Wife - Ted Haggard No Longer Gay

[April]

I never liked this Guy to begin with, I always thought he was talking with a forked tongue before this scandal broke.
I still don't Buy what he trying to sell, I used to see him in these Brand Name Labeled Suits, with GOLD Jewerly donning on his Fingers on the Pulpit, talking about Send me Money Send Me Money....What For, to Buy one More Diamond or Gold Ring for Yourself?
I seen some of his Followers, some of them LOOKED like they Needed Help, and Here was Old Forked tongue TED standing there with All His Brand Name Label Clothes on, talking about MONEY.

To me a TRUE MAN of the LORD, is a Preacher who is out Amoungst Men, and Helping and Living a Humble Life as we are...Not Preaching about GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY and Wearing Brand Named Suits and wearing expensive Jewerly.

The Real Men of God, our Helping the real Unfornate of Life and giving back.

[Musclecar1975]

You know folks, it is hard for threads like these not to take a turn toward judgment and/or deciding if one is a Christian or not. And per board rules we are not to post as such, but this got me to wondering....

Somewhere someone posted a thread that listed Jesus' blood line and what each person was, like for example, you had a murderer, a prostitute, etc. etc. Now while I know there was no need for God to line item every possible sin in the bible, he does in fact speak on many specific ones-- and I can only assume there is a specific reason for that.

Now homosexuality is mentioned quite often in the bible, so I was wondering-- is there any example of a specific person in the bible that turned away from the sin of homosexuality and followed the Lord? If not, why do you suppose that is the case? And why do you suppose our only reference for God's judgment on this sin is the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Is there anything else in the bible that addresses this?

Also, if someone knows of the thread I am speaking of or where to find such a list, please let me know.

Hey Ms. Cocopea!

What I LOVE about the Lord is how He reaches down to the people society would ignore and draw them to Himself. Rahab and Ruth are two of my favorite people from the bible, because they were outsiders and God accepted them and both of these ladies are in the bloodline of Christ. When I consider this, I get chills and feel so in awe of God!

To answer your one of your questions, the closest I could find in the bible of a homosexual repenting and turning to Christ is found in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, Nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Hope this helps, Hon!

[JoelH]

I think it is telling that a Christian teacher, who professes Jesus Christ as his Lord and who confesses he believes the Bible as God's Word, that on a situation he confesses is a serious sin, will never mention Jesus in his behavioural repentance of a sin that is this serious.

This is at best, not a genuine repentance of a true Christian. At worst, he is a false professing Christian. But one thing we can be sure of, that the latest development still doesn't glorify God and all bretherns in Christ should keep an arms length from anything Taggard teaches.

[cocopea9052]

Hey Ms. Cocopea!

What I LOVE about the Lord is how He reaches down to the people society would ignore and draw them to Himself. Rahab and Ruth are two of my favorite people from the bible, because they were outsiders and God accepted them and both of these ladies are in the bloodline of Christ. When I consider this, I get chills and feel so in awe of God!

To answer your one of your questions, the closest I could find in the bible of a homosexual repenting and turning to Christ is found in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Hope this helps, Hon!

Muscle

I agree, I know God gave us many examples. I often think of Hosea, I mean God commanded him to marry a prostitute and she never did repent. She kept running away and he kept going after her. Now we know this was to illustrate Israel's unfaithfulness, but I'd imagine it did not make for a very happy marriage. Hence-- I suppose that is where some folks get the impression that staying in a adulterous marriage is okay, but that is a whole other story. Besides, Hosea had a direct command from God you know....

Anyway, back to biblical examples, I'm just surprised with homosexuality becoming what it is today, God would not have put a example of a specific person, whereas he did with prostitutes & adulterers.... and such. But again, I agree, there is only so many ways to spell out SIN! But can you just imagine if we had a actual bible character to present in the case of debates or just showing how God can change the heart of a person committing such a specific sin. Kinda like how Paul use to murder Christians.....

Thanks for this scripture, yes it does help

[JoelH]

Muscle

I agree, I know God gave us many examples. I often think of Hosea, I mean God commanded him to marry a prostitute and she never did repent. She kept running away and he kept going after her. Now we know this was to illustrate Israel's unfaithfulness, but I'd imagine it did not make for a very happy marriage. Hence-- I suppose that is where some folks get the impression that staying in a adulterous marriage is okay, but that is a whole other story. Besides, Hosea had a direct command from God you know....

Anyway, back to biblical examples, I'm just surprised with homosexuality becoming what it is today, God would not have put a example of a specific person, whereas he did with prostitutes & adulterers.... and such. But again, I agree, there is only so many ways to spell out SIN! But can you just imagine if we had a actual bible character to present in the case of debates or just showing how God can change the heart of a person committing such a specific sin. Kinda like how Paul use to murder Christians.....

Thanks for this scripture, yes it does help

We shouldn't read the Bible through the lens of our culture - yes, it is rampant in the Western culture but is never a big problem in contemporary East Asia. We can't ask God to say the Bible presents a character that struggles with a sin of each different specific culture of a specific era. For example, the most rampant sin in Song dynasty-era China will be different from 19th century New Zealand or from late Inca Empire era.

Another thing is that by taking this stand, we have essentially denied the power of the Bible to give propositions out from God to everyone of us. Stories and learning Bible characters are good, but there are plenty of portions of the Bible which tells us plain of not to commit that sin and they reveal to us equally about the standards of behaviours of we born again believers.

[cocopea9052]

"..... Stories and learning Bible characters are good, but there are plenty of portions of the Bible which tells us plain of not to commit that sin and they reveal to us equally about the standards of behaviors of we born again believers.

Joel

Yes, I agree with this and this is my stance. I was just throwing out the question from a point of curiosity.....

Also, over in our Social Group we are going through the book of Titus, and I cannot tell you how many times I could just imagine Timothy standing here today --saying word for word the exact same thing. Truly, there is nothing new under the sun...yes the bible addresses everything be it very precise and specific or general.....

[ngraham]

You know, I never watched Ted too much, but there's a reason for that. When I got saved in the early 80's, at the same time, the "name it, claim it" preachers preaching health/healing and prosperity were also starting to come into full bloom. So that's the kind of teaching/preaching that I sat under for years. I'm not saying all of that is wrong, that kind of judging is way above my pay scale as the big "O" would say. But altho I did as I was taught, I still struggled while I raised 5 kids by myself, with little or no help from their dads. And altho I saw needs being met (including some of mine and my family's needs) I truly never saw anyone prosper so much that they dripped in gold or wore designer suits. And in the end, that kind of preaching did more harm than it did good for me because that was one of the reasons why I back slid. I couldn't understand why, if I did what the preachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin preached, why was I still struggling like I was? Didn't God love me like He loved others? I also struggled with 3 ruptured discs in 2 years and altho I know I received healing from the Lord, why did it happen to begin with? So for the most part, I have backed away from that kind of preaching and teaching. Again, I'm not going to say that kind of thing is wrong, but I sure didn't see alot of evidence that it worked either. I can't and won't say whether or not Ted has repented, but scripture says we will know them by their fruits. $138,000!!! Me thinks he needs to find out how the other 3/4 of the US's population lives.

[NewWorldOrder]

You know, I never watched Ted too much, but there's a reason for that. When I got saved in the early 80's, at the same time, the "name it, claim it" preachers preaching health/healing and prosperity were also starting to come into full bloom. So that's the kind of teaching/preaching that I sat under for years. I'm not saying all of that is wrong, that kind of judging is way above my pay scale as the big "O" would say. But altho I did as I was taught, I still struggled while I raised 5 kids by myself, with little or no help from their dads. And altho I saw needs being met (including some of mine and my family's needs) I truly never saw anyone prosper so much that they dripped in gold or wore designer suits. And in the end, that kind of preaching did more harm than it did good for me because that was one of the reasons why I back slid. I couldn't understand why, if I did what the preachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin preached, why was I still struggling like I was? Didn't God love me like He loved others? I also struggled with 3 ruptured discs in 2 years and altho I know I received healing from the Lord, why did it happen to begin with? So for the most part, I have backed away from that kind of preaching and teaching. Again, I'm not going to say that kind of thing is wrong, but I sure didn't see alot of evidence that it worked either. I can't and won't say whether or not Ted has repented, but scripture says we will know them by their fruits. $138,000!!! Me thinks he needs to find out how the other 3/4 of the US's population lives.

ngraham, that sort of teaching is wrong and is called apostasy. We are called by God to be good stewards of His Word and to learn to watch for false teaching, and not follow it or give any credence to it. In fact we are supposed to stand against it. There is a lot of information on false teaching and false teachers in the Apostasy forum: http://rr-bb.com/forumdisplay.php?9-Apostasy

[alrdyreg]

You know, we Christians can make mistakes. While we're still in these bodies, we will still be tempted, and unfortunately, many of us will fall into a grevious sin. You shouldn't walk around so puffed up, because you could easily fall into a grevious sin yourself.

1 Corinthians 1:12 says



While Ted's actions do seem to suggest he's about money or he hasn't repented, and yes, he's not a good spokesperson for Christianity, it's is not our place to say whether or not he's saved, or to judge his heart and motivations. Only God knows where Ted truly stands as far as being His son. Remember, they way Ted has gone is breaking God's heart and if he is truly a child of God, God will not abandon Ted and He will do all He can to reach him and bring him back into fellowship with Himself and get him back on the right track.

I hope that if you ever find yourself caught up in a grevious sinful situation, the people around you will show more compassion to you than you have shown to Ted Haggard.

agreed. 110%.

[waiting1]

only time will tell.......and IF he's doing in on his own power?????....he'll fail eventually....

Only time will tell, and only those who truly know Christ have the abiltity to overcome sin.

Those who don't here is what happens!:

Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Self reformation is impossible only with Christ can man overcome his tendency to sin.