a doctor, but the sick."
read your bible !
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
it says were not are....
sodomy is somtimes a sign that the mind has been given up by GOD "in most cases"
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. this sounds like ol teddy boy to me ...
well do as you wish and think as you may however the WORD of GOD is clear...
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
So you mean it is not a choice?
only time will tell.......and IF he's doing in on his own power?????....he'll fail eventually....
Are you implying that becoming gay was his free choice, but that becoming straight is something he needs to struggle about?
thats a good analogy. i pray he was convicted and changed throughn a supernatural influence from the Holy spirit.
Ted could very well be your brother in Christ.....only God knows the condition of his heart. You shouldn't be so quick to assume that the man is not saved.
And Ted's struggle with homosexuallity doesn't make him a "freak".....it only makes him human. Like the rest of us.
I think what Deborah55 meant was that if Ted is trying to live a heterosexual lifestyle in his own strength and not relying on the power of the Holy Spirit to help him, since homosexuality is something he struggles with, then he will fail and fall back into the homosexual lifestyle.
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Well said, Musclecar.
You know, we Christians can make mistakes. While we're still in these bodies, we will still be tempted, and unfortunately, many of us will fall into a grevious sin. You shouldn't walk around so puffed up, because you could easily fall into a grevious sin yourself.
1 Corinthians 1:12 says
While Ted's actions do seem to suggest he's about money or he hasn't repented, and yes, he's not a good spokesperson for Christianity, it's is not our place to say whether or not he's saved, or to judge his heart and motivations. Only God knows where Ted truly stands as far as being His son. Remember, they way Ted has gone is breaking God's heart and if he is truly a child of God, God will not abandon Ted and He will do all He can to reach him and bring him back into fellowship with Himself and get him back on the right track.Therefore let him who (V)thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
I hope that if you ever find yourself caught up in a grevious sinful situation, the people around you will show more compassion to you than you have shown to Ted Haggard.
You know folks, it is hard for threads like these not to take a turn toward judgment and/or deciding if one is a Christian or not. And per board rules we are not to post as such, but this got me to wondering....
Somewhere someone posted a thread that listed Jesus' blood line and what each person was, like for example, you had a murderer, a prostitute, etc. etc. Now while I know there was no need for God to line item every possible sin in the bible, he does in fact speak on many specific ones-- and I can only assume there is a specific reason for that.
Now homosexuality is mentioned quite often in the bible, so I was wondering-- is there any example of a specific person in the bible that turned away from the sin of homosexuality and followed the Lord? If not, why do you suppose that is the case? And why do you suppose our only reference for God's judgment on this sin is the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Is there anything else in the bible that addresses this?
Also, if someone knows of the thread I am speaking of or where to find such a list, please let me know.
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