Here is a video of Nan about the book. VIDEO
Here is a video of Nan about the book. VIDEO
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IMHO, I think the proponents of this view draw from Israel's Kingdom truths and (mis-)apply it to the Church... thereby making it possible for a Church-age believer to be altogether excluded from the Millennial kingdom (based on "reward" or, rather, lack thereof). Using the various "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages, and so forth (which I don't have time to go into, right now).
There was a fairly good discussion about it (maybe even two, if I recall correctly). Not sure if it would be possible to find those threads now though...
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What did you mean when you commented on your frustration with regard to the Methodist couple?
Trust me, I'm not a bit upset/offended, however I do attend a Methodist church (so that is why I am curious ). Now I WILL say, I feel as though I stand alone with my passion for End Time prophecy and no one I talk to seems to "get" the lateness of the hour in today's world. Even my beloved (Christian) mom, tells me, "Now sweetie, people have been saying the same thing for hundreds of years ( Rapture being close), and the fact remains- none of us know God's time table, we could be looking at hundreds of years more before the Rapture and Christ's return". Our church never mentions a word about The End Times, both my sons attend a private (Baptist) Christian school and this topic is never mentioned there, either.
I'm not trying to sound rude or judgemental, but... "What is wrong with everyone?? Can they not see what's going on all around us? Have they not read God's Word, where this IS all spelled out?
I live in "The Bible Belt", yet it appears to me some one's taken off that belt and forgotten where they last left it... I live in a fabulous, Christ-centered town, but the only mention of the Rapture seems to be coming from me alone. I find this astonishing and frightening!
I really want to thank everyone who has shared their feelings and experiences about this. It helps me to persevere knowing I am not alone. It has touched me more than any of you can imagine. I feel so isolated sometimes because there is no one here to talk to about this. RR is the only place I can talk about this stuff and not have to feel like an outcast. I thank God for each and every one of you who have helped to give me the courage to press on telling people Jesus is coming very soon. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
I always think of how blessed we all are here at RR, to come here on a daily basis and fellowship and learn with like minded believers, read articles of news not presented anywhere else, especially on our filtered media. Finding out things that are happening the world over and how they all pertain to end times in the bible. We can come here, ask questions, read articles presented by our many scholarly members and learn from them daily. Knowing that we can share here with our fellow Brothers and Sisters and not be riduculed or scorned. Especially when we want to share our Blessed Hope with others and they want no part of it, its like banging your head against a brick wall.
I guess what I really wanted to say was that RR is a blessing for all members and those who are just lerkers and I would like to personnaly thank all our Adm and mods for giving us such a warm place to fellowship while we wait for the Rapture.
1 John 4 : 4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
To Mish: Regarding your mom and what she said to you, I've had the same experience with at least several members of the church I attend- I start talking about the rapture and it 'doesn't compute' with them. But that won't stop it from coming when it does and they just might be a bit surprised .
**all of the poetry posted under this username was composed by me; Dee M. aka ThankfulHeart, to the glory of God**
In God is my salvation and my glory; The rock of my strength, And my refuge, is in God
For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. (Colossians 3:3)
I hear ya, Carlos!!! I have NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON I can talk to about the Rapture, in "real life." That is why I am so grateful for RR!!!!!!!!! It is astounding to me that even many Believers are very FRIGHTENED by talk of the Rapture and will have none of it!!!I feel so isolated sometimes because there is no one here to talk to about this. RR is the only place I can talk about this stuff and not have to feel like an outcast.
There are so many parts of this thread I want to comment on.
- "Watered down sermons" yes yes and yes. I can't remember the last time I heard the word "sin" from my pastor. And he's in his 50's and that word USED to be in his vocabulary. Everything is feel good, don't make anyone uncomfortable, so don't talk about the tough stuff.
- The concept that there's no hell...and subsequently no heaven or end times. That's just an EXCUSE for me to sin and not feel guilty. I mean if there's no Hell....and no judgement...what's it matter if I do this one little thing? Then you make the leap to "kingdom now" and "heaven on earth," etc....because it's all about ME.
- I need to accomodate other religions, rather than demanding that they recognize me. After all, I'm a global, informed citizen, and [fill-in-the-blank] worships the same God, and who am I to judge them? So instead of insisting on my Christian identity, I'll adapt to your world view. Everything is about acceptance, tolerance and change -- without ever stopping to think that I've lost a key component of my faith along the way.
In terms of witnessing to family members and friends, I approach it over a series of conversations -- tied to US politics, world events, scripture. Maybe I don't approach it strongly enough -- but most of them do agree with what I've laid out...and the ones who don't, are generally those who've drank the Obama kool-aid. Part of the discernment I've been pushing -- is understanding how corrupt and mixed up things are right now...
...be ready, be right with God, understand what you will or will not do. Would you die for Jesus? What about your kids, spouse, siblings? That's the question I ask. How deep is your faith?
Excellent posts and when I see the signs unfolding right before us, I'm like 'How can you NOT see it'? I think some of it may be willful ignorance, akin to an ostrich who hides his head in the sand. And I think others are so enticed by the trappings of the world, they really ARE blind to it.
My Rapture/Left Behind Message
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast.
A Government big enough to give you anything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have