2 Chronicles 7:14 - Prayer for America?

**iSong6:3** · July 5th, 2010, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by HeReigns4Ever

...Is that not "healing the land" so to speak?...

No, that's healing an individual. Not the whole land of individuals.

Just because we are now under grace, it doesn't mean that Old Testament laws don't pertain to us.....Can we mate with animals or siblings? Can we have more than one spouse at a time? Do we pick and choose which scriptures pertain to our walk with God? Surely not!

Unless you're keeping all 613 positive and negative commandments in the Mosaic Law then you are picking and choosing what laws you will keep.

And just to make my point, the person mentioned above was me.....and i prayed this scripture when I returned to God last year(after being prodigal for nearly 5 years) and the person I was before I left, is nothing compared to who I am now! There is life in God's word.....all of it.

I'm glad you repented of your sins and therefore found life in God.

*now, I really agree to disagree!*

That's fine, as long as you do not post in promotion of your implied beliefs, such as Sabbatarianism or Replacement Theology or legalism. They are against the posting rules.

HeReigns4Ever · July 5th, 2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by iSong6:3

Which verse is that, HeReigns, 2 Chronicles 7:14? Not hard to get me confused.

I don't think you really mean that. There are many that we are exempt from. For example, the Law of Moses has 613 commandments and even observant Orthodox Jews are not able to keep some of them because there is no Temple at this time. As someone brought up above, we are not under the negative commandment about shellfish. Or mixing linen and wool. Stuff like that.
They are unable to keep them at this time but will they again do it once the temple is rebulit?

Not exactly. I can pick up my Bible and read this:

16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Genesis 22:16-18

I don't think I would want to have to raise that much seed honey! I struggle with the 2 i have now!

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If the sinners repented and turned to Jesus, He certainly could. But we Christians pray that His will be done. Maybe it's His plan to allow the nations to go their own way to prepare them for soon-coming Tribulation judgment.

agreed!

I feel you on this Song

**iSong6:3** · July 5th, 2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by HeReigns4Ever

agreed!

I feel you on this Song

That's all I was saying before.

And yes, when the Jewish people have their Temple they will be back to keeping the Law. There will even be Millennial Temple sacrifices! I'll see if I can find something on that.

ETA - Why Blood Sacrifices Again?

Q. I am teaching re: the Millennial Temple, and was most interested in your teaching on the subject in a recent article, and the suggestion that Shiloh may be the location. I agree that the Age of Grace Interrupted the Age of Law, and it (age of Law) will take up again during the Tribulation period.

I can understand grain offerings, thanks offerings, etc, being offered, but when it comes to blood sacrifice, how is that reconciled with the book of Hebrews in which Paul is admonishing believing Jews not to go back to Judaism; emphasizing that Jesus’ sacrifice was once and for all.? I realize that there were blood sacrifices other than the sacrifice on the Day of Atonement, picturing Jesus’ atonement sacrifice. Can you shed some additional light on this?

A. Once you see the church as only an interruption to the dispensation of Law, then the return of the Temple with its animal sacrifice after the Rapture makes sense. (It’s also easier to see why the Rapture has to precede the 70th Week.) Everything must be like it was before.

The age of Grace is a special “limited time offer” that expires with the Rapture. Paul said its purpose was to make the Jews envious (Romans 11:11) and that’s what it did. The Jews had fits about it and tried their best to draw converts back into Judaism, but the writer of Hebrews warned them against it. During the Age of Grace the old way would no longer be accepted because they had failed to see that it pointed to the Messiah (Hebr. 10:1-4). During the Church Age salvation can only be achieved by Grace alone.

But all that ends with the Rapture and Israel will be given another opportunity to get it right. This time they will. Toward the end of the 70th Week God will pour out a Spirit of Grace and supplication and they will look to the One they have pierced. (Zech 12:10) Then their blood guilt (Matt. 27:25), which to this day has not been pardoned, will be pardoned (Joel 3:21) and the Kingdom Age will be ushered in.

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bibl...in/#more-12258

HeReigns4Ever · July 5th, 2010, 08:03 PM

I don't even know what that is or means.....my only belief is Jesus Christ crucified and raised again and that He's coming back! But to keep from breaking any rules, I will continue to limit my posting

**iSong6:3** · July 5th, 2010, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by HeReigns4Ever

I don't even know what that is or means.....my only belief is Jesus Christ crucified and raised again and that He's coming back! But to keep from breaking any rules, I will continue to limit my posting

I was making the point that if you feel you religiously must and do keep all 613 of the Mosaic Laws then you must (try to) keep the Jewish Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday with all the added laws about it (carrying things, how far you can walk, maybe even to not turn on electric lights, drive a car and not tear toilet paper off the roll, etc., which is called Sabbatarianism), you must think you are the *real* Israel (Replacement Theology), and to try to keep all the commandments given is called *legalism*.

Ah, you don't?

Good, post away!

I was trying to use an exaggeration to help you to see what you were saying. Please do keep posting, it's good to talk about things together and to fellowship this side of Home.

**Steve53** · July 5th, 2010, 08:24 PM

http://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-sacrifices.html

Question: "Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom?"

Answer: There are several passages in the Old Testament that clearly indicate animal sacrifice will be re-instituted during the millennial kingdom. Some passages mention it in passing as the topic of the millennial kingdom is discussed, passages like Isaiah 56:6-8, Zechariah 14:16, and Jeremiah 33:15-18.

The passage that is the most extensive, giving the greatest detail, is Ezekiel 43:18-46:24. It should be noted that this is part of a greater passage dealing with the millennial kingdom, a passage that begins with Ezekiel 40. In Ezekiel 40, the Lord begins to give details of the temple that will exist during the millennial kingdom, a temple that dwarfs all other temples previously built, even Herod’s temple that was quite large in size, which existed during the earthly ministry of Christ.

After the Lord finished giving details concerning the size and appearance of the temple and the altar, the Lord then begins to give detailed instruction as to the animal sacrifices that will be offered (Ezekiel 43:18-27). In chapter 44, the Lord gives instructions as to who will be offering sacrifices to the Lord. The Lord states that all of the Levites will not be offering blood and fat to the Lord due to previous sin; it will be those from the lineage of Zadok (verse 15). Chapters 45 and 46 continue to mention that animal sacrifices will be made.

The primary objection made to the idea of animal sacrifices returning during the millennial kingdom is that Christ has come and offered a perfect sacrifice for sin, and there is therefore no need to sacrifice animals for sin. However, it must be remembered that animal sacrifice never removed the sin that spiritually separated a person from the Lord.

Hebrews 10:1-4 says, “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (NASB).

It is incorrect to think that animal sacrifices took away sins in the Old Testament, and it is incorrect to think they will do so in the millennial kingdom. Animal sacrifices served as object lessons for the sinner, that sin was and is a horrible offense against God, and that the result of sin is death. Romans 3:20 says, “because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.”

Most premillennial scholars agree that the purpose of animal sacrifice during the millennial kingdom is memorial in nature. As the Lord’s Supper is a reminder of the death of Christ to the Church today, animal sacrifices will be a reminder during the millennial kingdom. To those born during the millennial kingdom, animal sacrifices will again be an object lesson. During that future time, righteousness and holiness will prevail, but those with earthly bodies will still have a sin nature, and there will be a need to teach about how offensive sin is to a holy and righteous God. Animal sacrifices will serve that purpose, "But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year" (Hebrews 10:3).

**dleader** · July 5th, 2010, 08:40 PM

What we do know is that during the tribulation the Jews will call out to God and when Jesus returns He will make them more prosperous than every before. So I wonder if 2 Chron 7:14 could have a "fulfillment" during the millenial kingdom.

**iSong6:3** · July 5th, 2010, 08:40 PM

HeReigns - I forgot this: Regarding your holding on to the promise of 2 Chronicles 7:14 for your own coming back to the Lord, I think it's just the fact of this -

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

You agreed with the Lord (repented) so you came to Him and confessed your sins. He is faithful and just to forgive your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness. Your fellowship with Him is restored. You now live with the fruit of that decision in your own life - and it's very sweet fruit.

But that's really the point of what you needed to believe in. God did not go on to heal all of the country you live in. What happened to you was just what 1 John 1:9 said. Just wanted to make that distinction.

**HeIsEnough** · July 5th, 2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by HeReigns4Ever

So....excluding God healing America.....are we saying that a person who knows the word and commands of God and willingly chooses to walk contrary to God's will and word cannot be restored? For example...a person accepts Christ as Savior, walks in God's ways for 10 years or so and is blessed spiritually, physically, and financially.....then the person decides NOT to follow Christ anymore for whatever reason and begins to live a lifestyle full of idolatry, promiscuity, etc. The person begins to get sick alot, and have an unstable mind, and their home life is full of turmoil...they have nearly lost all the ground they gained when walking with Christ.......then the person turns back to the faith and walks again with Christ....their sickness goes away, their spiritual calling (whatever it may be) is restored and they gain stability back in their mind and finances......Is that not "healing the land" so to speak? Did this person not turn from that which they knew was contrary to God's word and begin to seek him again? Is there no restoration after forgiveness??? Just because we are now under grace, it doesn't mean that Old Testament laws don't pertain to us.....Can we mate with animals or siblings? Can we have more than one spouse at a time? Do we pick and choose which scriptures pertain to our walk with God? Surely not!
And just to make my point, the person mentioned above was me.....and i prayed this scripture when I returned to God last year(after being prodigal for nearly 5 years) and the person I was before I left, is nothing compared to who I am now! There is life in God's word.....all of it.

*now, I really agree to disagree!*

God can restore everything, as you full know, but He did not give you land in Israel, Christ did not descend from your lineage unless you are Jewish, He did not promise your ancestors He would bring their descendants back to the land He gave them, and many more.

The distinctiveness of Israel is not an insult to anyone, it is just a fact of scripture. And scripture cannot be "rightly divided" unless this is understood. Jesus said a very interesting thing when He said "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Matthew 15:24 This is teaching you will not hear in many churches today, sadly. Even the grace we receive today was not always so, and today Israel is experiencing the "sternness of God." (in part) Romans 11:22. That time is coming to an end soon, and the rest of the nations will experience God's sternness again, for hating Israel and primarily for trampling the Son of God underfoot and insulting the Spirit in God's redemptive offer to men. I really don't know how you can disagree with this and understand the position of this board and the purpose of the rapture.

**Buzzardhut** · July 6th, 2010, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by dleader

What we do know is that during the tribulation the Jews will call out to God and when Jesus returns He will make them more prosperous than every before. So I wonder if 2 Chron 7:14 could have a "fulfillment" during the millenial kingdom.

all of God's blessings are fulfilled in the millennium

HeReigns4Ever · July 6th, 2010, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by HeIsEnough

God can restore everything, as you full know, but He did not give you land in Israel, Christ did not descend from your lineage unless you are Jewish, He did not promise your ancestors He would bring their descendants back to the land He gave them, and many more.

The distinctiveness of Israel is not an insult to anyone, it is just a fact of scripture. And scripture cannot be "rightly divided" unless this is understood. Jesus said a very interesting thing when He said "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Matthew 15:24 This is teaching you will not hear in many churches today, sadly. Even the grace we receive today was not always so, and today Israel is experiencing the "sternness of God." (in part) Romans 11:22. That time is coming to an end soon, and the rest of the nations will experience God's sternness again, for hating Israel and primarily for trampling the Son of God underfoot and insulting the Spirit in God's redemptive offer to men. I really don't know how you can disagree with this and understand the position of this board and the purpose of the rapture.

Perhaps I was misunderstood in my posting or perhaps i misunderstood the context of Song's initial post but I know God didn't give me any "land" back naturally, i never stated that in any of my comments....

2)I still disagree (that is my right) but there is no misunderstanding any position of this board or the purpose of the rapture honey..... Everyone has thoughts and opinions and i simply put mine out. It's discussion right? Besides, Song and I came to a common ground of understanding... if any of the above posts were read.

I am excited to hear the trump sound so I can ask the Lord everything concerning scripture.....all my questions answered, all the wrongs, righted......as the song writer says "We'll understand it better by and by"! Amen!

**Bruce Baber** · July 6th, 2010, 01:06 PM

If I recall correctly (forgive me if I didn't remember correctly) God used Jonah to get the people of Ninevah to repent and as such they were spared much to Jonah's displeasure.

If that has an application, then I suppose any people can can repent and get right with God and thus be spared.

Just my humble opinion.

**Anddra** · July 6th, 2010, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bruce Baber

If I recall correctly (forgive me if I didn't remember correctly) God used Jonah to get the people of Ninevah to repent and as such they were spared much to Jonah's displeasure.

If that has an application, then I suppose any people can can repent and get right with God and thus be spared.

Just my humble opinion.

The issue is not all people in the land, as in Nineveh, but a revival amongst Christians as if America is their land. The bible does not support such an interpretation of 2 Chronicles 7.

Also, this is a dispensation of Grace, and God is not judging as in OT times. There will come a time when the lord Jesus will return to this earth as judge but that time is not now.

**Buzzardhut** · July 6th, 2010, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anddra

The issue is not all people in the land, as in Nineveh, but a revival amongst Christians as if America is their land. The bible does not support such an interpretation of 2 Chronicles 7.

Also, this is a dispensation of Grace, and God is not judging as in OT times. There will come a time when the lord Jesus will return to this earth as judge but that time is not now.

God's judgment of the nations, including America and the ME, will begin when the rapture ends the age of grace, currently I see God's judgments busting at the seams, the dam will break at any moment.

**iSong6:3** · July 6th, 2010, 03:19 PM