The U.N. "Palestinian" Statehood bid thread *Merged*

[Kvat3r]

You guys...the time is so ripe for the AC and it looks as if the EU is finally stepping up to the plate.....With all the other things going on...I would say our time is growing shorter by the day.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...817116,00.html

[LightOfMyLife]

I hope this means we will be home for Christmas. I we are going heavenbound just in time for Christmas. There is no place like home & being with Jesus, and all our saved loved ones!

[Kvat3r]

I hope this means we will be home for Christmas. I we are going heavenbound just in time for Christmas. There is no place like home & being with Jesus, and all our saved loved ones!

I sure hope so............. I've been hoping to feast with Jesus for a VERY long time. Any Christmas would be wonderful, but this Christmas would be IDEAL!

[sherrimae]

Just saying it's the first step toward statehood doesn't make it true.

[ChristIsKing2008]

Who knows, but its interesting whats happening all the same

[WILLIAMBEASON1842]

You guys...the time is so ripe for the AC and it looks as if the EU is finally stepping up to the plate.....With all the other things going on...I would say our time is growing shorter by the day.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...817116,00.html

Scripture clearly shows that Israel will make a treaty-coveant with the AC which most of us believe will come from the EU-Revived Roman Empiere or whatever is will be call at that time. I don't believe the Church will see this happen, but do believe we will probably see Isaiah 17, and maybe part of Gog Magog but IMHO I believe the Rapture will happen before Gog Magog.

[steph1962]

'No temporary Palestinian state'

Abbas calls for resumption of serious negotiations on full statehood.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday he rejects the establishment of a Palestinian state in temporary borders, in an apparent response to media reports that Israel was trying to revive the proposal.

Instead, Abbas suggested that Israel and the Palestinians resume serious negotiations on the terms of full Palestinian statehood, adding that such talks should wrap up within two years.

Such a proposal is also part of the US-backed Road Map peace plan as an interim step toward full independence. The temporary state would only be established on parts of the territory the Palestinians want for their state. However, the Road Map never got off the ground and the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected provisional statehood, fearing the temporary borders would become the final ones.

"We won't accept a state with temporary borders," Abbas told leaders of his Fatah movement Saturday.

US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton also brushed aside the notion when asked about it Friday. "So there's a lot of ideas that have been floated around, but at the end of the day it's only the Israelis and Palestinians who can make decisions for themselves," she said.

entire article:
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=173815

[drjoshua]

This drives me nuts!

[steph1962]

Fayyad: Ready for statehood by Aug. ’11

28/04/2010
PA prime minister may be planning a unilateral declaration of independence.

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad is quietly changing the rules of the Arab-Israeli conflict with a simple credo: Palestinians have to build their state now and cannot wait for a peace deal with Israel.
He is moving ahead with an ambitious plan to get the Palestinians ready for statehood by August 2011, by trying to build it from the ground up: paving roads, reforming the judiciary, planning new cities.

The US-trained economist has been showered with praise, money and support by America and Europe. Official Israel has said little, though some in Israel express concern that Fayyad is spearheading a Palestinian strategy to bypass negotiations, declare a de facto state and seek international recognition for it.

Fayyad believes success creates its own momentum, that presenting a compelling case for a Palestinian state will make it inevitable. But he stops short of saying the Palestinians would declare independence on their own. (The Palestinian National Council, the legislative body of the PLO, already did so in Algiers in 1988.)

“The thinking was, by around mid-2011, if the political process will not have produced an end to the occupation... the reality of a Palestinian state would force itself on the political process, on the world,” Fayyad said in a recent interview conducted in his motorcade driving through the West Bank.

entire article:
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Arti...medium=twitter

[drjoshua]

[steph1962]

'PA expects prerequisites for statehood within year'

30/08/2010
Fayyad reportedly announces second year of institutional capacity-building for future Palestinian nation; PA releases report of first-year achievements.

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad announced his intention to continue moving forward with the second year of a two-year program of institutional capacity-building to lay the groundwork for a future Palestinian state at a cabinet meeting held in Ramallah on Monday.

A document released by Fayyad's office forecasted that the PA would complete all the major reforms and initiatives necessary for the creation of an independent state within the coming year.

A report released two weeks ago by the PA government listed a number of “achievements” toward building institutions and infrastructure in the West Bank over the past 16 months.

According to the report, the Fayyad government built 34 new schools and expanded another 23. Eleven new clinics were opened, while another 30 were expanded, the report said.

It also discussed the establishment of 44 housing projects in various parts of the West Bank, as well as the construction of 16 new roads.

In addition, the PA government took credit for renovating another 40 roads and planting 370,000 trees.

The report said the achievements had been made despite “Israeli occupation restrictions and obstacles.”

“While we were building new houses, the Israeli authorities stepped up the process of house demolitions, including in occupied east Jerusalem,” the report claimed.

The Fayyad government also accused Israel of erecting 500 “impediments” at a time when the PA was paving 157 kilometers of new roads in the West Bank.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=186474

[steph1962]

Netanyahu Claims Nation Agrees to PA State

September 13, 2010

A grass-roots organization has written to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to protest what it calls his “false” declaration that a Palestinian state is a matter of national consensus.

The Prime Minister's website reports that Netanyahu had said on Sunday that while the PA refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, he himself has expressed repeatedly that Israel recognizes “the Palestinian national state.” Netanyahu said that this was a matter of “national agreement.”

However, Mattot Arim, a Rehovot-based “peace-for-peace” (rather than "land-for peace") organization founded in 1992, wrote to Netanyahu that in fact, “The sane majority in Israel certainly does not favor a Palestinian state… This mis-information or dis-information is therefore not helpful, and should be corrected.”

Mattot Arim spokesperson Susie Dym noted that the institutions of Israel's ruling party, the Likud, are “on record to this day opposing [a Palestinian state], as are many senior Likud ministers including popular Cabinet Minister Dr. Benny Begin, Environment Minister Gilad Erdan (just last week), and even Finance Minister and ex-pro-Palestinian activist Dr. Yuval Steinitz.”

Mattot Arim also noted opposition to a Palestinian state within several other political parties and in various public opinion surveys. Israel Our Home, Shas, the National Union and the Jewish Home parties are against a Palestinian state, and in Rehovot, the mayor, his electoral opponent, and two-thirds of the city council signed a statement opposing a Palestinian state.

Tel Aviv University's War and Peace Index in May 2009 found that the majority (52 percent) of Israeli Jews opposed a two-state solution if this required "substantial concessions" by Israel. Another TAU survey, conducted a year earlier, found that by a large majority (73:20), Israeli Jews believed a Palestinian state would not solve the Israel-Palestinian conflict. IMRA's Brain Base poll of July 2009 found that 70 percent of Israeli Jews felt autonomy in Judea and Samaria better served Israel's interest than Palestinian statehood, while only 15 percent supported Palestinian statehood instead.

Netanyahu himself, addressing the Likud Central Committee in April 2002, said,"The biggest mistake that can be made is to promise [the Palestinians] the establishment of their own independent state.” He explained why:

“We [would] want to ensure that such an entity does not receive more than self-rule. But it will demand all the powers of a state, such as controlling borders, bringing in weapons, control of airspace and the ability to knock down any Israeli plane that enters its area, [and] the ability to sign peace treaties and military alliances with other countries. Once you give them a state, you give them all these things, even if there is an agreement to the contrary, for within a short time they will demand all these things, and they will assume these powers, and the world will stand by and do nothing - but it *will* stop us from trying to stop them...
"We will thus have created with our own hands a threat to our very existence. On the day that we sign an agreement for a state with limited authorities, what will happen if the Palestinians do what the Germans did after World War I, when they nullified the demilitarized zone? The world did nothing then, and the world will do nothing now as well. Even now, the Palestinians are removing all the restrictions to which they agreed in Oslo – they are smuggling in arms, polluting the water sources, building an army, making military deals with Iran and others, and more…

"But when we try to take action against this, the world opposes us – and not them... Arafat said it best when talking to reporters the day he signed the Oslo Accords: 'Since we can't defeat Israel in war, we must do it in stages, we must take whatever area of Palestine we can get, establish sovereignty there, and then at the right time, we will have to convince the Arab nations to join us in dealing the final blow to Israel.'

"We need not be concerned that the international community does not agree with us on this matter. Did the international community foresee the Holocaust? And if it did, did it do anything about it? Did it even lift a finger? It also did nothing about the threat to our existence that faced us from the Iraqi reactor – except to condemn us when Menachem Begin’s government destroyed it… On matters vital to our existence, we always took clear action, even if others didn’t agree with us. Because the bottom line is that saying 'Yes' to a Palestinian state means 'No' to a Jewish State – and vice-versa.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139600

[steph1962]

Abbas may circumvent Israel, ask U.S. to recognize Palestinian state

October 9, 2010

Unilateral declaration considered if peace talks with Israel remain in limbo, though previous pronouncements have been received coolly.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has told Arab leaders he may seek U.S. recognition for a Palestinian state, which would include all of the West Bank, should peace talks with Israel break down, an aide said on Saturday.

The idea, raised during Arab League deliberations in Libya on Friday, would place new pressure on Israel to extend a recently expired freeze on construction of settlements in the West Bank - a Palestinian condition for continuing recently relaunched direct peace negotiations.

Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said "alternatives" to the face-to-face talks launched five weeks ago had been discussed, among them "ask(ing) the United States to recognize the state of Palestine on the 1967 borders."

"[Another] is to study the possibility of going to the [United Nations] Security Council to get a resolution that calls upon member states to recognize the state of Palestine on the 1967 borders," he told Reuters by telephone from the Libyan town of Sirte.

Palestinians want a state in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and in the Gaza Strip - territory that Israel captured from Jordan and Egypt in the 1967 war. Israel quit Gaza in 2005 but insists on keeping all of Jerusalem and swathes of West Bank settlements under any peace accord.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu imposed a partial 10-month freeze on settlement construction last November in what he called a goodwill gesture to get negotiations started.

But Netanyahu, whose coalition government includes pro-settler parties, has resisted international pressure to extend the moratorium past its scheduled expiry last month.

Past proposals for Palestinian statehood to be declared without Israeli consent have been received coolly by the United States and other world powers, who want a negotiated solution though they regard the settlements as illegitimate.

The Palestinians say settlements would deny them a viable state, which they envisage having East Jerusalem as its capital.

"I cannot specify all the alternatives that were presented by President Abbas [to the Arab League], but the president will keep working with the American administration to achieve a full cessation of settlement activities in order to restart talks," Erekat said.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...state-1.318005

[TaliaKirana]

And with our president, he would recognize a Palestinian state.

[sherrimae]

If Obama does that he really will ignite a war in the Middle East. Israel would have no choice but to fight.

[steph1962]

FM: Prepare for Unilateral Declaration of PA State

October 25, 2010

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has called on Foreign Ministry staff to prepare for a unilateral declaration of a PA state.

The PA is currently seeking UN approval for such a declaration.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/196539

[steph1962]

Israel FM drafts response to unilateral Palestinian state

Israel's Foreign Ministry planners are preparing a report on possible responses to the unilateral deceleration of a Palestinian state, British news wire Reuters reported on Monday.

The report follows the apparent break-down of direct negotiations between Palestinian and Israeli leaders over settlement activity, which the government refused to halt, despite international pressure and US efforts calling on Israel to extend its 10-month partial moratorium.

In early October, the Arab League said it would be giving the US one month to resolve the issue of settlements, following which it said it would consider approaching the UN Security Council in a bid to establish a Palestinian state.

Reuters reported that the contingency plan on unilateral Palestinian statehood was commissioned by Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in conjunction with a report on how to prepare for a nuclear-armed Iran.

A senior political source told the British news wire that ministry strategists have been ordered to draft a paper on "what to do if we wake up and discover the Iranians have a nuclear weapon."

Netanyahu's office declined comment on the Lieberman initiative. A senior Israeli official told Reuters: "The government's position is that all attempts have to be made to prevent Iran from going nuclear."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=327329

[Lucid]

The United Nations backs Palestinian efforts to be ready for statehood by August and believes they will achieve that goal, the organization's Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Robert H. Serry said Monday.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=192836

Think it'll be another year before things between the Palestinians & Israel boil over when statehood is officially declared?

[Miss Luci]

FM: Prepare for Unilateral Declaration of PA State



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/196539

If this occurs, it looks like to me that the beginning of Zechariah’s prophecy is in the making, where Jerusalem will come under siege from the nations, and the city shall be taken; one half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Zechariah 14:2

Likewise, Gaza, given to the tribe of Judah came under siege by Hamas when it was put under forced evacuation during by the Jews during the Gaza disengagement and handed over to the palestinians under Bush/Sharon administration.

This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof Joshua 15:20

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people around about when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

Siege
H4692
מצוּר מצור
mâtsôr mâtsûr
maw-tsore', maw-tsoor'
From H6696; something hemming in, that is, (objectively) a mound (of besiegers), (abstractly) a siege, (figuratively) distress; or (subjectively) a fastness: - besieged, bulwark, defence, fenced, fortress, siege, strong (hold), tower.

Prophecy is moving along these days quite rapidly.

[steph1962]

UN backs Palestinians plans for statehood by August

26/10/2010
"All int'l players now in agreement that the Palestinians ready for statehood at any point in the near future," UN official Serry tells Fayyad.

The United Nations Security Council could support the Palestinian’s unilateral bid for statehood if Israel does not renew its freeze on new settlement construction, UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Robert Serry warned Israel on Tuesday.

“If the freeze is not renewed, then yes, maybe this is going to happen,” Serry said as he spoke with The Jerusalem Post in an olive grove in the West Bank village of Turmus Aiya, located in the Binyamin Region near the Shiloh settlement.

He held a joint event there with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad to mark the founding of the UN 65 years ago.

But he qualified his remarks by noting that he was an official of the UN and not a member of the Security Council, whose 15-member body would make such a decision.

The PA has threatened to turn to the UN and ask for recognition of Palestinian statehood inside the 1967 lines if the diplomatic process breaks down. The Palestinians said they would not resume talks unless Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu resumed a settlement moratorium, and Netanyahu has said he would consider the possibility of bringing an additional freeze to the cabinet if the Palestinians would recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people – something they are refusing to do.

Serry told the Post, “I do not think it is helpful to come with conditions on either side.” He added that recognition of Israel as a Jewish state was an understood part of a two-state solution.

“What is the essence of a two state solution,” Serry said. “It is about two home lands for two peoples, the Palestinian and the Jewish people.”

Still, he said that settlement construction would be harmful to the peace process. Serry added that it was important for Israel to make other tangible gestures, such as fewer military incursions into area A and more enablement of the PA in areas B and C, particularly with respect to zoning and Palestinian land development issues.

“The occupation is being rolled back and Israel is taking positive steps, but we need to see more tangible progress,” he told reporters.“If the Palestinians living in this beautiful little town do not see that these things are being rolled back, it is difficult to convince them that we are working toward a two state solution.

“I hope the negotiations will be resumed soon,” he said, adding that the best way to achieve this was for the two sides to come to a negotiated two state solution.

Serry said that the Palestinians were ready for statehood and threw his support behind Fayyad’s two-year plan, first announced in August 2009, to prepare Palestinian institutions for statehood by that same time in 2011.

“All international players are now in agreement that the Palestinians are ready for statehood at any point in the near future,” Serry said. “We are in the homestretch of your agenda to reach that point by August next year, and you have our full support.”

He added, “Palestinian statehood is not only a right and in everyone’s interest – it is also doable.”

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor responded by saying that “while Palestinian institutions may be ready for statehood, friends of the Palestinians would be well advised that real statehood can be reached only through direct negotiations with Israel, and that they should resume talks without pre-conditions and with no further delay.”

A source in the Prime Minister’s Office said that Netanyahu, like Serry, also believes Palestinian statehood is “doable.” But, he said, “the path to the realization of Palestinian sovereignty can only be through direct negotiation with Israel, where leadership on both sides are willing to take historic decisions.”

Referring to Palestinian threats to take the issue to the UN, Netanyahu said, “All other paths are a dead end, a mirage. It is crucial that the international community, in dealing with the Palestinians, says this clearly: Palestinian statehood is possible, but only achievable through a negotiated peace.”

But Fayyad said that if Israel was committed to peace it would have taken more steps to curb settlement construction and/or halted it altogether. Such building, he explained, is illegal under international law.

“The youngest of these olive trees is more deeply rooted in this land than the largest Israeli settlement,” Fayyad said.

Israel, he continued, must begin to view these laws and UN resolutions not as “mere recommendations” but as “obligations that have to fulfilled.” But Israel does not seem eager to end the occupation, he said.

The 10-month moratorium on new settlement construction, which expired on September 26th was not compliant with international law because it allowed settlement construction to continue, according to Fayyad.

“To have that moratorium, which was far less than what was required, not even extended, raises questions about Israel’s commitment to peace,” he said.

At one point during the event, he climbed up on a ladder to pick olives, which he placed in a blue UN baseball cap. Briefly, as he stood there, he held a Palestinian flag aloft.

Back on the ground, he said he hoped that “when we celebrate the 66th UN Day next year, we will be celebrating also the emergence of a Palestinian state.”

http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/A...aspx?id=192836