2 Chronicles 7:14 - Prayer for America?

[Carrie Grace]

I think the video, which I posted as a separate thread, was moved over to this thread. Or I am losing my mind which could definitely be the case. I didn't post the video for the one quick flash of a child holding the Bible verse sign, it was for the over all message of the video, though I did comment that I particularly liked that quick blip in the video, which I suppose is why it was moved over here. I mentioned I liked it because any time a verse gets used, there is the very real possibility that someone will open a Bible to check it out. And once that Bible is open...

I think the video sends a strong message to the Washington DC establishment: Watch out. The people are mad, and YOUR job is not safe! And since Glenn Beck mentioned it on his radio program the other day, it has gotten a LOT of attention! The reference to 2Chron7:14 was a quick blip on a placard held by a child. That was it.

I just want people to know that I did not post this video and make my comment about the verse on this already established thread to stir things up. That is not something I would do. I am new here, and I respect everyone's opinions and am mostly in tiptoeing mode. For now. (JK)

[iSong6:3]

As J. Vernon McGee said: "All scripture is not to us, but all scripture is for us". The OT was written to Israel, but in the NT the apostle Paul wrote that "all scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching...", and I believe Peter wrote that those things were written in the past so that we could know.... I hope you do not discount the teaching of the OT simply because the prophets were addressing the people of Israel. Remember, at that time the church was still unknown, a mystery not revealed until our Lord Jesus himself revealed it.

"...all scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching...", Hey carol - I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Yes, of course all Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching but it doesn't say that all Scripture is God-breathed and every promise written is for every believer. They are different concepts.

We can and are certainly to learn from every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The Bible has promises for Israel and to individuals wherein we can see how He has related to them, His character, the heart of man, many many things. Therefore it is all useful for teaching. But regarding such things as the titular verse that God promised to Israel, it is not for us. God made a covenant with Israel, not us.

As His Bride says below, we are told to pray for our leaders. Our hearts tell us to pray for our country. But God has made no commitment to us that He would stay His judgment if that is what He wills just because the Christians of the land outside Israel have humbled themselves, sought Him, prayed. Those things are good, they are what we should always do.

But His will be done, not ours. That's how Jesus taught us to pray.

Praying for our country is a must, but it does not come with a promise.....not for America!!!! It is a promise made specifically to Israel!

[Anddra]

I think the video, which I posted as a separate thread, was moved over to this thread. Or I am losing my mind which could definitely be the case. I didn't post the video for the one quick flash of a child holding the Bible verse sign, it was for the over all message of the video, though I did comment that I particularly liked that quick blip in the video, which I suppose is why it was moved over here. I mentioned I liked it because any time a verse gets used, there is the very real possibility that someone will open a Bible to check it out. And once that Bible is open...

I think the video sends a strong message to the Washington DC establishment: Watch out. The people are mad, and YOUR job is not safe! And since Glenn Beck mentioned it on his radio program the other day, it has gotten a LOT of attention! The reference to 2Chron7:14 was a quick blip on a placard held by a child. That was it.

I just want people to know that I did not post this video and make my comment about the verse on this already established thread to stir things up. That is not something I would do. I am new here, and I respect everyone's opinions and am mostly in tiptoeing mode. For now. (JK)

No problem, Carrie. That verse is a current topic right now so tends to get picked up on when it is referred to.

[carol1948]

"...all scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching...", Hey carol - I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Yes, of course all Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching but it doesn't say that all Scripture is God-breathed and every promise written is for every believer. They are different concepts.

We can and are certainly to learn from every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The Bible has promises for Israel and to individuals wherein we can see how He has related to them, His character, the heart of man, many many things. Therefore it is all useful for teaching. But regarding such things as the titular verse that God promised to Israel, it is not for us. God made a covenant with Israel, not us.

As His Bride says below, we are told to pray for our leaders. Our hearts tell us to pray for our country. But God has made no commitment to us that He would stay His judgment if that is what He wills just because the Christians of the land outside Israel have humbled themselves, sought Him, prayed. Those things are good, they are what we should always do.

But His will be done, not ours. That's how Jesus taught us to pray.

Thanks for your comment, but I disagree that I'm mixing apples and oranges, though maybe it sounds like it to you. The question was why don't Christians get it, referring to why do they use that particular scripture as a claim of a promise to heal our land. I think they/we use it because it's there, and our land is in desparate need of God's healing touch. Nevertheless, I agree totally with you that we are taught to pray in Jesus' name, Thy will be done. Like most if not all Christians on this board I don't believe our nation will be healed, but will continue its downward spiral, and my prayer is that it is God's will that Jesus come for us very soon.

[Buzzardhut]

Thanks for your comment, but I disagree that I'm mixing apples and oranges, though maybe it sounds like it to you. The question was why don't Christians get it, referring to why do they use that particular scripture as a claim of a promise to heal our land. I think they/we use it because it's there, and our land is in desparate need of God's healing touch. Nevertheless, I agree totally with you that we are taught to pray in Jesus' name, Thy will be done. Like most if not all Christians on this board I don't believe our nation will be healed, but will continue its downward spiral, and my prayer is that it is God's will that Jesus come for us very soon.

the greater context is Israel.
It's the same as trying to apply Genesis 12:3 to us personally as Christians.
There is a separate distinction between the bride and Israel, we also do not sacrifice animals as Israel is instructed. We cannot claim all verses addressed to Israel as our own even though many principles are applicable, beneficial, or even in some cases transferable.

Should we pray for our community? yes
Do we cite 2 Chronicles 7:14 as the reason? no
there are plenty of verses calling us to pray for our society

[iSong6:3]

You can tell Buzz is a teacher!

Folks that don't agree, I'm just concerned that some very dear and well-meaning believers don't get confused or worse if they *claim* this verse and *hold God accountable* for something He did not promise to Christians in every country.

[Buzzardhut]

I'm just concerned that some very dear and well-meaning believers don't get confused or worse if they *claim* this verse and *hold God accountable* for something He did not promise to Christians in every country.

name it and claim it is not profitable and leads to discouragement and disappointment

[Deborah 55]

the greater context is Israel.
It's the same as trying to apply Genesis 12:3 to us personally as Christians.
There is a separate distinction between the bride and Israel, we also do not sacrifice animals as Israel is instructed. We cannot claim all verses addressed to Israel as our own even though many principles are applicable, beneficial, or even in some cases transferable.

Should we pray for our community? yes
Do we cite 2 Chronicles 7:14 as the reason? no
there are plenty of verses calling us to pray for our society

......I believe the Church is the Bride of Christ.......and Israel is the wife of God...who went after other " lovers".(Gods)...But has been bought back from the auctioneer's block.(Gomer)..and someday will be forever with her true Husband.......jmho...

[iSong6:3]

......I believe the Church is the Bride of Christ.......and Israel is the wife of God...who went after other " lovers".(Gods)...But has been bought back from the auctioneer's block.(Gomer)..and someday will be forever with her true Husband.......jmho...

To be faithful to Him forever and ever!!

[caligal]

Very good thread. I agree, we are not Israel.

[Deborah 55]

[Servantleader]

I'm sure many here have heard of the Charles Stanley commitment for 140 days of prayer for this country. I'm doing it and earnestly asking for God's mercy, grace, and forgiveness for the way we have turned our backs on Him, pushed Him out of our schools, courthouses, and legislatures, etc. On one hand I REALLY, REALLY want a return to the Judeo-Christian foundations on which this country was formed, but....

I want to go home!! I want Christ to come and rapture us out of here. I'm tired of the evil and pollution that this world shoves down our throats that chokes the soul and leaves one weary and longing for the breath of life that only comes from God Almighty.

I'm praying, but it is a two-fold prayer...Lord forgive us, but...Come quickly, Lord!!


Anyone else going through this?

[freedomnut]

Know the feeling very well!!!

[sahopper]

AMEN !!!

Take me home !!!

[Jack]

I agree, I pray for this nation, but, most of my prayers are for the Lord Jesus to take us home.

[4everSaved]

I really feel there is no hope for this world UNTIL our Lord and Savior returns!!!

[SaintTexas]

If I am not mistaken, Terry and Todd (the owners of RR) are on board with this and have it posted in their weekly commentary. Two guys totally devoted to educating others on the Lord and His return for His church and end-times events still believe we should continue praying over our nation.

We are not going to hurt our nation by praying for the Lord to have His way with it and us. His way eventually is going to be coming for His own and cleaning house for His reign. If souls are saved by our prayers, if we are given eternal rewards for being faithful in our prayers to the Lord admitting our constant need for Him and our dependence on Him, where is the downside? We don't have to stop looking for our redemption in order to do this, do we? Doesn't Jesus write seven letters to His churches and tell five of seven to repent? Some of those who are repenting or need to live in our nation, and if they did, that will not make things worse nor will it delay Christ's return for us. If it did anything, I would think it would bring it closer. We need the "full number" to sail, don't we?

No two sided coin that I can see.

[Servantleader]

[QUOTE=SaintTexas;1893626] Some of those who are repenting or need to live in our nation, and if they did, that will not make things worse nor will it delay Christ's return for us. If it did anything, I would think it would bring it closer. We need the "full number" to sail, don't we?

No two sided coin that I can see.[/QUOTE]

I agree I guess I was just venting a little bit about how on one hand I want the nation to turn back to God in forgiveness and repentance (which hopefully adds to the Body of Christ) and at the same time, I want Him to come NOW because I'm tired of this ol' wicked world!!

Just venting

[Metacom]

Hal Lindseys latest email really clarified for me exactly how I can pray for America. I really didn't know what to pray anymore but this made a whole lot of sense to me:

"Many of you write to me to express how helpless you feel as you watch these charades unfold on the nightly news. I completely understand. I have an idea. It's not a new one. I know others are doing this around the country. When you feel in despair over how quickly our nation is sliding into this pit of confusion, deception, and denial, and you ache to do something about it, make it a point to pray specifically that God will cause the truth to be revealed. You don't have to pray 'against' anyone or any organization, just pray that the lies will be exposed and the truth will be revealed. We know that God loves the truth and if He, by His grace, intervenes to cause the truth to be revealed in our culture, our society, and our government, then maybe we can begin to see a return to sanity and our Judeo-Christian heritage in our beloved America."

[Anddra]

Merged with the 2 Chronicles 7:14 thread. Please read the thread. It puts this in context.