Having Eyes To See.......

[carlos.c304]

I used to respond to posts regularly but with things moving at the break-neck pace that they are, all I can do is just gape in jaw hanging wonder. I can hardly imagine what the tribulation will be like. At one time I couldn't understand how people could miss the signs during the trib. Today the signs of Christs return are overwhelmingly clear, yet most people, even some in the church, seem to not see. I am in shock that Bible believing, God fearing Christians don't see what is taking place. I am on sensory overload from it all, yet when I try to talk to some people in the church about it I get patronized like a child . I don't claim to be any more spiritually in tune with things than anyone else but the blindness that covers some peoples eyes is, well, it's something. Is it that they can't see? Are they in denial? I don't know. What I do know is that there are fewer that see than should be. The groundwork for a one world government, one world currency, one world religion, ect. is firmly in place and beginning to take shape before our very eyes, yet people either can't or won't see. Is this the beginning of the strong delusion spoken of in the Bible? God knows, but spirtual blindness abounds here where I live in West Virginia. Does anyone else see this in their part of the world?

God Bless

[Caver]

I used to respond to posts regularly but with things moving at the break-neck pace that they are, all I can do is just gape in jaw hanging wonder. I can hardly imagine what the tribulation will be like. At one time I couldn't understand how people could miss the signs during the trib. Today the signs of Christs return are overwhelmingly clear, yet most people, even some in the church, seem to not see. I am in shock that Bible believing, God fearing Christians don't see what is taking place. I am on sensory overload from it all, yet when I try to talk to some people in the church about it I get patronized like a child . I don't claim to be any more spiritually in tune with things than anyone else but the blindness that covers some peoples eyes is, well, it's something. Is it that they can't see? Are they in denial? I don't know. What I do know is that there are fewer that see than should be. The groundwork for a one world government, one world currency, one world religion, ect. is firmly in place and beginning to take shape before our very eyes, yet people either can't or won't see. Is this the beginning of the strong delusion spoken of in the Bible? God knows, but spirtual blindness abounds here where I live in West Virginia. Does anyone else see this in their part of the world?

God Bless

Ya nailed it and this very topic has been a much discussed topic in the Caver household.

The only thing that seems to make sense here is a "gift", a latter day type spiritual gift.

I think that most acknowledge that when one becomes a believer, the Holy Spirit gives each of us one of several spiritural gifts that we are to use in furthering His kingdom. Could this be a new "gift", applicable to the latter days....the interest in and ability to see, understand, and relate today's news to scripture and the "lateness of the hour"?

If so, how are we to use it? What are we supposed to do with this "gift" and knowledge and understanding? That's our delima. Even rock solid Brothers and Sisters in Christ don't seem to want to discuss it, or can't see it, or don't think its important.

All we can think of is that we continue to watch, spread the word when we can, and be ready.....somehow and in some way, we are going to be presented with the opportunity to use it when it will mean something.

One final thought, is simply being here on RR, reading and commenting using it? We have to wonder....look at the growth in membership and then look at the number of people coming here and reading but not joining......you just have to wonder. Look at the number of "views" on some threads......huge numbers are reading. Are we doing our job simply by being here, being informed and communicating and fellowshiping in a public way with others that have been granted this "gift"?

We really aren't sure, by any means. We do not have the time to spend here that we used to yet feel compelled to be here at least an hour a day.

[HeartReadyFleshWeak]

Wow- both your comments hit me like a ton of bricks.

On October 28, 1973, I was at college, and the apartment I was living in burned down (I was in bed sleeping- the fire started at 4:30 a.m.). I remember sitting on a hill later that day overlooking the dorm, it was a sunny day, I was listening to birds cheerping, and the old Sly and the Family Stone song was ringing in my head- "I just want to celebrate, another day of living." As I sat there, I became convinced, "God has a purpose for my life. I should have died last night."

SIDE NOTE: My apartment was completely destroyed. The ceiling was gone. The walls were gone. My bed was nothing but chared springs laying on the floor.

Last night, I was thinking about why I "seem to understand" what is happening in our world, when most of the people (family, friends, work) I know don't see it. October 28, 1973, poped into my mind. God has a purpose for all of us. Keep the good fight, and let people know about Jesus!

[Waiting4Jesus]

Oh, WOW, HRFW!!!!! It's amazing you were saved from that!!!

Caver, your comments are very thought-provoking. I believe WE ARE THE "WATCHERS." I also wonder how ELSE we are to "use" this discernment we have. When you try to TELL others what you are seeing about the End Times, they just think you are crazy!!!

Maybe being on RR...and knowing that thousands and thousands of people read our posts, actually IS enough??? Or should we be DOING something more? WHAT should we be doing, exactly??? What do y'all think??

[ReadytoGoNow]

Yes and yes. I agree. To me it is so obvious the times we are living in. The only ones I can talk to about is is my Mom & Dad (ages 80 & 89 respectively) Mom even says now she wouldn't be surprised at all if they see the rapture given the way things are happening. Her Dad taught them as children about end times. I feel blessed to have been born into this kind of family. Other than them and RR no one else even talks about it. Not the churches. I actually wondered if was regional. Mom was from Missouri and I grew up in central Illinois. Our churches always taught end times and the rapture. Now living in northern Minnesota i get if I even mention it.
People are so consumed with their pocketbooks and day to day living they aren't aware or concerned with the world around them.
What CAN we do with the knowledge we have when no one wants to hear it? I don't mind if people think I'm "out there", but what good is telling them at this point if that is all they think?

[JABowman]

It's not just you. I go to Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Va. , the late Rev. Falwell's church. His son Jonathan took over as pastor after his dad passed away. I knew Dr. Falwell since I was like 12, and as long back as I can remember Dr. Falwell would talk about the end times and that we were rapidly moving towards them. However his son never mentions end times other than at the alter call at the end of the service when he says Jesus could come today. But that's it, he never speaks of the end-times. I have actually started looking for a different church because I feel like Jonathan isn't doing his job as pastor, he's leaving out 1/3 of what the Bible teaches. The sermons are very watered down compared to his dad's sermons, and they are on the verge of being "emergent" sermons.

[Caver]

When you try to TELL others what you are seeing about the End Times, they just think you are crazy!!!

Maybe being on RR...and knowing that thousands and thousands of people read our posts, actually IS enough??? Or should we be DOING something more? WHAT should we be doing, exactly??? What do y'all think??

You are right....for now. That' the unknown. Are we being taught and grown and prepared for when things get reall bad and more obvious....and folk are ready to listen to answers? We don't know but we do speculate and talk about it a lot.

[Zion]

Wow- both your comments hit me like a ton of bricks.

On October 28, 1973, I was at college, and the apartment I was living in burned down (I was in bed sleeping- the fire started at 4:30 a.m.). I remember sitting on a hill later that day overlooking the dorm, it was a sunny day, I was listening to birds cheerping, and the old Sly and the Family Stone song was ringing in my head- "I just want to celebrate, another day of living." As I sat there, I became convinced, "God has a purpose for my life. I should have died last night."

SIDE NOTE: My apartment was completely destroyed. The ceiling was gone. The walls were gone. My bed was nothing but chared springs laying on the floor.

Last night, I was thinking about why I "seem to understand" what is happening in our world, when most of the people (family, friends, work) I know don't see it. October 28, 1973, poped into my mind. God has a purpose for all of us. Keep the good fight, and let people know about Jesus!

I always thought that song was by Rare Earth.."I just want to celebrate another day of living...I just want to celebrate another day of life."
Anyhoo, I think we all get excited at current events because we are looking forward in anticipation of Christ's return. We are promised a special crown for looking forward to this event (2 Timothy 4:8). Some people in my church as well as a previous church I attended seem interested in prophecy, but others are not. I think they will get rewards for service in other areas; God made us all different. It might get boring if everyone had the same interests. So God gave us different abilities and interests.

[SheHulk]

Ya nailed it and this very topic has been a much discussed topic in the Caver household.

The only thing that seems to make sense here is a "gift", a latter day type spiritual gift.

I think that most acknowledge that when one becomes a believer, the Holy Spirit gives each of us one of several spiritural gifts that we are to use in furthering His kingdom. Could this be a new "gift", applicable to the latter days....the interest in and ability to see, understand, and relate today's news to scripture and the "lateness of the hour"?

If so, how are we to use it? What are we supposed to do with this "gift" and knowledge and understanding? That's our delima. Even rock solid Brothers and Sisters in Christ don't seem to want to discuss it, or can't see it, or don't think its important.

All we can think of is that we continue to watch, spread the word when we can, and be ready.....somehow and in some way, we are going to be presented with the opportunity to use it when it will mean something.

One final thought, is simply being here on RR, reading and commenting using it? We have to wonder....look at the growth in membership and then look at the number of people coming here and reading but not joining......you just have to wonder. Look at the number of "views" on some threads......huge numbers are reading. Are we doing our job simply by being here, being informed and communicating and fellowshiping in a public way with others that have been granted this "gift"?

We really aren't sure, by any means. We do not have the time to spend here that we used to yet feel compelled to be here at least an hour a day.

I don't know if this would be a New gift, but perhaps a version of Word of Knowledge or Word of Wisdom. Or simply the Holy Spirit operating as He always has, making the Word alive to those who wish to understand.

[Iruntherace4Him]

I used to respond to posts regularly but with things moving at the break-neck pace that they are, all I can do is just gape in jaw hanging wonder. I can hardly imagine what the tribulation will be like. At one time I couldn't understand how people could miss the signs during the trib. Today the signs of Christs return are overwhelmingly clear, yet most people, even some in the church, seem to not see. I am in shock that Bible believing, God fearing Christians don't see what is taking place. I am on sensory overload from it all, yet when I try to talk to some people in the church about it I get patronized like a child . I don't claim to be any more spiritually in tune with things than anyone else but the blindness that covers some peoples eyes is, well, it's something. Is it that they can't see? Are they in denial? I don't know. What I do know is that there are fewer that see than should be. The groundwork for a one world government, one world currency, one world religion, ect. is firmly in place and beginning to take shape before our very eyes, yet people either can't or won't see. Is this the beginning of the strong delusion spoken of in the Bible? God knows, but spirtual blindness abounds here where I live in West Virginia. Does anyone else see this in their part of the world?

God Bless

It concerns me that many in the body of Christ are asleep..

[skypair]

carlos.c304,

One huge obstacle is that most churches have been taught that the church is an extension of or replaced Israel in scripture. Therefore, they believe that the next event is the coming of Messiah/Christ, not the coming of AntiChrist. So, yes, their "strong delusion" is actually sent by God (2Thes 2:11) to Jew and Gentile alike that AntiChrist is Christ! It will be just as Jesus said it would, "I come in my Father's name and they reject me, but someday one will come in his own name; him they will accept!"

The next problem is that "all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." (2Pet 3:4) There is nothing you can point to that is a "sign" for them. In fact, what might convince them that something is up would be a huge wave of ecumenicism -- as if all Christians were finally preparing the kingdom for Christ's return! But that, again, is the 'delusion' at work.

They've seen or heard about the "Left Behind" series, etal. and look at believers in that as "cult-like" followers of, say, Star Wars.

I think you have to lead them to Christ first and then they will have the "spiritual tools" to understand our privileges and responsibilities as believers.

skypair

[Charitoo]

This is a great thread.

I am surrounded by many believers of varying faiths, as well as many unbelievers, also of every type. I do not hear many people talking about endtime issues, but then, I have been Rapture Ready for 30 years and people have not really ever been inclined to discuss it much. Certainly less and less as time has gone by.

I make it a point to say, "Have I told you lately that Jesus is coming?" when I discuss what's going on around the world, and especially here in the US. The comments back are telling. Some believers smile and nod, as if to say, "Isn't she cute w/those old fashioned ideas?" Others make a comment suggesting that I could be right, or that thinking about that scares them, but rarely can I engage believers in a good discussion about the Rapture.

I know FaceBook has been largely discussed here, but I use it as a tool to alert/warn the hundreds of friends that I have on FB, both saved and lost. Also, I have been making renewed attempts at passing out tracts when I run errands, etc.

I never considered that maybe I have a gift in that I am Rapture-conscious. That's an awesome perspective. If that is true, then I will continue to use my gift in the ways that I have been.

So happy to have a place to discuss these things!!!

[skypair]

I never considered that maybe I have a gift in that I am Rapture-conscious. That's an awesome perspective. If that is true, then I will continue to use my gift in the ways that I have been.

To some, what you have is "previent grace" -- the leading edge of the gospel of Jesus Christ today!

skypair

[lovinghisgrace]

I used to respond to posts regularly but with things moving at the break-neck pace that they are, all I can do is just gape in jaw hanging wonder. I can hardly imagine what the tribulation will be like. At one time I couldn't understand how people could miss the signs during the trib. Today the signs of Christs return are overwhelmingly clear, yet most people, even some in the church, seem to not see. I am in shock that Bible believing, God fearing Christians don't see what is taking place. I am on sensory overload from it all, yet when I try to talk to some people in the church about it I get patronized like a child . I don't claim to be any more spiritually in tune with things than anyone else but the blindness that covers some peoples eyes is, well, it's something. Is it that they can't see? Are they in denial? I don't know. What I do know is that there are fewer that see than should be. The groundwork for a one world government, one world currency, one world religion, ect. is firmly in place and beginning to take shape before our very eyes, yet people either can't or won't see. Is this the beginning of the strong delusion spoken of in the Bible? God knows, but spirtual blindness abounds here where I live in West Virginia. Does anyone else see this in their part of the world?

God Bless

I see this all around me. I have believers around me that don't see the signs being tossed at us from every direction. I try to point things out, open their eyes and all I get are blank stares or head shaking at me like I am a crazy person. Some think I force the pieces of this puzzle together, but I think you hit the nail on the head. DENIAL. I think most don't want to hear about the coming of the End of time as we know it. It scares them, so they don't want to hear about it. I am with you that all this stuff is taking shape now and people need to know. Maybe they are in denial, but I feel it is our duty to pull these folks from their denial, or atleast as many as we can, and get them to see the light as it is appearing to the rest of us.

[fan4sure]

I see this all around me. I have believers around me that don't see the signs being tossed at us from every direction. I try to point things out, open their eyes and all I get are blank stares or head shaking at me like I am a crazy person. Some think I force the pieces of this puzzle together, but I think you hit the nail on the head. DENIAL. I think most don't want to hear about the coming of the End of time as we know it. It scares them, so they don't want to hear about it. I am with you that all this stuff is taking shape now and people need to know. Maybe they are in denial, but I feel it is our duty to pull these folks from their denial, or atleast as many as we can, and get them to see the light as it is appearing to the rest of us.

I tend to agree with your line of thought. In my experience, I find that people I know to be Christians, neighbors, family, seem to have the "head in the sand" syndrome. Denial is quite right! They don't even watch the news and don't want to talk about what is going on around us. I find this frustrating as I think we are to be watchful and it's important to our witness to let people know what is going on in these endtimes. It just seems people would rather not know and don't want to talk about it. I want to shout it from the rooftop!!

[Twinkie]

I also agree, I see the same thing in my area. Even my dad had blinders on and would look at me like I was a nut. I kept plugging away with a comment here and there. Well the other day I think his blinders are starting to come off. We were making plans for Feb of 2011 and he stated "well if we are even here". I asked dad if he was refering to the rapture and he was. I am thankful because there is very few people I can talk with about the end times.

I do think this is a gift (having eyes to see). I know all of us are planting seeds and we may not see the growth but our words are not always falling on deaf ears, some will hear.

[EarsToHear]

Say what you can when you can. Most won't accept it. We're called to speak regardless of the reaction due to blindness.

[Christina]

My parents are born again believers and have been for 29 years. I was the "prodigal" daughter, I'M the one that disputed their faith growing up, I'M the one that you "couldn't talk to" and after mom praying for me for many years (as mom puts it), now I'm excited to be able to have conversations with them, HOWEVER, when I approached dad to engage in a conversation about end times and the Rapture (which I try to do frequently each time something new happens in Israel or with Israel and her enemies), now dad tells me I'm obssessed , what a punch to the gut I'll tell ya . So, now I keep my thoughts to myself (and my RR family) and when I visit mom and dad we don't talk about our faith at all, how sad is that, eh?

[EarsToHear]

My parents are born again believers and have been for 29 years. I was the "prodigal" daughter, I'M the one that disputed their faith growing up, I'M the one that you "couldn't talk to" and after mom praying for me for many years (as mom puts it), now I'm excited to be able to have conversations with them, HOWEVER, when I approached dad to engage in a conversation about end times and the Rapture (which I try to do frequently each time something new happens in Israel or with Israel and her enemies), now dad tells me I'm obssessed , what a punch to the gut I'll tell ya . So, now I keep my thoughts to myself (and my RR family) and when I visit mom and dad we don't talk about our faith at all, how sad is that, eh?

Sad, but discerning. I was speaking of salvation only in my above post, not other issues that would cause further division.

[LookingUplinda]

My parents are born again believers and have been for 29 years. I was the "prodigal" daughter, I'M the one that disputed their faith growing up, I'M the one that you "couldn't talk to" and after mom praying for me for many years (as mom puts it), now I'm excited to be able to have conversations with them, HOWEVER, when I approached dad to engage in a conversation about end times and the Rapture (which I try to do frequently each time something new happens in Israel or with Israel and her enemies), now dad tells me I'm obssessed , what a punch to the gut I'll tell ya . So, now I keep my thoughts to myself (and my RR family) and when I visit mom and dad we don't talk about our faith at all, how sad is that, eh?

prodigal here too who everyone thinks is now NUTZ. So greatful for my RR family