Happy Fat Tuesday....
Happy Fat Tuesday....
Last edited by Amber Lynne; February 16th, 2010 at 01:58 PM.
This is primarily a RCC tradition. Not something scriptural. On Ash Wednesday, many RCC members will have a cross drawn in ash on their forehead. It is nothing more than a ritual.
Amber Lynne, many people are not aware of the Roman Catholic practices. By asking the questions we are able to point to the falsehoods. I think it is good for members to know that some of our protestant and evangelical churches are now participating in these Lenten traditions. They come from the Roman Catholic Church. And they are not innocent. As we have tried to expose in the Apostasy forum, Protestants are heading back to Rome and are not even aware of it.
The last day of Mardi Gras is the wild celebration of Fat Tuesday. The rational is to let it all hang out so you can prepare yourself for Lent and Easter. Bleary eyed and hung over from a night of orgy-like celebration, Ash Wednesday begins the time to abstain from temptations of the flesh.
However, there is absolutely no basis in scripture for any of these religious practices. It is purely Pagan in origin and current practice.
“"Such a Lent of forty days was observed in Egypt…...This Egyptian Lent of forty days…was held expressly in commemoration of Adonis or Osiris…”"
The observance of Lent is directly tied to Tammuz.
“"Among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz, which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing…”"
"“Indeed, in the Mysteries of Tammuz or Adonis a whole week was spent in lamentations and mourning. The funeral processions were succeeded by a fast and later by rejoicings; for after the fast Adonis-Tammuz was regarded as raised from the dead…”
The LORD calls this celebration an abomination.
“[the LORD said] unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD’S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.”
Ezekiel 8:13-14 (emphasis mine)
Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent and occurs forty-six days (forty days not counting Sundays) before Easter. It is a moveable feast, falling on a different date each year because it is dependent on the date of Easter. It can occur as early as 4 February or as late as 10 March.
Ash Wednesday gets its name from the practice of placing ashes on the foreheads of the faithful as a sign of repentance. The ashes used are gathered after the Palm Crosses from the previous year's Palm Sunday are burned. In the liturgical practice of some churches, the ashes are mixed with the Oil of the Catechumens (one of the sacred oils used to anoint those about to be baptized), though some churches use ordinary oil. This paste is used by the minister who presides at the service to make the sign of the cross, first upon his or her own forehead and then on those of congregants. The minister recites the words: "Remember (O man) that you are dust, and to dust you shall return", or "Repent, and believe the Gospel."
At Masses and services of worship on this day, ashes are imposed on the foreheads of the faithful (or on the tonsure spots, in the case of some clergy). The priest, minister, or in some cases officiating layperson, marks the forehead of each participant with black ashes in the shape of a cross, which the worshipper traditionally retains until it wears off. The act echoes the ancient Near Eastern tradition of throwing ashes over one's head to signify repentance before God (as related in the Bible). The priest or minister says one of the following when applying the ashes:
Remember, O man, that you are dust, and unto dust you shall return.
Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel.
Repent, and hear the good news.
"Ash Wednesday" by Carl Spitzweg: the end of Carnival.
The ashes used in the service of worship or Mass are sacramentals, not a sacrament. The ashes are blessed according to various rites proper to each liturgical tradition, sometimes involving the use of Holy Water. In some churches they are mixed with light amounts of water or olive oil, which serve as a fixative. In most liturgies for Ash Wednesday, the Penitential psalms are read; Psalm 51 (LXX Psalm 50) is especially associated with this day. The service also often includes a corporate confession rite.
In some of the free church liturgical traditions, other practices are sometimes added or substituted, as other ways of symbolizing the confession and penitence of the day. For example, in one common variation, small cards are distributed to the congregation on which people are invited to write a sin they wish to confess. These small cards are brought forth to the altar table where they are burned.
In the Roman Catholic Church, ashes, being sacramentals, may be given to anyone who wishes to receive them, as opposed to Catholic sacraments, which are generally reserved for church members, except in cases of grave necessity. Similarly, in most other Christian denominations ashes may be received by all who profess the Christian faith and are baptized.
In the Roman Catholic Church, Ash Wednesday is observed by fasting, abstinence from meat, and repentance—a day of contemplating one's transgressions. The Anglican Book of Common Prayer also designates Ash Wednesday as a day of fasting. In the medieval period, Ash Wednesday was the required annual day of penitential confession occurring after fasting and the remittance of the tithe so difficult to pay. In other Christian denominations these practices are optional, with the main focus being on repentance. On Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, Roman Catholics between the ages of 18 and 59 are permitted to consume only one full meal, which may be supplemented by two smaller meals, which together should not equal the full meal. Some Roman Catholics will go beyond the minimum obligations demanded by the Church and undertake a complete fast or a bread and water fast. Ash Wednesday and Good Friday are also days of abstinence from meat (for those Catholics age 14 and over), as are all Fridays in Lent. Some Roman Catholics continue fasting during the whole of Lent, as was the Church's traditional requirement, concluding only after the celebration of the Easter Vigil.
Ash Wednesday is a day of repentance and it marks the beginning of Lent. Ashes were used in ancient times, according to the Bible, to express mourning. Dusting oneself with ashes was the penitent's way of expressing sorrow for sins and faults. An ancient example of one expressing one's penitence is found in Job 42:3-6. Job says to God: "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. The other eye wandereth of its own accord. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes." (vv. 5-6, KJV) Other examples are found in several other books of the Bible including, Numbers 19:9, 19:17, Jonah 3:6, Matthew 11:21, and Luke 10:13, and Hebrews 9:13. Ezekiel 9 also speaks of a linen-clad messenger marking the forehead of the city inhabitants that have sorrow over the sins of the people. All those without the mark are destroyed.
It marks the start of a forty day period analogous to the separation of Jesus in the desert to fast and pray. During this time he was tempted. Matthew 4:1-11, Mark 1:12-13, and Luke 4:1-13.
Dionysus or Dionysos (pronounced /ˌdaɪ.ɵˈnaɪsəs/; Greek: Διόνυσος or Διώνυσος) is the Ancient Greek god of wine, the inspirer of ritual madness and ecstasy, and a major figure of Greek mythology. He is included as one of the twelve Olympians in some lists. Dionysus is typical of the god of the epiphany, "the god that comes". He was also known as Bacchus, the name adopted by the Romans and the frenzy he induces, bakkheia. He is the patron deity of agriculture and the theater. He was also known as the Liberator (Eleutherios), freeing one from one's normal self, by madness, ecstasy or wine. The divine mission of Dionysus was to mingle the music of the aulos and to bring an end to care and worry. Scholars have discussed Dionysus' relationship to the "cult of the souls" and his ability to preside over communication between the living and the dead.
Dionysus is a god of mystery religious rites, such as those practiced in honor of Demeter and Persephone at Eleusis near Athens. In the Thracian mysteries, he wears the "bassaris" or fox-skin, symbolizing new life. His own rites, the Dionysian Mysteries, were the most secretive of all (See also Maenads). Many scholars believe that Dionysus is a syncretism of a local Greek nature deity and a more powerful god from Thrace
"Followers of Dionysus imagined him as the presence that is otherwise defined within man as the craving that longs to 'let itself go' and to 'give itself over' to outlaw desires," "What puritans might resist as the lustful wants of the carnal man or the temptations of the Devil, the followers of Dionysus embraced as the incarnate power that would, in the afterlife, liberate man's soul from the constraints of the present world and from customs which sought to define respectability through obedience to moral law."
worshippers of Dionysus attempted to bring themselves into union with the god through ritual casting off of the bonds of primal constraint by seeking to attain a "higher state of ecstasy."
The uninhibited rituals of ecstasy (Greek for "outside the body") employed lascivious behavior, ecstatic communal dancing to the drums and flute, flicking of the head backward (as found in most trance inducing cults), and overt consumption of wine to bring the followers of Dionysus into a supernatural condition which enabled them to escape the temporary limitations of the body and mind and to achieve an orgiastic state of "enthousiasmos", or "outside the body and inside the god."
In this sense, Dionysus represented a dichotomy in the Greek religion, as the primary maxim of the Greek culture was one of moderation; "nothing too extreme." Yet Dionysus embodied the absolute extreme in that he sought to inflame the forbidden passions of human desire.
"As students of psychology will understand," "the willful abandonment of social restraints, which defined Dionysus-worship, actually gave the god of wine and revelry a stronger allure, not weaker, among many ancients who otherwise tried in so many ways to suppress and control the secret lusts of the human heart. Dionysus was a craving that demanded one partake of 'the forbidden fruit' and who threatened madness upon those who denied him free expression. Conversely, persons giving themselves over to the will of Dionysus were promised the lie of unlimited psychological and physical delights."
The timing of Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednesday is also very important to the Serpent Cult. "The religious masses move from carnival mode to fasting mode as an act of obedience and an spiritual surrender to mythical sun deities in my opinion and it will coincide with mass Sun Worship 40 days later at 'Easter'
The use of mythical deities in this ritual is far easier and very possible to explain through the carnivals that lead up to the 'Mardi Gras', which is the French word for Fat Tuesday, that take place in New Orleans. Indeed the carnivals and Mardi Gras in New Orleans are probably the most ‘famous’ in the world and that is no coincidence believe me. New Orleans is the symbolic 'king of all other carnivals'
The carnivals at New Orleans harbour much occult symbolism but more than that they are the work of the Serpent Cult through their stems of secret societies. The carnival parades in New Orleans are organised by and known as ‘krewes.’ Hidden within these are very dispicable fragments of the Serpent Cult. Indeed there are many and most of them represent a symbolic mythical deity ranging from Isis to Zeus.
Look at this for a list of 'symbolic deities' used by these secret society Krews in the New Orleans carnivals and Mardi Gras then.
If you didn't know about the symbolic deities hidden in the krewes you won’t know about the world famous celebrities, pied piper’s, that are literally the symbolic figureheads or Kings representing many of the ‘krewes’ and these krewes are designed to bring together all races and classes to take part in the carnivals leading up to the Mardi Gras. The collective party atmosphere is vital to the Serpent Cult all creeds and colours will give off spiritual energy for the Mardi Gras.
The Carnivals and Mari Gras are just another form of us obeying these ancient deities thy mean absolutely nothing else apart from a means to enslave us. The carnivals and the Mari Gras are just another scam for the Serpent Cult to extract our energy and another ritual of spiritual surrender from the masses. If you just step back and look at these events you will see that the masses are completely unaware of the implications of what they are doing at the Mardi Gras and carnivals. The vast, vast, majority of the attendees of these events are only there for their own enjoyment and this is because true enjoyment is a rarity outside of the circus of the establishments annual events like the Mardi Gras or individual family celebrations like Christenings, weddings etc, that the establishment also have a large say in although you may not notice it.
Again these carnivals are simply occult rituals and they are covertly ‘dedicated’ to the deity known as Bacchus and ‘all’ similar Bacchus deities from other cultures. It is simply another Sun worship ritual. In places like South America, (like I said the Serpent Cult want concentrated energy in this area of the world) for some reason had no ancient deity resembling Bacchus then they have had created for them a relatively new one like La Diablada festival in Oruro.
The invading Catholic Church implemented these carnivals years ago as part of the agenda for a New World Order and they don’t want officially associating with a drinking and sex festival that will symbolically praise Bacchus the sun of Zeus, so to mask things a devil type figure has been created to use as a focal figure in certain areas but at the end of the day please take it in that ALL pre Lenten carnivals are linked with Bacchus (Dionysus) or his equivalent.
When the masses take part in the Mardi Gras they are symbolically ‘following the orders’ of the mythical deity Bacchus and by celebrating in the carnival they are creating energy for the creators of Bacchus. It’s the same emotional scam as mentioned in the Diana article, there is no difference whatsoever apart from there being no death of a symbolic figurehead involved in this matter and the energy is not created through the mourning of a goddess it is created through a party of drink and sex. It is far easier for the Serpent Cult to get the masses to willingly take part in a ritual the get pleasure from and who wants to miss out on a carnival in Brazil or the Mardi Gras in New Orleans? It’s a piece of cake to get the dumbed down masses to party when they are told when to do so, especially if you give millions of sexually oppressed Catholics the permission from god to have a party that is on a par with an ancient Greek or Roman orgy.
These warm up carnivals and the Mardi Gras itself are on a par with the Saturnalia festivals, which took part at a different time of the Sun cycle, in which the masses dress up and act out fantasy and drink and have sex but as I said this one is all dedicated to the Bacchus deity. Members of the Serpent Cult do these things in private every week anyway. They carry out sex rituals on a regular basis but for reason the masses are ordered to carry out a similar practice ‘when told to do so’. This could be because if the masses willingly carry out such an event they will give spiritual permission for the rituals being carried out in private by the Serpent Cult to take place therefore these sick rituals end up being the will of the collective human consciousness. They provide the right for the Serpent Cult to carry out their private rituals by participating in their public rituals. We give them our consent.
The Serpent Cult relies on our obedience and our gullibility. We have to obey the mythical gods like God and Jesus or Zeus and Apollo or the Serpent Cult will lose its right to rule. We have to obey the world leaders like Obama or the Serpent Cult will lose the right to rule. We have to love and respect the Serpent Cult’s celebrities like Beckham and Elton John or the Serpent Cult will lose the right to rule We have to be gullible and we have to take part in regular rituals that will endorse the right of the Serpent Cult to rule us because of the free will permission we give through taking part in the deceptive rituals like the Mardi Gras.
There is not ONE worldwide ritual that is not fully controlled by establishment created religions and there is not ONE worldwide ritual that is not fully controlled by establishment created politics, the establishment’s supply of famous pied piper celebrities or the establishment created financial system. So in my opinion the biggest question you need to ask yourself is… “Do you trust the same established force, the Serpent Cult, the global elite, the illuminati or whatever the hell you want to call them but I mean the force that has caused massive poverty, numerous murderous wars and continuous worldwide oppression would arrange for festivals, parties and other events to take place for our benefit? Do you? These things are 100% for the benefit of the Serpent Cult and always have been the only thing they don't like is that they have to raise your emotions on a positive level for you to worship the mythical gods that act as representatives from another dimension. These carnivals, these Mardi Gras's, are all about what's in it for them and not what is in it for us.
What’s in for them? I’ll tell you… your spiritual energy is in it for them and the surrender of your spirit is in it for them and those things will give the same force that has ruled this world for thousands of years the divine right to carry on doing so... simply because it is the 'free will of the human race that will allow them to do so. The free will of the collective consciousness directs the path of this world and the continous worldwide rituals taking place in this world literally represent that free will and therefore represents the direction we take. If we carry on as we are then we allow the creators of these deceptive rituals, the Serpent Cult, to harness our free will through the worship of the very deities that they created. I realise the masses are unaware they are deceived but that does not matter it is still the free will of the masses to endorse these rituals. The Serpent Cult will continue to deceive the masses until complete surrender of the spirit and collective consciousness is complete. Once that happens the Serpent Cult will no longer need to raise your emotions at rituals in a spiritual energy con trick.
How Nimrod died, Scripture is entirely silent. There was an ancient tradition that he came to a violent end. The circumstances of that end, however, as antiquity represents them, are clouded with fable. It is said that tempests of wind sent by God against the Tower of Babel overthrew it, and that Nimrod perished in its ruins. This could not be true, for we have sufficient evidence that the Tower of Babel stood long after Nimrod's day. Then, in regard to the death of Ninus, profane history speaks darkly and mysteriously, although one account tells of his having met with a violent death similar to that of Pentheus, Lycurgus, * and Orpheus, who were said to have been torn in pieces. **
* Lycurgus, who is commonly made the enemy of Bacchus, was, by the Thracians and Phrygians, identified with Bacchus, who it is well known, was torn in pieces.
** LUDOVICUS VIVES, Commentary on Augustine. Ninus as referred to by Vives is called "King of India." The word "India" in classical writers, though not always, yet commonly means Ethiopia, or the land of Cush. Thus the Choaspes in the land of the eastern Cushites is called an "Indian River" (DIONYSIUS AFER. Periergesis); and the Nile is said by Virgil to come from the "coloured Indians" (Georg)--i.e., from the Cushites, or Ethiopians of Africa. Osiris also is by Diodorus Siculus (Bibliotheca), called "an Indian by extraction." There can be no doubt, then, that "Ninus, king of India," is the Cushite or Ethiopian Ninus.
The identity of Nimrod, however, and the Egyptian Osiris, having been established, we have thereby light as to Nimrod's death. Osiris met with a violent death, and that violent death of Osiris was the central theme of the whole idolatry of Egypt. If Osiris was Nimrod, as we have seen, that violent death which the Egyptians so pathetically deplored in their annual festivals was just the death of Nimrod. The accounts in regard to the death of the god worshipped in the several mysteries of the different countries are all to the same effect. A statement of Plato seems to show, that in his day the Egyptian Osiris was regarded as identical with Tammuz; * and Tammuz is well known to have been the same as Adonis, the famous HUNTSMAN, for whose death Venus is fabled to have made such bitter lamentations.
* See WILKINSON'S Egyptians. The statement of Plato amounts to this, that the famous Thoth was a counsellor of Thamus, king of Egypt. Now Thoth is universally known as the "counsellor" of Osiris. Hence it may be concluded that Thamus and Osiris are the same.
As the women of Egypt wept for Osiris, as the Phoenician and Assyrian women wept for Tammuz, so in Greece and Rome the women wept for Bacchus, whose name, as we have seen, means "The bewailed," or "Lamented one." And now, in connection with the Bacchanal lamentations, the importance of the relation established between Nebros, "The spotted fawn," and Nebrod, "The mighty hunter," will appear. The Nebros, or "spotted fawn," was the symbol of Bacchus, as representing Nebrod or Nimrod himself. Now, on certain occasions, in the mystical celebrations, the Nebros, or "spotted fawn," was torn in pieces, expressly, as we learn from Photius, as a commemoration of what happened to Bacchus, * whom that fawn represented.
* Photius, under the head "Nebridzion" quotes Demosthenes as saying that "spotted fawns (or nebroi) were torn in pieces for a certain mystic or mysterious reason"; and he himself tells us that "the tearing in pieces of the nebroi (or spotted fawns) was in imitation of the suffering in the case of Dionysus" or Bacchus. (PHOTIUS, Lexicon)
The tearing in pieces of Nebros, "the spotted one," goes to confirm the conclusion, that the death of Bacchus, even as the death of Osiris, represented the death of Nebrod, whom, under the very name of "The Spotted one," the Babylonians worshipped. Though we do not find any account of Mysteries observed in Greece in memory of Orion, the giant and mighty hunter celebrated by Homer, under that name, yet he was represented symbolically as having died in a similar way to that in which Osiris died, and as having then been translated to heaven. *
* See OVID'S Fasti. Ovid represents Orion as so puffed up with pride on account of his great strength, as vain-gloriously to boast that no creature on earth could cope with him, whereupon a scorpion appeared, "and," says the poet, "he was added to the stars." The name of a scorpion in Chaldee is Akrab; but Ak-rab, thus divided, signifies "THE GREAT OPPRESSOR," and this is the hidden meaning of the Scorpion as represented in the Zodiac. That sign typifies him who cut off the Babylonian god, and suppressed the system he set up. It was while the sun was in Scorpio that Osiris in Egypt "disappeared" (WILKINSON), and great lamentations were made for his disappearance. Another subject was mixed up with the death of the Egyptian god; but it is specially to be noticed that, as it was in consequence of a conflict with a scorpion that Orion was "added to the stars," so it was when the scorpion was in the ascendant that Osiris "disappeared."
From Persian records we are expressly assured that it was Nimrod who was deified after his death by the name of Orion, and placed among the stars. Here, then, we have large and consenting evidence, all leading to one conclusion, that the death of Nimrod, the child worshipped in the arms of the goddess-mother of Babylon, was a death of violence.
Now, when this mighty hero, in the midst of his career of glory, was suddenly cut off by a violent death, great seems to have been the shock that the catastrophe occasioned. When the news spread abroad, the devotees of pleasure felt as if the best benefactor of mankind were gone, and the gaiety of nations eclipsed. Loud was the wail that everywhere ascended to heaven among the apostates from the primeval faith for so dire a catastrophe. Then began those weepings for Tammuz, in the guilt of which the daughters of Israel allowed themselves to be implicated, and the existence of which can be traced not merely in the annals of classical antiquity, but in the literature of the world from Ultima Thule to Japan.
Tammuz, which comes from the Sumerian Dumu.Zi(d), is synonymous with Bacchus and the Greek Adonis. He was worshipped as the child savior as the counterfeit of the Lord Jesus Christ. The ancient Babylonians worshiped Tammuz to produce life in the womb, which the Bible denies and denounces (Ezekiel 8:14-15). Tammuz was the embodiment of the current Pro-Life apostasy. The Bible teaches that God gives soul-life at birth, and the only life in the womb is biological.
Tammuz was the god of Mesopotamian myth who was worshipped as “The Quickener of the Child (in the mother’s womb).”15
Tammuz was a food or vegetation deity embodying four different aspects: a power in the sap that rises in trees and plants, a power in the date palm and its fruit, a power in the grain and beer, and a power in milk. This fourth aspect was his most characteristic one; since he represent the mysterious potential in the female sheep of giving birth to young and of producing milk with its life-giving powers, he became the patron saint of shepherds, the god of fertility and producer of new life who managed and cared for cattle pens and sheepfolds.
Of the three most important Sumerian ritual dramas (in which cultic concepts were acted out in a formal setting in order to coerce the gods to perform the desires and fulfill the needs of the actors), two related directly to Tammuz, cohabited with a priestess (representing the goddess Inanna/Ishtar, the lover of Tammuz) to insure that the power of fertility would pervade nature and guarantee prosperity and plenty. The second was based on the observable fact that the end of spring brought the end of new life in nature, the end of the milking and lambing season; the obvious conclusion was that Tammuz, the power who had produced all these blessings, had died! So a dramatic lament for the dead god was held annually at the beginning of the hot, dry summer, in the fourth month of the Mesopotamian calendar (our late June and early July), the month that was named “Tammuz” after him. In the rites he was mourned by women who represented his bereaved mother, sister, and young widow.15
Among the abominations observed by Ezekiel before the Fifth Cycle of Discipline was the women weeping and wailing for Tammuz outside the Temple in Jerusalem. This was idolatry. The worship of Tammuz was primarily a woman's cult. Tammuz was represented as a handsome, attractive youth with no responsibilities (a philanderer). His death was mourned in the month of Tammuz (June-July) as the end of the growth of vegetation, and his resurrection was celebrated on New Year's in the Spring when Ishtar emerged from Hell with the resurrected Tammuz. Tammuz, thus, became associated with fire worship and the personification of the devil.
Tammuz was the demon-god with whom the Prostitute of Babylon (a real woman) copulated. Copulation with demons is the fundamental tenet of the worship of Satan. Many names have been given to the demons who impersonate Tammuz. The Latin incubus and the German mar, or mare, which mean to leap upon, refer to demons that attack women in their sleep to copulate. This is the origin of the nightmare. The demon can induce a dream, from which the victim often awakes in terror. The demon male counterpart, which seduces men, is called succubus. However, since demons have no gender, the same demon can impersonate both men and women. Case histories of such demons attacking people include: The demon sent to terrorize Saul (1 Samuel 16:14-23); Lilith, the night hag who impersonates a female (Isaiah 34:14) (note: Hebrew Lilith is translated "night monster" in the NAS Bible)
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Wow! I'd heard of lent and knew it was starting soon but I had no idea that it was a Roman Catholic tradition. It's interesting that there's a day right before abstaining from something where people are supposed to live it up and just gorge. I immediately thought of the Rapture when I read about the meaning of mardi gras because that's one of the reasons (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the Lord doesn't tell us the date of the Rapture: because if people knew when it would happen, they would live in sin until the last minute (not that that fools God, of course).
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Thanks, Buzz, for this great informative post about Mardi Gras. I knew that the MG wasn't anything that Christians should be associated with due to flagrant debauchery, but I had no idea of some of its roots that you discuss in your post. This is very enlightening, to say the least.
can anyone explain that to me.
several in my town such as http://whcomaha.org/229044.ihtml?eventid=5163190
I know are participating in Ash Wednesday and yet claim to be protestant churches (always thought Ash Wednesday was a catholic thing)
also, anyone thinks it is funny that some protestant churches that wont have
a wed. night service or bible study will participate in Ash Wednesday
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I suspect many are just waterdown catholic churches. And with low or no regard for the Word of God, all they have left is liturgy and customs.
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It is because they can't see or don't care about the slippery slope that leads to mystical, contemplative, romanist deception. It is quite popular right now. Lenten fads are sweeping across many circles. We even have an ecumenical sounding letter at work, supported by management, that promotes the "Lenten Spirit".
Lack of discernment and a worldly outlook are the culprits here.
Want fellowship with Rome? I don't.
Fasting and times of prayer are very scriptural and beneficial. Institutional programs that allow and promote participation in ritualized works without the parallel requisite of biblical/ scriptural absolutes promotes a lazy and unfounded experience. Once again the romanist method of corruption is seen in this pattern. They turn the thing that is supposed to point to God and Jesus, into the thing to be done, the act or the work becomes a tool or lever to extract grace from God. Lazy, ignorant and foolish. Lets just dumb down everything, lets make it easy, follow the system, get your grace here, light your candle, do your dips and bows. Head for the back door after you get your swipe of ash and magic cookie so you can spend the rest of the day with your reward on your forehead for all to see and marvel at your piety.
Please turn from Rome and their systems of false worship. Turn to Jesus, He alone is able to bring you into the Father's presence through His grace and power. Your efforts without Him at the beginning and end of all you do are futile.
my former church did not participate in Ash Wednesday..But the minister had written quite the lengthy scholarly paper on the "appropriateness" of protestant participation in Ash Wednesday.... heard him speak of it in passing several times...and he eventually gave me a copy...I think it may have been published in the Church of GOD magazine...or whatever...never could make myself read it...and from then on it was my cue to hunt another church......think I'll look for the piece...
Coincidentally, I passed a "Community Church" recently with a sign outside advertising "Ash Wed. Service."
I saw this trend some time ago in the way "faith" is being gradually replaced by "works" in otherwise
non-Catholic churches. Very sad to see.
My Church always has a Wed. service we attend. The season of Lent was mentioned and how a lot of people give up something they enjoy. (Our Church doesn't follow the rule of giving up something.) Our Pastor stated wouldn't it be great if instead of giving up something, if people instead tried to do something to come closer to Jesus. Fast, prayer, daily Scripture reading, etc.
Of course they would have Ash Wednesday the Protestant Church bascially came from the Catholic Church through the Reformation.
I don't even know what Ash Wed is all about? I've only heard about it over the years.
For the Eastern Orthodox religion I know that we started lent last Sunday (which I believe was Forgiveness Sunday). No, I don't do lent but unfortunately many of my religious family members do and it's a pain having any kind of meal with them until after Easter.
Praise God we are free in Christ from these traditional man made religious works.
GAL 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
GAL 5:2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
GAL 5:7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. 11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
GAL 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
GAL 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
The pastor at the church we attend announced last Sunday that they were having an Ash Wednesday service. I was appalled and wondered why. He encouraged all the small Bible study groups to go. (our group attended) Needless to say we didn't. Not happy about this at all!
Here is a post from an emergent church of a friend of mine:
"On Tuesday February 16, GCC will not be available for TNL. That night, we will be holding a Fat Tuesday event at Acoma. There are two gathering times – one at 6:30pm that will include elements for children, and the second at 8:00pm. Together we want to engage the Lenten idea of taking up a practice that encourages your faith or giving something up that may distract from it. For the Fat Tuesday event we ask that you bring a physical representation of what you are giving/taking up for Lent – together we will incorporate them as a visual concept piece at Acoma. The next day we will initiate Lent together through a traditional Ash Wednesday service. The 45 minute service of prayer, reflection, and worship will be both at 7:00am and 7:00pm at Acoma; childcare will not be provided."
I have a question:
I understand why we don't need to do these things, but not sure I understand what is wrong with doing these things as noted above? I mean--bringing in something to give or to take up--couldn't this be something good to encourage believers in their walk with God?
Last edited by mark1970; February 18th, 2010 at 10:21 AM. Reason: More complete statement