Army of Mary cast out

[ATYCLB]

Army of Mary cast out
9-12-07
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...57a9f0c4f1&k=0

Calling it a "very grave situation," the Vatican has excommunicated members of a controversial Quebec Catholic movement, the Army of Mary, for their heretical beliefs that derive from the writings of Marie-Paule Giguère, an 86-year-old mystic who claims to be a reincarnation of the Virgin Mary.

Founded as a prayer group in 1971, and recognized by the Archbishop of Quebec four years later, the Army of Mary has been a headache for Canadian Catholic bishops ever since.

In her writings, Mme. Giguère described visions and messages she received from God, explaining that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is fully divine, and also that, as her modern incarnation, so is Mme. Giguère. Rather than the traditional Catholic Trinity - in which God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are each fully divine and part of a three-part deity - the Army of Mary now speaks of a "quinternity," including Mary and Mme. Giguère.

More . . .

[LisaJo]

Army of Mary cast out
9-12-07
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...57a9f0c4f1&k=0

Calling it a "very grave situation," the Vatican has excommunicated members of a controversial Quebec Catholic movement, the Army of Mary, for their heretical beliefs that derive from the writings of Marie-Paule Giguère, an 86-year-old mystic who claims to be a reincarnation of the Virgin Mary.

Founded as a prayer group in 1971, and recognized by the Archbishop of Quebec four years later, the Army of Mary has been a headache for Canadian Catholic bishops ever since.

In her writings, Mme. Giguère described visions and messages she received from God, explaining that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is fully divine, and also that, as her modern incarnation, so is Mme. Giguère. Rather than the traditional Catholic Trinity - in which God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are each fully divine and part of a three-part deity - the Army of Mary now speaks of a "quinternity," including Mary and Mme. Giguère.

More . . .

The article never said HOW LONG they have been replacing the Trinity with what they call the "quinternity". Makes me question how long the Catholic church knew of this. Do you by any chance, know when the teaching of the quinternity came about?

[LisaJo]

Wanted to Thank you for posting this News item. It's very interesting. Would really like to know how many members they have now. The article seems to allude that it is much less than 20,000 members.

[ATYCLB]

The article never said HOW LONG they have been replacing the Trinity with what they call the "quinternity". Makes me question how long the Catholic church knew of this. Do you by any chance, know when the teaching of the quinternity came about?

The RCC has known about them for quite some time. This cult is heavily influenced by
the apparitions of the Lady of All Nations which was approved at one time. I think that
approval has since been revoked, but I'm not 100% sure because I haven't checked up
on it in a couple of years.

The teaching of the quinternity stems from the apparitions themselves, I believe. A couple
of specific messages from those apparitions:

"At the same level, to the left, the gospel side, will be the altar of the Lady of All Nations.
On the epistle side, the altar of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Notice well, at the
same level as the Sacrifice."
March 20, 1953

"The altar of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On this side the altar of the Lady of
All Nations. Look carefully: at the same level."
May 31, 1956

Would really like to know how many members they have now. The article seems to allude that it is much less than 20,000 members.

I'm not sure. One article I found stated that there were more than 25,000 members
as of 2001. I've tried searching through their website, but it's a navigational nightmare
and I haven't been able to find anything.

[ATYCLB]

The Lady of All Nations: The Lady of Kingdoms?
Amsterdam
Approved May 31, 1996


http://www.udayton.edu/mary/resources/aprtable.html
http://www.ladyofallnations.org
http://www.de-vrouwe.net/english/index.html


"I am the Lady, Mary, Mother of All Nations. You may say: The Lady of All Nations or Mother of All Nations, who once was Mary. I come on this very day to tell you that this is who I wish to be. The people of all countries shall truly be one."
February 11, 1951


"Who once was Mary’ means: many people have known Mary as Mary. Now, however, in this new era which is about to begin, I wish to be the Lady of All Nations."
July 2, 1951


"I crushed the snake with my foot."
August 15, 1951


"You shall tell the theologians to keep up their fight for the Marian dogma of Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate"
September 20, 1951


"The people of this world shall learn to invoke the Lady of All Nations, who once was Mary, as their Advocate, that the world may be delivered from degeneration, disaster and war. Tell this to your theologians. This time is Our time. Come before this image and pray."
December 31, 1951


"Say that the time has not yet come; that the Lady of All Nations first has to be brought throughout the whole world. The sign of the Lady of All Nations will later on be seen throughout the entire world. Let them understand this well."
February 17, 1952


"And now I speak to you, child. See to the outspreading. Work for this alone, and give spiritual and bodily help by saying the prayer of the Lady of All Nations. Come before this image and implore. I will, when the time has arrived, give a message about this image. Say this. Say that this image is meant for everyone."
February 17, 1952


"She was Mary, the Handmaid of the Lord. She now wishes to be the Lady of All Nations. No matter who or what you are, come to the Lady of All Nations."
April 6, 1952


"Today I have come to tell you: the great action of the Lady of All Nations has to begin now. Bring the messages into the world. The Lady of All Nations shall help you and all those who fight for this. The great action shall begin. This image will precede. Later on there will be no nation without the Lady of All Nations. This title begins now. This time is Our time.
June 15, 1952


"I have said: this image shall precede. This image must go over the whole world. It is the interpretation and illustration of the new dogma. This is why I myself have given this image to the peoples. The prayer will remain until the end. The prayer which Mary as the Lady of All Nations has given to the world will have to be prayed in all churches."
December 8, 1952


"And the Lady of All Nations is here, everywhere, to help you. For she is the Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. This will be the final dogma. Work on it promptly and quickly. The Lady of All Nations promises to help the world if it acknowledges this title, if it invokes her under this title."
December 8, 1952


"Say that the time has now come. The time is here, the time in which the world shall know that I have come here as the Lady of All Nations. I want this to be made known to the world now."
March 20, 1953


"At the same level, to the left, the gospel side, will be the altar of the Lady of All Nations. On the epistle side, the altar of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Notice well, at the same level as the Sacrifice."
March 20, 1953


"Do not be afraid. It is Mary, the Lady of All Nations, who is bringing this message. Under this title she will save the world."
March 20, 1953


"I have come today to bring a special message. Ask the Holy Father to pray the prayer––which Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, under the title ‘The Lady of All Nations’, has given to the world––and to lead the nations in praying it. Tell him: apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, teach your peoples this simple yet profound prayer. It is Mary, the Lady of All Nations, who asks this of you. You are the shepherd of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Tend your sheep. Know well, great threats are hanging over the Church, are hanging over the world. Now the moment has come for you to speak of Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, under the title ‘The Lady of All Nations’. Why is Mary asking this of you? Because she has been sent by her Lord and Creator so that, under this title and through this prayer, she may deliver the world from a great world catastrophe. You know that Mary wishes to come as the Lady of All Nations. She is now asking that the people may hear this title from you, the Holy Father. The Pope’s Sacrista shall give this message, as the other ones, to the Holy Father. Through this prayer the Lady will save the world."
May 10, 1953


"Marian thought will become more prominent in this time. Amsterdam will become the focal point of the Lady of All Nations. There, through this image, the nations will become acquainted with the Lady of All Nations and, under this title, they will ask her to obtain unity, and unity among the nations. This image will precede the final Marian dogma."
May 10, 1953


"The Lady of All Nations will be allowed to bring peace to the world. Yet she must be asked for it under this title."
October 11, 1953


"The Lady of All Nations is not destined for one country, for one place, but is destined for the world, the peoples."
October 11, 1953


"Then the great work begins: the crowning of Mary, the proclamation of the dogma of Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. First, however, let the Church and the nations invoke Mary under her new title and pray her prayer so that degeneration, disaster and war may be staved off from this world. If they do so, the nations of Europe will breathe a sigh of relief after 54. Then the great worldwide task follows."
October 11, 1953


"The powers of hell will break loose. They will not, however, defeat the Lady of All Nations."
December 3, 1953


"Because Mary is Coredemptrix, she is also Mediatrix, she is also Advocate. Not only because she is the Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ, but––and mark this well––because she is the Immaculate Conception . . . Fight for and ask for this dogma. It is the crowning of your Lady."
April 4, 1954


"Here I am again. The Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate is now standing before you. I have chosen this day––on this day the Lady will be crowned. Theologians and apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ, listen carefully. I have given you the explanation of the dogma. Work for and ask for this dogma. You are to supplicate the Holy Father for this dogma. The Lord Jesus Christ has done great things and will give all of you even more in this time, in this twentieth century. On this date the Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate will receive her official title as ‘The Lady of All Nations.’"
May 31, 1954


"The Lady of All Nations may now come in order to expel Satan. She comes to announce the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will then come over this earth. You, however, shall pray my prayer which I gave to the world. Every day and every moment you shall think of the prayer which the Lady of All Nations gave to this world in this time. How strongly Satan is ruling, God alone knows. He now sends His Mother, the Lady of All Nations, to you, to all nations. She will defeat Satan, as has been foretold. She will place her feet upon Satan’s head."
May 31, 1955


"You do not know how great and how important this prayer is before God. He will hear His Mother, as she wants to be your Advocate."
May 31, 1955


"Your Mother, the Lady of All Nations, is allowed to come to you once a year under this new title. Later on this will cease. Understand these words well when I say: see to it that every year the nations are assembled around this throne, before this image."
May 31, 1955


"This great day was chosen by the Lord Jesus Christ for the Lady of All Nations. She may bring her nations to unity. She may gather her nations into one large community. All nations into one Community, that is what this world, this time––as I have repeatedly announced––must see to."
May 31, 1955


"The altar of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On this side the altar of the Lady of All Nations. Look carefully: at the same level."
May 31, 1956



Isaiah chapter 47


Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.


Isa 47:2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.


Isa 47:3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.


Isa 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.


Isa 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.


Isa 47:6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.


Isa 47:7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.


Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:


Isa 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.


Isa 47:10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


Isa 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.


Isa 47:12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.


Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.


Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.


Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

[LisaJo]

Wow. What heresy! Had to be a demon apparition. . .most definitely. I was deeply disturbed and offended, just reading it!

So, the Catholic church was aware of the message that this apparition was imparting and accepted the ramblings of this evil visitation. They ruled a separation in 1987 as a warning to this religious group, but did not significantly break away from its affiliation until 6 priests were ordained by improper procedures. That's what I was wondering. The Catholic Church cared more about their procedures than the evil beliefs that were being perpetuated through the visions. Far more important to them, was the way in which these priests were appointed. Never mind the spiritual message of the appariton to its' founder or of the souls it was affecting.

Have I misinterpreted this ATYCLB, or did I read this right?

[ATYCLB]

Wow. What heresy! Had to be a demon apparition. . .most definitely. I was deeply disturbed and offended, just reading it!

So, the Catholic church was aware of the message that this apparition was imparting and accepted the ramblings of this evil visitation. They ruled a separation in 1987 as a warning to this religious group, but did not significantly break away from its affiliation until 6 priests were ordained by improper procedures. That's what I was wondering. The Catholic Church cared more about their procedures than the evil beliefs that were being perpetuated through the visions. Far more important to them, was the way in which these priests were appointed. Never mind the spiritual message of the appariton to its' founder or of the souls it was affecting.

Have I misinterpreted this ATYCLB, or did I read this right?

I think you've summed it up quite well.

[Doxiemom]

Most likely, the forces within the Vatican want to be in control of the process of putting Mary up on the Throne....making her one with God.

But they did let this obscentity roll it self out for 50/60 years. Hmmm...........letting it become acceptable to one whole generation. Seed sown so to speak.

My scenerio is that there will be a pope one day ( a politcal man, one who wants to save the church) who has a vision, perhaps satan /Mary (ie Lucifer, angel of light) will even provide "proof". The majority of catholics will swallow this up like chocolate. They have been educated in Mary worship under the guise of veneration.

Mary will become a dominate part of Mass. There will be a new declared sacrament in her name.


This lost world has turned to so many mystics and visions and read Nostrodomus and Marion prophecies . They watch all kinds of movies with end of the world scenerios.

The Vatican knows it is losing numbers of catholics in an astonishing rate. They do not have nearly enough priests. They will make a calculated move to draw on that weakness of the searching people and they will draw them into their fold. While I think many will leave the RCC over this insult to the Christ, they will be replaced and more so.

The old prophets and the Book of Revelation foretold all this. Spiritual warfare for souls is being battled for the final day of His Coming.

[Theresa]

Wow. What heresy! Had to be a demon apparition. . .most definitely. I was deeply disturbed and offended, just reading it!

So, the Catholic church was aware of the message that this apparition was imparting and accepted the ramblings of this evil visitation.

I was also offended and sickened and stopped reading about 1/3 way through. I assume that the RCC has not condemned this stuff because it ultimately plays into what they have planned for Mary, namely making her co-redemptrix, etc.

Very, very sad and disturbing.

[SamSeeks]

I was also offended and sickened and stopped reading about 1/3 way through. I assume that the RCC has not condemned this stuff because it ultimately plays into what they have planned for Mary, namely making her co-redemptrix, etc.

Very, very sad and disturbing.

But, doesn't the article say that the Church HAS condemned this stuff?

Sam

[Buzzardhut]

This Mary demon is really getting pushy!

[ATYCLB]

But, doesn't the article say that the Church HAS condemned this stuff?

They haven't actually condemned the Lady of All Nations apparitions, which Theresa
was referring to (the quotes).

I think the troubling aspect of this is that this behavior and these teachings were tolerated
by the RCC since the seventies with nothing really being done about it.

It was only after the ordination of the six priests three months ago that the RCC finally acted.

[seashell]

The Church never approved this apparation. They were probably watching it. I can tell you right now that this is a false vision because of what she says.

"I am the Lady, Mary, Mother of All Nations. You may say: The Lady of All Nations or Mother of All Nations, who once was Mary. I come on this very day to tell you that this is who I wish to be. The people of all countries shall truly be one."
February 11, 1951

Look at the above/ it is similar to Medjugorie which is also not appproved. Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:

“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world”.(7)


In the 1st message Mary is talking about herself and it's all about her. Never once did she mention God and this is because Satan refuses to give God any credit or power because he wants it.

[ATYCLB]

The Church never approved this apparation.

According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).

Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

An apparition of Jesus also appeared at Fatima.

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not."
Matthew 24:23

[ATYCLB]

Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

In the 1st message Mary is talking about herself and it's all about her.

Fatima, like the Lady of All Nations and Medugorie and all the rest, is still all about Mary:

To save them [poor sinners who are on the road to hell], God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.

To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart

In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph.

My, my, my . . . me, me, me . . .

The focus is always on her.

[Doxiemom]

Dear Seashell


When I read all the old prophets; read Jesu's own words; read the Book of the Revalation of Jesus Christ to John; it is clear that all these things MUST come to past. "Mary" is telling the world that there is an alternative.

Jesus gave us the Great Commission to spread the Good News that it is Jesus Christ Who is the Savior. We are to follow Him. His yoke is easy and the burden is light. He told us how to pray, Who to pray to. And gave us the Comfortor so that we would never be alone. Never once did He say, look to my mother to give you wisdom. Never once did He say " I will bestow upon my mother power."

This sounds very hard and cruel to say this but the "Mary" that people saw/see - and I accept that they saw/see a someone- is not from Heaven. Hundreds of thousands are being deceived by a master of lies. Through this deception Lucifer and his fallen angels are putting greater and greater distance between you and Jesus. And the Truth that was foretold.

Bring the World of Jesus Christ to the lost. And they can be saved. There will be horrific wars. There will be terrible plagues. The earth itself will be in chaos and ruined. It will happen . "Mary" is not able to stop it. This "mary" is no one else but Satan, the mighty angel of light and the more souls he lies to and they chooose to believe him/"Mary" the more he brings to hell. The only saving he is doing is saving them from Heaven.

Please/ please please/ re-read the old prophets, the Olivet Discorse and Revalation with a new set of eyes. Let it sink in that these are the warnings given for you personally. It is not symbollic, it all didn't already happen, the woman with child isn't the catholic church or Mary- it is Israel. Everything is about Israel.

The Mary visions are an evil lie. I am so sorry to have to say this. I do not doubt your Chrsitianity. You appear to be a sincere faithful person.
Dox

[ATYCLB]

Very nice, Dox.

[Buzzardhut]

According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).

[Doxiemom]

Why, thank you .

[seashell]

According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).




An apparition of Jesus also appeared at Fatima.

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not."
Matthew 24:23

I don't remember giving you that sight and it does not say that the Catholic Church approves it. It says the local church; which means not the Vatican.

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

) Approval of faith expression means that the local authorities have encouraged or at least tolerated the various manifestations of faith (prayers, mass, penance, conversions) occurring in conjunction with the alleged apparition. When explicitly approved, and known to us, the column bears the word "yes". The space remains blank when there was no answer available to us.

This Catholic site. The Lady of all Nations is not on the list.

http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/apparitions.html


Also, I have never said that Mary can save anyone; only Jesus can. He can work through any of us including his mother and the first time she intervened for anyone was at the Wedding in Cana when Jesus said his time has not came yet. What did Mary say? She told the men to fill the water jugs anyway. (Jesus does what his mother asks)


Also, you can look at Luke- Which the Holy Spirit is talking through Simeon and says a sword will pierce Mary's heart as well and many thoughts will be revealed. It is directly talking about her suffering and losing her son in a most awful way.

2:25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 2:26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 2:27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 2:28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 2:29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 2:30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 2:31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 2:32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 2:33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. 2:34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 2:35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.