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    I'm beginning to think we're in Communist China, not the United States of America.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/15...ourt-building/

    A group of Christian students was ordered to stop praying outside the U.S. Supreme Court building on May 5 because a court police officer told them it was against the law.

    The students were part of a junior high school American History class at Wickenburg Christian Academy in Arizona. After taking pictures on the steps of the Supreme Court building, their teacher gathered them to a side location where they formed a circle and began to pray.

    According to Nate Kellum, senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund, a police officer “abruptly” interrupted the prayer and ordered the group to cease and desist.

    “They were told to stop praying because they were violating the law and they had to take their prayer elsewhere,” Kellum told FOX News Radio.

    The American History teacher, Maureen Rigo, said she was stunned.

    “I was pretty shocked because we’ve prayed there before and it’s never been an issue,” she told FOX News Radio. “His (the police officer’s) comment was ‘I’m not going to tell you that you can’t pray. You just can’t pray here.’”

    So the group of 15 students and seven adults left the Supreme Court and relocated to a sidewalk – where Rigo said the children stood in a gutter – and continued their prayer.

    “It was just supposed to be a time that we could pray quietly for the Supreme Court, for the decisions they need to make and for our congressmen,” she said. “We kind of feel like our government can use all the prayers it can get.”

    “It’s an outrage of the first magnitude,” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ). The school is in his congressional district.

    “When the day comes that people at the Supreme Court press children off into the gutter before they can pray, it portends a very frightening future for this country,” he told FOX News Radio.

    “This police officer acted reprehensibly,” Franks said. “Those students had every right to pray there on the steps of the Supreme Court.”

    The Alliance Defense Fund sent a letter to the Supreme Court urging them to stop their police officers from banning prayers.

    A spokesperson for the Court said the Marshal of the Court will look into the events alleged by the ADF.

    “The Court does not have a policy prohibiting prayer,” said public information officer Kathy Arberg in an email to FOX News Radio.

    “The Court’s policy regarding the use of most public areas at the Court has been to permit activity related to the business of the Court, including traditional tourist activity and ingress and egress for visitors, but not to permit demonstrations and other types of activity that may tend to draw a crowd or onlookers,” she said. “In addition, under 40 U.S.C. section 6135, it is unlawful to parade, stand or move in processions or assemblages in the building and grounds, including the plaza and steps, but not including the perimeter sidewalks.”

    But Kellum said the 15 students and seven adults did not constitute a parade.

    “From what we gather, the police officer at the Supreme Court building determined that because they were bowing their heads, they were bringing notice to their Christianity which they considered a movement and thus violating this federal statute,” he said.

    Congressman Franks said he worried about the message it sent to the young children.

    “I hope somehow this injustice is brought right,” he said. “These kids shouldn’t grow up thinking that it’s all right to stand by and let that happen to them. Their courage may keep it from happening not only to other children, but may be some sort of example to the nation.”

    Bob Ritter, staff attorney for the American Humanist Association and a member of the Supreme Court Bar, said he doesn’t believe the police officer’s action had anything to do with an attack on religion.

    “The policy would be that a group of people would not be able to amass on the steps for security reasons,” he told FOX News Radio. “But this would not have anything to do with praying.”

    Rigo said she decided to use the events of last May as a learning experience for her young students.

    “We do a long study on the U.S. Constitution,” she said. “We talked about the rights that we have given to us in the First Amendment – the right to freedom of speech, the right to freedom of religion. We have the right to peaceful assembly. We have the right to due process of law. We feel like all of those things had been denied us there.”

    And that’s why on the eve of the National Day of Prayer a group of boys and girls from Arizona was praying in a gutter in the shadow of the Supreme Court of the United States.

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    Link is no longer thier, wow,
    Luke 21:25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

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    I fixed the link.

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    Hard times, they are a coming... Hope the Lord comes for His bride soon.
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    Luke 21:25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

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    Against the law? I would have said to that cop, you care to take this inside?

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    Cross That Officer

    The officer needs to be fired and whoever ordered him to stop the prayer group needs to be fired. They also need to be sued.

    If it had been a group of muslims they would have been asked to come inside and pray in the air conditioning. Christians had better start standing up for our rights or else we will have none.

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    Those government officials need to remember they are our employees.


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    They lied. It is not against the law to pray anywhere. You should have told the stanlinistas to talk to your lawyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cryo View Post
    Against the law? I would have said to that cop, you care to take this inside?
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    I hope they sue and win their lawsuit.

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    Anyone up for a prayer in front of your nearest courthouse? Let them arrest me. God will use it for His glory. Let them lock me up and throw away the key. I will start a prison church. Its time we got serious about worshipping and praising God and sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is ever so clear just how serious the enemy is about suppressing it.


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    Begin by telling the children when they are young that the christian faith is illegal. By the time they are grown, many will accept this as the truth. I feel strongly that persecution in The U.S is very light... clearly can not be compared to other countries persecutions, such as Iran, China, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Russia, etc, etc, etc,. But the disease has been implanted, and will spread like a cancer.
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    I think we will see this more and more, it be for or against the law. The 1st Amendment gives freedom to religion, but they twist it to mean whatever they want to and I believe we will see laws in the future that will ban Christianity.
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    Maybe on the Temple Mount, but DC belongs to We the People.

    So long as quiet, respectful, not blocking a path way, there is Nothing that can be done.

    They should have continued then offered to pray for the officer right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    Maybe on the Temple Mount, but DC belongs to We the People.

    So long as quiet, respectful, not blocking a path way, there is Nothing that can be done.

    They should have continued then offered to pray for the officer right there.
    I can't disagree with you, but I'd like to offer what I believe might have been the teacher's perspective. The teacher and students were on a filed trip away from their school. Parents had to sign permission slips to allow their children to go on this field trip. The teacher had a responsibility to do everything possible to protect the students and to keep them out of trouble. No matter how right the teacher would have been in standing up to the officer, the parents would have held the teacher and the school responsible if the children had been arrested. The school, in turn, would have placed the blame on the teacher. Even if the teacher sued and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court and the teacher won, that would not negate the fact that the teacher would likely have been accused of using poor judgement and endangering the students.


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    It's coming... persecution.

    I really wonder sometimes when I'm handing out Bibles, how long I'll be ABLE to do it. How long before they shut down my providers of literature? How long before anything to do with evangelism is targeted?

    I think that is one reason I feel so compelled to do it. Better get your tracts now while you still can.

    On the positive side, did you know Bibles are a non-tax item in Texas?

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    Jade,

    On the other hand, the teacher might be charged with denying the kids their freedom of religious expression and were looking forward to persecution -jail time.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acts5:41 View Post
    It's coming... persecution.

    I really wonder sometimes when I'm handing out Bibles, how long I'll be ABLE to do it. How long before they shut down my providers of literature? How long before anything to do with evangelism is targeted?

    I think that is one reason I feel so compelled to do it. Better get your tracts now while you still can.

    On the positive side, did you know Bibles are a non-tax item in Texas?
    I really wonder sometimes when I'm handing out Bibles, how long I'll be ABLE to do it. How long before they shut down my providers of literature? How long before anything to do with evangelism is targeted?
    Not a second before God allows it. As you so rightly point out:
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    4 that I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak.
    5 Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. 6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.
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    Just goes to show you how much they are afraid of prayer.

    Love to scare em.
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