Beth Moore *merged*

[Comeuphither]

I listened to this the other day. He said something very important during this about context. We can pull a scripture out as long as we do not misuse it out of the context it was intended/written. I could not agree with him more about how important this is and how it does clear up interpretation issues when things are read in their context, and it's probably the first thing most throw out.

I appreciate the posting here. It was on a separate thread, so I played it then (and then listened to another,LOL).

Really appreciate this posting. I have been involved with a number of Beth Moore Bible studies, but eventually stopped because of questioning some of these same things being said.

Listening to this program and am getting more understanding of why I felt so uneasy in the Bible study.

Could you tell me the name of this recent Bible study, as I have friends who are still attending a Beth Moore Bible study.

Thanks for bringing this topic to our attention!

[billiefan2000]

Beth Moore's Dangerous Bible Twisting

I recently reviewed two segments of Beth Moore's "Bible teaching" on my radio program and I must admit I was bowled over by just how bad and dangerous her teaching really is.

I know she's popular but this woman is NOT rightly handling God's word. Instead, she is twisting the scriptures to her own destruction and the destruction of her hearers.


Take a listen for yourself. Not only is this bad, its downright dangerous false teaching!

http://www.extremetheology.com/2010/...-twisting.html

[billiefan2000]

A BETH MOORE EXPOSE
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Mar 11, 2010 in AM Missives, Current Issues, Features, Southern Baptist Convention

Apprising Ministries pieces like How Would You Know Beth Moore? I’ve shared my concerns about people like Moore who appear to claiming to receive special revelation directly from God. Like many in evangelicalism and Southern Baptist circles, e.g. Druckerite Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren, Moore’s teaching is often peppered with things she says the Lord told her personally.

We’d often hear this kind of thing from Word Faith heretics like T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen, who pray in an altered state of consciousness they call “tongues,” but with growing acceptance of corrupt Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism within evangelicalism—its Contemplative/Centering Prayer is another form of ”praying” in an altered state of consciousness—it’s even more common now than you may know.

Concerning Beth Moore Personal Freedom Outreach, a fine discernment and apologetics ministry, told us a couple of years ago:

following repeated requests for a critique of Beth Moore, PFO offered its first article which examined both the teaching found in her best-selling book, When Godly People Do Ungodly Things, and her unorthodox associations.

Because of the popularity of that initial evaluation, PFO received calls for additional articles surveying her unabashed mysticism and faulty biblical interpretations. To date, PFO has published a total of four articles examining Beth Moore, and these are available together as a special offer. (Online source)

Against this backdrop I now point you to the below segment from the Fighting for the Faith (FftF) program of Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough that airs on Pirate Christian Radio. Of this particular portion of FftF, over at his Extreme Theology website today, Rosebrough writes:

I recently reviewed two segments of Beth Moore’s “Bible teaching” on my radio program and I must admit I was bowled over by just how bad and dangerous her teaching really is. I know she’s popular but this woman is NOT rightly handling God’s word. Instead, she is twisting the scriptures to her own destruction and the destruction of her hearers.

Take a listen for yourself. Not only is this bad, it’s downright dangerous false teaching! (Online source)

You can also join in the lively discussion which has already been sparked over this FftF segment on Beth Moore in the comments section of the above post right here.


http://apprising.org/2010/03/11/a-beth-moore-expose/

[SaintTexas]

Happy to do so.

The one that we are talking about specifically on this thread is:

"Here and Now....There and Then: A Lecture Series on Revelation"

This was filmed last September-November in Houston and made available on DVD to the public this January.

The one on the posted radio broadcast is different and called "Don't Throw Away Your Confidence".

Again, let's all remember not to attack Beth Moore as a person. From the off-thread emails I have had, there are some who are upset at this thread, and I know that I have been deeply disappointed as I have worked through this study as issues have come up. We are here talking about whether she is rightly dividing God's Word or twisting scripture; in the case of the Revelation study, we are finding that issues with both; we all need to be dividing the Truth properly and be ready to throw out any bad theology we have adopted from our own wrong assumptions/interpretations and those we have learned from others. The issues are not just because we believe in a pre-trib Rapture, and she apparently does not anymore, though that could be construed as not rightly dividing God's Word. While many of us feel confident in our belief of a pre-Trib rapture as shown in the Lord's Word, healthy discussion of the scriptures to best understand what they say is a good thing---iron sharpening, if you will---and understanding takes patience, time and labor. I cannot believe how much I still don't understand and how many things I may miss, assume on a passage, or even misunderstand the context. It can happen to anyone. There have been multiple issues in each lesson so far, and only one of the issues is rapture timing. Our purpose on this board is to put the Lord's light, that of His Word, onto any and all public teachers and their teaching. When we mishandle the Truth, it has the potential to mislead in all kinds of ways and also to unfairly burden believers (with the law, as Christ talks about in his radio review that is posted here) instead of completely trusting in the Lord and the work He did alone on the cross. When we find out the truth (about someone teaching errantly), we should be rejoicing that our eyes have been opened to better understanding and discernment and not wishing we didn't know any better! I found myself facing just that when I really understood what was going on at our old megachurch. Was I going to close my eyes to it---on purpose and willfully and keep sitting there through what Rick Warren calls "bad church" in PDL (and says you are supposed to stay, except this was really errant teaching, and the Word says we confront and/or we leave)----or was I going to FOLLOW JESUS who is my Shepherd? Let's follow the Lord and not a man or woman and rejoice when we hear His voice by His Word.

I don't even read the "good list of Bible teachers" without remembering that they are just men and what they write is no replacement for the Lord's Word. And I am just a woman, easily trusting and easily deceived, which is what the Bible says that I am, so I put all my faith and trust in the Lord.

[SaintTexas]

Just an FYI on me and this study. I had updated here right before we went on spring break. I did some praying over going back and did some thoughtful consideration over the very wise words here about reasons not to. I have not gone back and will not go back. No more willingly and knowingly sitting under errant teaching. Beth Moore is a gifted speaker. She loves the Lord. But, for at the very least, in this study, she is not biblically sound in many areas. That is enough for me to remove myself.

[His Bride]

Just an FYI on me and this study. I had updated here right before we went on spring break. I did some praying over going back and did some thoughtful consideration over the very wise words here about reasons not to. I have not gone back and will not go back. No more willingly and knowingly sitting under errant teaching. Beth Moore is a gifted speaker. She loves the Lord. But, for at the very least, in this study, she is not biblically sound in many areas. That is enough for me to remove myself.

thanks, Saint Texas.....you came to a very wise decision!

[heart_changed99]

A friend on a networking site I am apart is offended by this link:

http://www.extremetheology.com/2010/...-twisting.html

They've raised the concern that this rebuke is not being done in a "Christian" manner, but a rather condescending one that disgusts them. They also mentioned the fact they if they didn't even know who Beth Moore was they would be turned off by this radio broadcast. I guess, since I am a "seasoned" Christian (if you will), it really didn't offend me. While listening to it, the thoughts did cross my mind that he was being overly condescending. Have I ruined my witness by posting this video? I just know a lot of people who are following after this speaker and felt compelled to post it. Perhaps, I could have found something better.

I'm just going to take a snippet of this concerned person's message:

God does not call us to spend our days picking through the teachings of Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Beth Moore, etc. He calls us to study the word, praise Him, pray, and share His word with others. This just really, really bothers me.....

Please pray for me. I will beat myself up over this. I should have exercised wisdom when posting something of this nature. Surely, Beth Moore has been shown the error in her ways/teaching, right? There are so many true believers whom may have followed her teaching that would call her out on it.

What are your thoughts?

[im4Jesus]

I couldn't listen to the entire link because I'm at work (on lunch break, but still in the office). The speaker does sound a little condescending, but he may be right. I think lots of people like Beth Moore -- she's very popular and is also attractive and a good speaker. But, it's true, especially in these last days, we need to be extremely careful what messages we listen to. The best way to increase our faith is still through prayer and Bible study. If we get too far from that, we may be allowing ourselves to venture into dangerous waters. Look at Rick Warren -- many mainstream churches promoted his books and studies, but he has revealed himself to be someone very different than many imagined -- and not in a good way.

So, I agree with you.

[NotAlone]

This is very problematic for me. On the 24th of this month, the church I attend will be hosting Beth Moore, live via satelite, teaching on this.

Thank you for posting this. I really needed to hear this because I was completely unaware!

[Christina]

I agree that we are to study the word, praise Him, pray, and share His word with others but we are also to contend for the faith. The word contend (Jude 1:3) in it's original text means to "agonize over", so we are to be aware of the false teachings and we are to rebuke them. Now...maybe the issue should not be so much with the rebuke but maybe with this person's tone? (I haven't been able to listen to the audio yet so I'm just making a suggestion). There is a reason that God tells us to be aware of false prophets, false teachers, false christ's, there is a reason that God tells us not to let ourselves be deceived, there is a reason that God commands us to contend for the faith.....and it's so that we don't fall into satan's traps. People really need to understand the difference between judging and rebuking, they are NOT the same thing.

[Nightelf]

Heart_Changed,

Regarding this quote from your friend:

God does not call us to spend our days picking through the teachings of Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Beth Moore, etc. He calls us to study the word, praise Him, pray, and share His word with others. This just really, really bothers me.....

Your friend is only half right here. The bolded part is SCRIPTURALLY WRONG. Remind your friends of Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

If the Bereans did this to the Apostle Paul.... and were praised for it, how much more should we examine ANYONE WHO PREACHES to see if what they say is true.!!

Take THAT back to your friends......

[texasgirl]

I agree with you. Too many people are looking to other people for guidance and what to do with issues, etc. What they need to do is put down all the self help manuels, other people's advice books, and "journals" with partial scripture on the corner and open up the BIBLE.

I was guilty of that myself. People just want feel good theology. It's time to step on some toes and wake people up. The Bible is not warm, fuzzy feel good all the time. Sometimes it hurts, rips your heart out, because you are convicted, you know what you have been doing is not of God. So some people at first will lash out at you for rebuking them, because deep down they know.

Sorry got on my soapbox....

((hugs))

[Tall Timbers]

Heart_Changed,

Regarding this quote from your friend:

Your friend is only half right here. The bolded part is SCRIPTURALLY WRONG. Remind your friends of Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

If the Bereans did this to the Apostle Paul.... and were praised for it, how much more should we examine ANYONE WHO PREACHES to see if what they say is true.!!

Take THAT back to your friends......

[BrideOfChrist]

I hate to say this, but from my perspective, Beth Moore has a cult-like following, which I find more than bizarre.

The comment you posted from your friend/acquaintence illustrates a grave problem in the body of Christ today, in that so few are willing to contend for the faith and point out errors that could do great damage to other believers or make us virtually indistinguishable from unbelievers. The church of Laodicea...lukewarm indeed.

[Meg]

If someone can please do it calmly, besides prosperity preaching, what is Moore doing wrong?

That being said, the clip on your link, HeartChanged sounds very rude and egotistical to me. Robert helped me with something I was trying to write a few weeks ago, and he said it wasn't what I was saying as much as how I was saying it. I felt he had an important point (he usually does), and I've been very mindful of that ever since.

That being said, if someone is following a teaching you are sure is false, first, zero in on the false point, and then give them something correct to hang on to. People look for teaching that addresses issues they are struggling with, and I personally thank God with all my heart that I went the first 5 years of seeking Him without a computer! The online arguing about theology got to me so badly that I had to call John at home last summer to get my head straight! People can and do zero in on one or two mistakes someone with a high profile makes and denounce everything else that person ever said. That doesn't seem to harm the wealth and fame of the teacher, but it does indeed do enormous damage to the poor individual believer who is badly in need of a lifeline to hold their faith together until they can get stronger.

Finally, that particular clip said it isn't Scripturally correct to develop self-confidence. To a point he's right, but, Jesus Christ doesn't want us to hate ourselves or each other either. Self-confidence is the opposite of self hatred, and running about apologizing for the fact that you exist isn't a very good Christian witness! I'm making friends with a woman at work, and we are giving each other the precious gift of kind words. We are helping each other overcome self doubts, and nothing could be more Christlike. "Love one another" means wish each other well! Beth Moore struggled with self doubts and self hatred for years, and she is trying to teach others what God taught her, I know that much. She's not my favorite teacher, but she's far from the worst either. At least she's not making false claims to healing or "holy laughter"...

[NewWorldOrder]

I'm listening to the program right now, and I don't think he's being condescending at all.

Beth Moore, along with many other teachers, usually take scripture out of context so they can push their self image, self confidence, self-help brand Christianity. Your friend is offended by it, because she's a Beth Moore groupie. I get the same kind of defensive attitude from people too, and it's not just Beth Moore, it's Joyce Meyer, Osteen, etc.

I agree with Nightelf, though. We are to be like the Bereans and test all teachings against the scriptures. If it doesn't match up, then it's garbage.

[NewWorldOrder]

Meg, there are a few threads over in the Apostasy forum about Beth Moore, if you want to learn more.

[NewWorldOrder]

ROFL!! I'm in the middle of the program and he's playing a spoof commercial for a music CD that praises "you". Which is what Beth Moore is doing in what she teaches.

I really like this program, and I'm going to post it on my FB page.

[Meg]

Nothing like mockery to glorify God...

[NewWorldOrder]

I'm now about 47 minutes in, and now he's getting very condescending. He's obviously frustrated, but he's showing it through the comments and the tone of his voice. I still agree with him on just about everything.