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    I've seen several times on this board and many, many times elsewhere that people use 2 Chronicles 7:14 to *claim* it for America and pray for a revival. As I understand it, it is thought that if believers clean up their acts, repent, etc., that therefore God is promising He will heal our land.

    I'm wondering if people really think of the ramifications of this thinking. First, it is specifically for Israel, under their covenant with God and as God's only nation that bears His Name and His covenant promises. America or any other country may have been founded by Christians or Deists but if it's true that Israel is the only covenant nation, then the promise to live godly before Him may have been unilateral by men. God is under no obligation to heal anyone else's land. Especially when the majority do not want it and do not want Him. He will not force Himself on anyone or any nation. God in general will bless right behavior and right behavior will in general will produce good results. But Christians are never promised an easy life in this world. And God Himself has not made a covenant with America or any other nation. He has blessed us - He has certainly been mightily gracious to us and we are so thankful.

    But when a culture becomes so drunk and sick with their rebelliousness and sins and the believers are a minority - is it just of Him to keep pouring out blessings on all? Will He just concentrate on the righteous and not deal with the wicked and bring roadblocks of hardship so some may turn to repentance and salvation - just so the Christians can continue to live in a society where everything is easy? Will He not reprove sinners by having to live with the fruits of their own actions for the hope of salvation? What other countries has that happened to, outside of Israel, as a precedent?

    As believers in God's prophecies and knowing that these are the last days, should we be counting on Dominion Theology, Replacement Theology or WOF name-it-and-claim-it Theology? Or are the fruits of those things something we should stay away from? Is claiming that promise in 2 Chronicles rightly dividing the Word of God? If not, at best we're just wasting our time trying to chase it down.

    Here's what Thomas Ice thinks:

    "...A widely used example of a verse taken out of context is 2 Chronicles 7:14: "and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray . . . " Usually this is quoted as an explanation for why America is in decline. Because "My people" are addressed, it is said that the success of a nation is dependent upon the obedience of Christians to the Lord. Thus God blesses or curses a nation in accordance with Christian obedience. Then 2 Chronicles 7:14 is cited as a formula for national restoration because the passage says to "humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

    I believe that this is an illustration of a passage taken out of context because of the following contextual factors:

    "My people" are said in 2 Chronicles 6:24 to be "Israel" as is also indicated by the flow of the historical context.

    Solomon is preparing to dedicate the just completed Temple and 7:14 is God's renewal of the Mosaic Covenant under which Israel and only Israel operates.

    Since this passage involves Israel and not the church it is improper to speculatively relate it to present day American Christianity. Proper contextual interpretation would allow for the general observation that God delights in a humble and obedient people, but obedience and pray should be offered according to His plan for the church...."
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    ever since i was a kid i've heard this verse quoted in regards to america and its potential for some sort of spiritual revival, but i never understood the context for the very reasons you have just described. you don't just substitute object A for object B in the Bible simply because you want to. the Word says what it means and means what it says. "My people" has always meant, and always will mean, Israel. replacement theology is a very subtle and real danger in the Church and one that has done an enormous amount of damage in distorting the message of G-d's overall plan of redemption for both Jew and gentile alike. this isn't to say that II Chronicles 7:14 doesn't have a lesson for america. but it wasn't written to america. i personally believe that the U.S., as a nation is past the point of no return in regards to judgment. this isn't to say that many more won't be saved individually before the Rapture and this is something we need to be praying for daily. but i don't think some major nationwide revival is on the horizon, and certainly not one from using II Chronicles as a proof text.

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    I appreciate your feedback, Standby.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImOnStandby221 View Post
    ever since i was a kid i've heard this verse quoted in regards to america and its potential for some sort of spiritual revival,...
    I remember decades ago too, when the Owenses among others had that nationwide campaign going, using this verse to have Christians commit to pray for a revival in America. If numbers of believers and fervor of prayer meant anything, we should have fulfilled the *if* part of the verse, and that meant surely God would fulfill the *then*. It clearly didn't happen. Why?

    Besides the fact that that verse is not meant for us, we are taught by Jesus to pray "Thy will be done..." I believe we are in that time when God is positioning all the nations for the judgment they so rightly deserve. I believe as end-times believers, like Noah back in his day, we need to be about telling people to repent or prepare for judgment as God wraps up history as we know it. Either people will get their sins covered by the Blood of Jesus or they choose to suffer as man has never suffered before as God pours out His wrath upon the earth. (Although we know that countless souls will repent and be saved during the Trib, too.)

    ...but i never understood the context for the very reasons you have just described. you don't just substitute object A for object B in the Bible simply because you want to. the Word says what it means and means what it says. "My people" has always meant, and always will mean, Israel. replacement theology is a very subtle and real danger in the Church and one that has done an enormous amount of damage in distorting the message of G-d's overall plan of redemption for both Jew and gentile alike. this isn't to say that II Chronicles 7:14 doesn't have a lesson for america. but it wasn't written to america. i personally believe that the U.S., as a nation is past the point of no return in regards to judgment. this isn't to say that many more won't be saved individually before the Rapture and this is something we need to be praying for daily. but i don't think some major nationwide revival is on the horizon, and certainly not one from using II Chronicles as a proof text.
    In agreement here too with the above (bolded mine.) And also praying for the salvation of many, many individuals before the Rapture...

    As a Body we need to see and discern what is God's will and what He is doing and put our energies and our heart there.
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    Thank you for this thread. It is excellent and timely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seemomgonuts View Post
    Thank you for this thread. It is excellent and timely.
    Amen and I second that! Although we shouldn't sit back and do nothing and I do agree that we should continue to pray for the nations, pray that the Lord have mercy, I really don't believe that God says anywhere in His Word that we should pray for or even expect any kind of revival if we pray for it. His Word is clear as to what to expect in these times. We should be out sharing the Gospel as time comes to a close for the Church age.

    Thank you iSong for putting it so plainly!

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    Thank you for bringing the truth of this portion of scripture to light here on the board, Orly!

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    I agree I Song!

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    and I can't say I disagree,but...........

    I believe the bible is God's word and we are to study to show ourselves approved.
    I think the verse is teaching us that the blessings of the Lord is tied to our obedience. God tells us in Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people." I think 2Chron7:14 reinforces God's word.

    I don't understand when someone says this is just for the Jews. Right now I am thinking of the 10commandments. They were given to the Jews. Why would I think they don't pertain to me just as the verse you quoted was during the dedication of the temple? Otherwise, the bible for the gentiles should just contain the versus that pertain to us and I believe it is 2Timothy 3:16."All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

    I don't want to go through the bible and say this part doesn't pertain to me because____.

    God's word clearly teaches we are grafted in. I think the fall of this nation is clearly seen through the falling away from God's teaching. We are His as doers of the word. God won't bless us because we are too proud and want no part of God.

    I believe we were blessed as a nation because God was our foundation. We have replaced the foundation with ourself, our interest. O is just a symbol of what is wrong with this nation. God has given us the desire of our flesh. We have been divided and in the midst of being conquered.

    Bottom line, the verse and context may have been for Israel, but pertains to all people called by His name. This is why it is in the bible, for us to read, study, and learn, and obey. The verse isn't there just for reading. We can't live the way we want apart from God and expect blessings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4EVERHIS View Post
    and I can't say I disagree,but...........

    I believe the bible is God's word and we are to study to show ourselves approved.
    I think the verse is teaching us that the blessings of the Lord is tied to our obedience. God tells us in Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people." I think 2Chron7:14 reinforces God's word.

    I don't understand when someone says this is just for the Jews. Right now I am thinking of the 10commandments. They were given to the Jews. Why would I think they don't pertain to me just as the verse you quoted was during the dedication of the temple? Otherwise, the bible for the gentiles should just contain the versus that pertain to us and I believe it is 2Timothy 3:16."All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

    I don't want to go through the bible and say this part doesn't pertain to me because____.

    God's word clearly teaches we are grafted in. I think the fall of this nation is clearly seen through the falling away from God's teaching. We are His as doers of the word. God won't bless us because we are too proud and want no part of God.

    I believe we were blessed as a nation because God was our foundation. We have replaced the foundation with ourself, our interest. O is just a symbol of what is wrong with this nation. God has given us the desire of our flesh. We have been divided and in the midst of being conquered.

    Bottom line, the verse and context may have been for Israel, but pertains to all people called by His name. This is why it is in the bible, for us to read, study, and learn, and obey. The verse isn't there just for reading. We can't live the way we want apart from God and expect blessings.
    All scripture is to be used for correction, reproof and instruction. No doubt. However, there is a very important reason why the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible. It shows us time and time again that man cannot earn salvation through works, which was the point of the Law.

    To say that all of the Bible applies to Christians isn't a true statement. For instance, there is an OT law against eating shellfish. Jesus said man is not defiled by what goes in his mouth, but what comes out and Paul was pretty clear about food as well. Old Testament shows lives yoked under the Law. New Testament teaching (which is what Christians should look to for righteous living) instructs us from the point of view of grace, not law or works.

    As far as the expectation of blessing from God when not living His ways, I have to disagree and this may be a controversial topic, but I'll jump in anyway and wait to be corrected. I think the Bible is pretty clear that as a believer you've already received your blessing (your salvation and the Holy Spirit living inside you). But to say God won't bless you for not living in His ways might be a stretch. There are some very impoverished but extremely dedicated Christians in this world. On the other hand, there are some very wealthy preachers out there teaching an extremely watered-down gospel or are even apostate. God sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

    Jesus, when crucified said, "It is finished." What do you think we can do to impress God? If we love Him, we are to follow His commandments. The Bible says a believer can pray for anything and get it, albeit if it's for the right motives and without doubt. It doesn't say a believer that only gets it right some of the time. We all fall short and none of us deserve what God has done for us, and to try to get Christians to act a certain way or do a certain thing to bring blessings sounds like a page out of a Benny Hinn script.

    I'm not upset, by the way, so please don't take offense. I'm passionate about this because of some personal experiences where churches I've attended have preached about prosperity by giving tithes (no, not your church C_G - they'd never preach that!).

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    regarding the "blessings." Something that I learned a long time ago.....am I looking to love my Lord regardless, or am I looking for His blessings....?

    This question was one that I believe each of us need to answer. God is indebted to no one.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4EVERHIS View Post
    and I can't say I disagree,but...........

    I believe the bible is God's word and we are to study to show ourselves approved.
    I think the verse is teaching us that the blessings of the Lord is tied to our obedience. God tells us in Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people." I think 2Chron7:14 reinforces God's word.

    I don't understand when someone says this is just for the Jews. Right now I am thinking of the 10commandments. They were given to the Jews. Why would I think they don't pertain to me just as the verse you quoted was during the dedication of the temple? Otherwise, the bible for the gentiles should just contain the versus that pertain to us and I believe it is 2Timothy 3:16."All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

    I don't want to go through the bible and say this part doesn't pertain to me because____.

    God's word clearly teaches we are grafted in. I think the fall of this nation is clearly seen through the falling away from God's teaching. We are His as doers of the word. God won't bless us because we are too proud and want no part of God.

    I believe we were blessed as a nation because God was our foundation. We have replaced the foundation with ourself, our interest. O is just a symbol of what is wrong with this nation. God has given us the desire of our flesh. We have been divided and in the midst of being conquered.

    Bottom line, the verse and context may have been for Israel, but pertains to all people called by His name. This is why it is in the bible, for us to read, study, and learn, and obey. The verse isn't there just for reading. We can't live the way we want apart from God and expect blessings.

    I can see exactly what you are saying. I have never heard this verse used for America, but I have heard it used as an example for those who are in sin or have backslid from the faith. I also stand as a living testimony to the scripture in my own life. There isn't one scripture in the bible that we are exempt from. Not one. There are no limits to the promises of God, Israel just so happened to be his people at that time, now, we who love him and receive Him as our Savior have been "adopted" (Eph 1:5) into His family as well.
    While America has went way off track, if it were to repent and "turn" from the path it has chosen, I believe God could restore it.....but not without consequences...America would still have to reap what it has sewn.

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    THE MISUSE
    OF II CHRONICLES 7:14

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    This article touches upon the issue of the healing of our land that is often spoken about in the Kingdom Now teaching and Dominion Theology that is so popular today. The basic tenet of this teaching is that it is the church’s responsibility to bring in God’s kingdom on this earth. Israel failed to do that and the church is failing to do it now. Proponents of the doctrine contend that Christ is waiting for Christians to take control in the nations and lands where they are and to establish His kingdom on this earth. It is even sometimes stated that the return of Christ to the earth is directly tied to the church fulfilling its obligation to bring in the kingdom. It is obvious that such a teaching as this has no understanding or appreciation for the dispensation of God’s grace that is now in effect and for the “mystery of Christ” that was revealed unto Paul. Nor does this teaching appreciate God’s immutable covenanted relationship to Israel and the resumption and fulfillment of Israel’s program yet to come. In connection with this unfortunate teaching it is often declared that our nations and lands suffer because of the failure of Christians to be serious about their responsibility. In view of this a particular verse of Scripture , II Chronicles 7:14 ,is often quoted and held out as a promise that Christians should claim and act upon. The misuse and abuse of II Chronicles 7:14 is the subject of this article.

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (II Chronicles 7:14)

    If over the course of the last several years I totaled up the number of times I have heard someone admonish Christians today to do what II Chronicles 7:14 says to do, I think the number would be in the hundreds, if not thousands. It seems as if this verse has become a watch-word, or motto, among a great number of Christians today. And indeed it has. They see the sin and evil that permeates our society. They see the degradation that is taking place in all facets of our culture. They see the reluctance and often times downright unwillingness of those in the positions of authority to do anything about it. In being confronted with all of this there is a natural desire to see the course of our nation turned around, and for righteousness and justice to hold sway, along with peace and prosperity. And what is being taught to Christians today is that we can have those very things and turn the course of our nation around. We are told that what we need to do is claim God's promise of II Chronicles 7:14 in order to remedy our national plight. We need to realize that we have been remiss as Christians, having failed to do what God has told us to do, and we need to act upon God's promise to heal our land as set forth in II Chronicles 7:14. In view of this, multitudes of Christians today are seeking a national turn-around and asking God to fulfill His promise to us of healing our land. But, sincere desires for a better society notwithstanding, that's a very unfortunate thing. This is because the challenge of II Chronicles 7:14 is NOT a challenge to us today. The promise of the verse is NOT a promise to us today. The program under which God says those words is NOT the program He has in effect today. Rather, the program was God's dealings with Israel. The promise of II Chronicles 7:14 was to them as His nation in covenant relationship with Him. And the challenge was one God gave them, which if they responded to, would cause the curses they were experiencing to cease; which curses they were experiencing for their failures under the law. Hence, by failing to "rightly divide the word of truth," multitudes of Christians today are asking God to fulfil a promise that He has not made to us. They are being made to think that God is treating us today the same way in which He treated Israel. And they are being made to take Israel's promises and claim them as applicable to us today. This is truly unfortunate and is wrong.

    Today we live in "the dispensation of the grace of God for us Gentiles." God's program with Israel is temporarily set aside during this present dispensation. The "new creation," the church the body of Christ, is what God is forming now, and it is NOT a nation with a land on this earth. Instead, the body of Christ has a citizenship in heaven and is awaiting the Lord's return to gather us together unto Himself and to take us into the heavenly places. Neither are we today, in this dispensation of grace, being treated by God like He treated Israel. He has not put us under the law today, but we are under grace. We are not nationally, nor individually, blessed or cursed today depending upon our performance under the law. But such was not the case with Israel in time past. Israel is God's nation. They were under the law. It was the covenant they entered into with God. They were given a land that would be cursed under the curses of the law, if they did not comply with it, but blessed if they did comply. However, comply they did not, and so their land was cursed. It is to that situation that the challenge and promise of II Chronicles 7:14 applies.

    A brief examination of the context of II Chronicles 7:14, along with an appreciation for their history up until that time, will show that the challenge and promise is to Israel in their covenant relationship to the Lord. It has nothing whatsoever to do with us today.

    In the verse that precedes verse 14, the Lord declared to Solomon,...

    “If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;..." (II Chronicles 7:13)

    That the Lord might very well do these things is something Solomon knew quite well. The law contract called for God to curse Israel's land if they persisted in their contrariness and rebelliousness to Him. The general listing of the curses for non-compliance with the law was set forth in Deuteronomy 28, and the progressive way in which the curses would be experienced by the nation was outlined in Leviticus 26. Solomon knew all of this and also knew that the nation had already been experiencing the first course of those curses for its disobedience and rebelliousness. He also knew that, just as the law contract called for, if the nation spurned the mercy and grace shown to them during his father David's reign and now his, that the "If I shut up heaven...etc.," would not simply be a possibility, but would be the reality for Israel. They would begin experiencing these further chastisements of the Lord upon their land that the law demanded.

    The Lord's touching of Israel's land was part of the law contract that they had with God. It was not something that God did arbitrarily, nor was it just the natural result of unrighteousness on their part, as if they were being treated by God no different from any other people. Instead, afflicting their land was a contracted and prescribed curse that they would have to endure for their failures under the law. It was a curse they knew about before they ever entered into the land, and it was a curse they began to experience not long after they entered in. Israel's land was made sick by God cursing it in accordance with the terms of the Law and it could only be healed by Israel following the prescription for its healing set forth in that same Law contract.

    Hence, the contracted curses were not the product of capriciousness on God's part. They had a design to them. As is set forth in Leviticus 26, God was chastising His people with them. His desire through the use of them was to get Israel to "hearken unto Him," to be "reproved by Him," to no longer "walk contrary" unto Him. Therefore, He waited, as the merciful God that He is, for them to be exercised by the chastening and to "humble themselves" and "seek Him." If, and when they did that, as the Lord set forth in the law, He would not proceed on with the curses, but would bless them in their land, just as the contract called for.

    This is what the challenge, promise, and program of II Chronicles 7:14 is all about. What the Lord declared in that "If-Then" proposition to Israel was just what the law covenant contracted for. But in this present dispensation of God’s grace it is not the way He is dealing with the church the body of Christ today, nor any nation.

    As the record of God's word shows, Israel's history was one of persisting in disobedience and rebelliousness, and she did come under the subsequent curses of the law. Her land was not healed and it awaits the day when God resumes His program and dealings with her. The blessings of the Law contract cannot be procured by Israel based upon her performance. She will only be blessed when God saves her and heals her land based solely upon His "Jehovah-ness" and grace.

    Today, in this dispensation of God's grace, the program of God is different. God is not cursing our land, or blessing it, as if He was treating us like Israel. In fact, He's given the body of Christ no land on this earth, nor has He made us into a nation. He's made no promise to us to bless the lands or nations we dwell in. Instead, quite the contrary is the case. The nations of this world deserve nothing less than the outpouring of God’s wrath. Wrath is what they have already merited. Yet, instead of deserved wrath, God is being long-suffering and holding back the curse of His wrath this world is so richly deserving. He has put in temporary abeyance His program with Israel, through whom the blessing of the world will come. And instead of either right now cursing or blessing this world, He is by the gospel of His grace forming the "new creation," the church the body of Christ, for an inheritance with Christ in the heavenly places. And in accordance with this He has "blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." Our realm of blessing is in the heavenly places, and the land, so to speak, in which we will be a blessing is the heavenly places.

    Right now, while God is longsuffering and we are in this world awaiting the coming of Christ to gather us together unto Himself, we will experience and be affected by the rise and decline of nations. But God has not contracted with us to be for the blessing or cursing of any land, or to bring in His kingdom on this earth. That contract relationship belongs to Israel, and only Israel. They will fulfill it when God resumes His program with them, after this dispensation of His grace is over.

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    Thank you, Song, for the post.


    Quote Originally Posted by His Bride View Post
    regarding the "blessings." Something that I learned a long time ago.....am I looking to love my Lord regardless, or am I looking for His blessings....?

    This question was one that I believe each of us need to answer. God is indebted to no one.....

    Excellent, HB.

    We are totally indebted to Him. If He had not created each of us to begin with we would have no chance to know Him. Whether it's easy, whether it's difficult, He has a plan and always say 'blessed be the name of the Lord'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anddra View Post
    He is by the gospel of His grace forming the "new creation," the church the body of Christ, for an inheritance with Christ in the heavenly places. And in accordance with this He has "blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." Our realm of blessing is in the heavenly places, and the land, so to speak, in which we will be a blessing is the heavenly places.


    The greatest blessing of all, the eternal gospel and everlasting life offered to any who thirst, they can freely drink from the river of life.
    Don't panic! Just be Rapture Ready.

    Joel 3:2

    I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

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    agree to disagree......peace and blessings to all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeReigns4Ever View Post
    I can see exactly what you are saying. I have never heard this verse used for America, but I have heard it used as an example for those who are in sin or have backslid from the faith. I also stand as a living testimony to the scripture in my own life.
    Which verse is that, HeReigns, 2 Chronicles 7:14? Not hard to get me confused.

    There isn't one scripture in the bible that we are exempt from. Not one.
    I don't think you really mean that. There are many that we are exempt from. For example, the Law of Moses has 613 commandments and even observant Orthodox Jews are not able to keep some of them because there is no Temple at this time. As someone brought up above, we are not under the negative commandment about shellfish. Or mixing linen and wool. Stuff like that.

    There are no limits to the promises of God,...
    Not exactly. I can pick up my Bible and read this:


    16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

    17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

    18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
    Genesis 22:16-18

    ...and I can think that because I obeyed God in something, God will make my descendants as numerous as the stars of heaven, etc., and through them will all the earth be blessed. After all, that's what it says, right? No, it doesn't. That was written to Abraham after he obeyed God and was willing to sacrifice his son. (Of course, God wouldn't let him do that but sacrificed His own Son instead.) Point is, it is a promise of God, but not for me. I suppose it could be said that generally, a godly heritage and raising godly children will bless the world, and descendants tend to have an exponential growth. But I don't have any children; this promise is not for me.

    There are many such instances in the Bible, which is why we need to be careful to rightly divide the Word. Some things are for everyone. Some are for only Israel. Some are for only the Church. Some are for only one individual.

    Israel just so happened to be his people at that time,...
    And they still are. God has turned His attention, as it were, to building His Church. We believe that soon those days will be over and God will again turn His attention back to His *other people*, Israel.

    ...now, we who love him and receive Him as our Savior have been "adopted" (Eph 1:5) into His family as well.
    Exactly right, but the Church is still not Israel. We do not have promises specifically for Israel and they do not have promises specifically for the Church. One point of the first article I posted is that we are not to appropriate promises for Israel to the Church. That is called "Replacement Theology". The Church has not replaced Israel.

    While America has went way off track, if it were to repent and "turn" from the path it has chosen, I believe God could restore it.....but not without consequences...America would still have to reap what it has sewn.
    If the sinners repented and turned to Jesus, He certainly could. But we Christians pray that His will be done. Maybe it's His plan to allow the nations to go their own way to prepare them for soon-coming Tribulation judgment.
    "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


    Jesus + something = nothing

    Jesus + nothing = Everything

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    THE MISUSE
    OF II CHRONICLES 7:14

    by K. R. Blades



    This article touches upon the issue of the healing of our land that is often spoken about in the Kingdom Now teaching and Dominion Theology that is so popular today. The basic tenet of this teaching is that it is the church’s responsibility to bring in God’s kingdom on this earth. Israel failed to do that and the church is failing to do it now. Proponents of the doctrine contend that Christ is waiting for Christians to take control in the nations and lands where they are and to establish His kingdom on this earth. It is even sometimes stated that the return of Christ to the earth is directly tied to the church fulfilling its obligation to bring in the kingdom. It is obvious that such a teaching as this has no understanding or appreciation for the dispensation of God’s grace that is now in effect and for the “mystery of Christ” that was revealed unto Paul. Nor does this teaching appreciate God’s immutable covenanted relationship to Israel and the resumption and fulfillment of Israel’s program yet to come. In connection with this unfortunate teaching it is often declared that our nations and lands suffer because of the failure of Christians to be serious about their responsibility. In view of this a particular verse of Scripture , II Chronicles 7:14 ,is often quoted and held out as a promise that Christians should claim and act upon. The misuse and abuse of II Chronicles 7:14 is the subject of this article.

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (II Chronicles 7:14)

    If over the course of the last several years I totaled up the number of times I have heard someone admonish Christians today to do what II Chronicles 7:14 says to do, I think the number would be in the hundreds, if not thousands. It seems as if this verse has become a watch-word, or motto, among a great number of Christians today. And indeed it has. They see the sin and evil that permeates our society. They see the degradation that is taking place in all facets of our culture. They see the reluctance and often times downright unwillingness of those in the positions of authority to do anything about it. In being confronted with all of this there is a natural desire to see the course of our nation turned around, and for righteousness and justice to hold sway, along with peace and prosperity. And what is being taught to Christians today is that we can have those very things and turn the course of our nation around. We are told that what we need to do is claim God's promise of II Chronicles 7:14 in order to remedy our national plight. We need to realize that we have been remiss as Christians, having failed to do what God has told us to do, and we need to act upon God's promise to heal our land as set forth in II Chronicles 7:14. In view of this, multitudes of Christians today are seeking a national turn-around and asking God to fulfill His promise to us of healing our land. But, sincere desires for a better society notwithstanding, that's a very unfortunate thing. This is because the challenge of II Chronicles 7:14 is NOT a challenge to us today. The promise of the verse is NOT a promise to us today. The program under which God says those words is NOT the program He has in effect today. Rather, the program was God's dealings with Israel. The promise of II Chronicles 7:14 was to them as His nation in covenant relationship with Him. And the challenge was one God gave them, which if they responded to, would cause the curses they were experiencing to cease; which curses they were experiencing for their failures under the law. Hence, by failing to "rightly divide the word of truth," multitudes of Christians today are asking God to fulfil a promise that He has not made to us. They are being made to think that God is treating us today the same way in which He treated Israel. And they are being made to take Israel's promises and claim them as applicable to us today. This is truly unfortunate and is wrong.

    Today we live in "the dispensation of the grace of God for us Gentiles." God's program with Israel is temporarily set aside during this present dispensation. The "new creation," the church the body of Christ, is what God is forming now, and it is NOT a nation with a land on this earth. Instead, the body of Christ has a citizenship in heaven and is awaiting the Lord's return to gather us together unto Himself and to take us into the heavenly places. Neither are we today, in this dispensation of grace, being treated by God like He treated Israel. He has not put us under the law today, but we are under grace. We are not nationally, nor individually, blessed or cursed today depending upon our performance under the law. But such was not the case with Israel in time past. Israel is God's nation. They were under the law. It was the covenant they entered into with God. They were given a land that would be cursed under the curses of the law, if they did not comply with it, but blessed if they did comply. However, comply they did not, and so their land was cursed. It is to that situation that the challenge and promise of II Chronicles 7:14 applies.

    A brief examination of the context of II Chronicles 7:14, along with an appreciation for their history up until that time, will show that the challenge and promise is to Israel in their covenant relationship to the Lord. It has nothing whatsoever to do with us today.

    In the verse that precedes verse 14, the Lord declared to Solomon,...

    “If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;..." (II Chronicles 7:13)

    That the Lord might very well do these things is something Solomon knew quite well. The law contract called for God to curse Israel's land if they persisted in their contrariness and rebelliousness to Him. The general listing of the curses for non-compliance with the law was set forth in Deuteronomy 28, and the progressive way in which the curses would be experienced by the nation was outlined in Leviticus 26. Solomon knew all of this and also knew that the nation had already been experiencing the first course of those curses for its disobedience and rebelliousness. He also knew that, just as the law contract called for, if the nation spurned the mercy and grace shown to them during his father David's reign and now his, that the "If I shut up heaven...etc.," would not simply be a possibility, but would be the reality for Israel. They would begin experiencing these further chastisements of the Lord upon their land that the law demanded.

    The Lord's touching of Israel's land was part of the law contract that they had with God. It was not something that God did arbitrarily, nor was it just the natural result of unrighteousness on their part, as if they were being treated by God no different from any other people. Instead, afflicting their land was a contracted and prescribed curse that they would have to endure for their failures under the law. It was a curse they knew about before they ever entered into the land, and it was a curse they began to experience not long after they entered in. Israel's land was made sick by God cursing it in accordance with the terms of the Law and it could only be healed by Israel following the prescription for its healing set forth in that same Law contract.

    Hence, the contracted curses were not the product of capriciousness on God's part. They had a design to them. As is set forth in Leviticus 26, God was chastising His people with them. His desire through the use of them was to get Israel to "hearken unto Him," to be "reproved by Him," to no longer "walk contrary" unto Him. Therefore, He waited, as the merciful God that He is, for them to be exercised by the chastening and to "humble themselves" and "seek Him." If, and when they did that, as the Lord set forth in the law, He would not proceed on with the curses, but would bless them in their land, just as the contract called for.

    This is what the challenge, promise, and program of II Chronicles 7:14 is all about. What the Lord declared in that "If-Then" proposition to Israel was just what the law covenant contracted for. But in this present dispensation of God’s grace it is not the way He is dealing with the church the body of Christ today, nor any nation.

    As the record of God's word shows, Israel's history was one of persisting in disobedience and rebelliousness, and she did come under the subsequent curses of the law. Her land was not healed and it awaits the day when God resumes His program and dealings with her. The blessings of the Law contract cannot be procured by Israel based upon her performance. She will only be blessed when God saves her and heals her land based solely upon His "Jehovah-ness" and grace.

    Today, in this dispensation of God's grace, the program of God is different. God is not cursing our land, or blessing it, as if He was treating us like Israel. In fact, He's given the body of Christ no land on this earth, nor has He made us into a nation. He's made no promise to us to bless the lands or nations we dwell in. Instead, quite the contrary is the case. The nations of this world deserve nothing less than the outpouring of God’s wrath. Wrath is what they have already merited. Yet, instead of deserved wrath, God is being long-suffering and holding back the curse of His wrath this world is so richly deserving. He has put in temporary abeyance His program with Israel, through whom the blessing of the world will come. And instead of either right now cursing or blessing this world, He is by the gospel of His grace forming the "new creation," the church the body of Christ, for an inheritance with Christ in the heavenly places. And in accordance with this He has "blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." Our realm of blessing is in the heavenly places, and the land, so to speak, in which we will be a blessing is the heavenly places.

    Right now, while God is longsuffering and we are in this world awaiting the coming of Christ to gather us together unto Himself, we will experience and be affected by the rise and decline of nations. But God has not contracted with us to be for the blessing or cursing of any land, or to bring in His kingdom on this earth. That contract relationship belongs to Israel, and only Israel. They will fulfill it when God resumes His program with them, after this dispensation of His grace is over.

    http://enjoythebible.org/studies/misuse1.html
    So....excluding God healing America.....are we saying that a person who knows the word and commands of God and willingly chooses to walk contrary to God's will and word cannot be restored? For example...a person accepts Christ as Savior, walks in God's ways for 10 years or so and is blessed spiritually, physically, and financially.....then the person decides NOT to follow Christ anymore for whatever reason and begins to live a lifestyle full of idolatry, promiscuity, etc. The person begins to get sick alot, and have an unstable mind, and their home life is full of turmoil...they have nearly lost all the ground they gained when walking with Christ.......then the person turns back to the faith and walks again with Christ....their sickness goes away, their spiritual calling (whatever it may be) is restored and they gain stability back in their mind and finances......Is that not "healing the land" so to speak? Did this person not turn from that which they knew was contrary to God's word and begin to seek him again? Is there no restoration after forgiveness??? Just because we are now under grace, it doesn't mean that Old Testament laws don't pertain to us.....Can we mate with animals or siblings? Can we have more than one spouse at a time? Do we pick and choose which scriptures pertain to our walk with God? Surely not!
    And just to make my point, the person mentioned above was me.....and i prayed this scripture when I returned to God last year(after being prodigal for nearly 5 years) and the person I was before I left, is nothing compared to who I am now! There is life in God's word.....all of it.

    *now, I really agree to disagree!*

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