Really good try there! But, I'm afraid......old habits (no pun intended) die hard!Originally Posted by Verisimilitude
Really good try there! But, I'm afraid......old habits (no pun intended) die hard!
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It took until 1955 for the Vatican to decide that Mary "ascended" into Heaven like Jesus. They created a statue of this event, with Mary being uplifted in clouds. They keep going back and forth with the "Co-Redemptrix" concept (Mary being able to save, just like Jesus). Oops! Scripture says there is ONE intercessor between God and man, that being Christ Jesus.
From one "apparition" to another (Medjugorge, Garabandal, Fatima, etc.) "Mary" wants you to say the rosary and "Be in (her) Sacred Heart". This will get you through whatever the tough time is (like a war). First of all, I never quite figured out what it means to be in Mary's Sacred Heart. I do know that Christians are in God's heart, but, more importantly, we have invited His Son into OUR HEARTS. Seems like quite a difference.
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It grieves me when I see those RCC Mary Gate of Heaven churches.
There is but one gate and one way.... Jesus
Luke 13:22-30 (New King James Version)
22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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They don't even see that by believing the false superstitions about Mary they are relegating the sacrifice of Jesus to the backseat....It cost the Father everything to send the Son to die in our place....everything!
If Mary and her Assumption and Immaculate Heart were enough, why would the Father send the Son to die and receive the punishment for sin???It makes no sense. It doesn't take rocket science to figure that out!
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All of the links went to Jim Tetlow who is spot on exposing the lies of Catholicism. C Peter Wagner should be avoided. He is an emergent dominionist.Are these folks embracing Catholicism or exposing the lies? Cuz all of them are the emergent chruch/Dominionist types. They do see themselves as conquering and establishing the Kingdom of
God thru poitical agenda BEFORE Jesus returns.
Romans 16:17-18
King James Version (KJV)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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My head nearly exploded 30 seconds in with her lies and the problems with what she is saying. So many biblical errors we could be here all day tearing this one down. Satan's deception is very strong and the Catholic Church is carrying his torch.
Romans 16:17-18
King James Version (KJV)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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How about just the three major errors? The first being exactly what God thinks of making any type of offering to the 'queen of heaven'...
My head nearly exploded 30 seconds in with her lies and the problems with what she is saying. So many biblical errors we could be here all day tearing this one down. Satan's deception is very strong and the Catholic Church is carrying his torch.
Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Angering God, that's a real problem and the first error. The second error is calling Mary, blessed servant of the Most High God, by the name of a pagan goddess, namely "queen of heaven'. How much more can one dishonor this wonderful woman than by comparing her to a pagan goddess?
The third error actually made me laugh. It was a major hole in the theory that Jesus will do whatever His mother asks of Him based on Solomon and his mother. I bet you all know what the problem is, it's a major omission to the story of Solomon, Bathsheba and Adonijah. Let's see how it ends...
1 Kings 2:22-25 And king Solomon answered and said unto his mother, And why dost thou ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? ask for him the kingdom also; for he is mine elder brother; even for him, and for Abiathar the priest, and for Joab the son of Zeruiah. Then king Solomon sware by the LORD, saying, God do so to me, and more also, if Adonijah have not spoken this word against his own life. Now therefore, as the LORD liveth, which hath established me, and set me on the throne of David my father, and who hath made me an house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death this day. And king Solomon sent by the hand of Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he fell upon him that he died.
So Adonijah asked Bathsheba to intercede for him with Solomon and instead of gaining a wife and the kingdom as well, he was executed. Not only did Solomon not grant Bathsheba her request on behalf of Adonijah, in spite of having told her he would grant her her request, but he went to the far extreme opposite and took Adonijah out of his way, forever! That's the entirety of the example catholics follow by putting their petitions through Mary. Scary stuff if you're not blinded by false doctrine and mindless dogma.
My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai!
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Very interesting. I stopped listening midway through the story to avoid an aneurism.
I guess Catholics are right if they use this story to support Mary as being intermediary. We just have to not let them stop the story before the part where the King destroys the people who are going to His mother to reach Him.
How can anyone in good conscience push this idea of Mary being our intercessor based on the story of Solomon, Bathsheba and Adonijah and present it in edited form? I'm curious if the woman speaking is aware of this and still chooses to go forward with the deceit or if she is simply ignorant because the Catholic Church doesnt exactly promote reading the bible.
Romans 16:17-18
King James Version (KJV)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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There's another toxic phrase in addition to "Queen of Heaven":
"Mother of God".
The implications are similar. Pardon me if already posted.
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good point
Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" Come LORD Jesus !
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That video made my stomach hurt. Was one of those lyrics really "For your (Mary) honor his (Jesus) ministry started that day"?Makes it pretty clear to me what's going on.
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these are goodAre these folks embracing Catholicism or exposing the lies? Cuz all of them are the emergent chruch/Dominionist types. They do see themselves as conquering and establishing the Kingdom of
God thru poitical agenda BEFORE Jesus returns.
I took out the bad ones
even though they expose mariolitry they are dominionists
I don't think Tetlow is a dominionist
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/3/...QueenOfAll.pdf
Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" Come LORD Jesus !
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Unbelievable use of scripture twisting!!! And the masses, no pun intended, follow the deceit....
and now, dear Father, remove that song from my mind, please.....
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The argument that Catholics ask Mary to "pray for them" just like they might ask one of us to "pray for them" violates God's prohibition against necromancy. Mary has passed - we have not.
As has been pointed out many times on this board, any attempt to make contact with someone in the eternal realm other than Jesus can only result in communion with a demonic entity.
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If any of you are not familiar with Roger Oakland I encourage you to get and read his book, Faith Undone. He is such a great guy. He is absolutely unmovable and firm in his stand against emergent/false teaching. Please read it if you get a chance.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 (New International Version)
4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
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absolutely a good book! very eye opening and informative!
I dont get how they think that asking Mary to intercede is like asking someone who is alive to pray. Mary is dead . . .
as far as this video. . . . wow, if you go and look up queen of heaven, she is not cast in a very nice light at all . . . they must have blinders on.
Jeremiah 44
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dicti...of-heaven.html
http://www.creationists.org/Messages...bleverses.html
wow, they think that customs are interchangeable with laws?
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Wonderful!!
I've only ever heard that song in the movie, "Sister Act" and always liked the tune, but not the words. Thanks for giving us Christ-honoring words to meditate on when the tune runs through our heads!
Now.... if someone could come up with Christ-honoring words to "Ave Maria" that would be great!
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)
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No she isn't, at least not if you're a roman catholic. Back in the 1950's, the rcc came up with a new dogma/heresy. This particular dogma when explained in its fullest is that Mary died, but three days after she died, she came back to life and was assumed, body and soul, into heaven. Sound familiar?I dont get how they think that asking Mary to intercede is like asking someone who is alive to pray. Mary is dead . . .
Catholics will also use this following verse from the Bible to justify praying to saints. To them, saints are not dead:
Matthew 22:32 God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
When you have Mary having been treated to resurrection coupled with God being God of the living, what you have is a bunch of people that you can ask to pray for you. Those people are saints, meaning they bypassed purgatory and went straight to heaven based on their numerous good works. They have God's ear so to speak. Let's face it, who is God more likely to listen and respond to? Sinners or saints?
Of course I realize this is all twisting of scripture coupled with some real whoppers. I recognize it, but many others do not. When you've had this stuff drummed into your head all your life, chances are you're either going to fall for it completely like so many catholics faithful to Mary do, or reject it totally when you realize what a lie it is, and stop seeking Christ altogether. Some are blessed enough to recognize the lies and seek out the Truth, (Yeshuah), but most don't.
If all this has you wanting to bang your head against a wall
My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai!
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http://www.olacathedral.org/cathedral/art/door.html
I will never forget the discussions that went on years ago about his cathedral in Los Angelas. Click on the image at the above link to see the full image of the architecture of the doors and the "Mary" that resides above them.
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