Hey has anyone heard of Dr.Ouwar?

[nanny]

I've never heard of this guy. I just happened to read something and skimmed a couple of other things-it looks like he predicted a couple of the recent disasters and told people if they didn't repent these things would happen-just wondering if anyone knows anything about him?

[Mitsy]

Let's see. If people don't repent the world is going to see famines and earthquakes and pestilence and disease and floods and other natural disasters.

Seems to me someone making those claims is not going to have a hard time getting people to believe them?

I've seen quite a bit of the guy on another forum. Not impressed.

I don't bother with prophets I already have the Bible.

[Nightelf]

Nanny - moving your thread to apostasy, it will probaby get more action there.

[Tall Timbers]

I'd never heard of him but he sounds interesting. I found this page that gives some insight:

< mod edit > Sorry, TT, no blogs.

Suffice it to say the information provided was very troubling, agreed?

[Perpetualbug]

[Mod Edit {Mod Snip} Sorry rule 14 applies - especially so in this case. ]

[futurehope]

I have a question about some of the clips I viewed......why do people fall over?

I've seen this with Benny Hinn. I do not recall this in the Bible. I find it a bit worrisome. What is going on when this happens?

[Tall Timbers]

I'd never heard of him but he sounds interesting. I found this page that gives some insight:

< mod edit > Sorry, TT, no blogs.

Suffice it to say the information provided was very troubling, agreed?

Sorry, I'm not real savvy about recognizing a blog. I thought it was a foreign newspaper/magazine.

[booklover]

I have a question about some of the clips I viewed......why do people fall over?

I've seen this with Benny Hinn. I do not recall this in the Bible. I find it a bit worrisome. What is going on when this happens?

People involved in signs and wonders would tell you that the power of God is causing these people to be "slain in the spirit"

However........in the Bible when people fall backward, it is in the context of judgment. When we see people facing God, they are on their FACES before Him.

Sadly, spiritual manifestations in Benny Hinn's and the Toronto Blessing type movements seem to be the same as activation of the kundalini type--there are videos showing clips comparing the two experiences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

I know that I long to feel God's presence, and that is what sends people to a "revival" hoping to "feel" different. The Bible tells us to "test the Spirits". We do not want to quench the Spirit, but we do want to stay away from lying and deceiving spirits. You should always pray for discernment and protection from the Evil one. Test everything by Scripture. Drunk kind of behavior is contrary to the Bible which tells us to be sober and vigilant.

[Perpetualbug]

I know that I long to feel God's presence, and that is what sends people to a "revival" hoping to "feel" different. The Bible tells us to "test the Spirits". We do not want to quench the Spirit, but we do want to stay away from lying and deceiving spirits. You should always pray for discernment and protection from the Evil one. Test everything by Scripture. Drunk kind of behavior is contrary to the Bible which tells us to be sober and vigilant.

[nanny]

I just thought he was interesting because he seems to have told people in some specific places if they didn't repent specific disasters would happen and the disasters did happen.
As far as falling down -for years I went to meetings where that was going on-and I would pray for a touch from God and I was so willing, but I was often the only one still standing-I thought there was something wrong with me, and other people thought I was resisting God.

[Tall Timbers]

I just thought he was interesting because he seems to have told people in some specific places if they didn't repent specific disasters would happen and the disasters did happen.
As far as falling down -for years I went to meetings where that was going on-and I would pray for a touch from God and I was so willing, but I was often the only one still standing-I thought there was something wrong with me, and other people thought I was resisting God.

I remember that during the charismatic period. The falling back seemed a little strange to me at the time. I know I never fell... even when pushed a bit.

[nanny]

Once I almost fell and thought I felt the Holy Spirit REALLY strong-turns out the Pastor had just popped me extra hard on the forehead! I was so disappointed.

[futurehope]

Thanks. It looks totally weird.

[booklover]

Did some research on the Doctor.

He has quite a few degrees. People find fault with him for divorce and cohabitation. There are videos of him baptizing President Odinga, and he is called a prophet to the nations.

He apparently has a lot of influence, and calls for repentance. Someone pointed out in a discussion about him that the good news is the Gospel--Jesus offering grace--not just repentance.

He has a dred locked beard that he refused to comment about (not sure how that would have any significance and why he would feel the reason for it requires secrecy).

He had a prophecy about an earthquake and a tsunami in Australia--which I guess you could say maybe he had a vision of and misinterpreted--the flooding was just described as a land tsunami.

Interesting man. He does seem to invite followers which is kind of a danger sign to me as you think of all the charismatic teachers that attract followers in an unhealthy way.

[Nightelf]

I remember that during the charismatic period. The falling back seemed a little strange to me at the time. I know I never fell... even when pushed a bit.

Wow. That's so telling isn't it? If they have to push you *even a tiny bit*, or tell you if you don't fall that you are resisting God, then it seems to me it's one big mind game. People fall because they are expected to..... they are shamed if they don't? Or they fall by the power of suggestion, even if that suggestion comes in the form of a little *push* to help you out.

[Mitsy]

Wow. That's so telling isn't it? If they have to push you *even a tiny bit*, or tell you if you don't fall that you are resisting God, then it seems to me it's one big mind game. People fall because they are expected to..... they are shamed if they don't? Or they fall by the power of suggestion, even if that suggestion comes in the form of a little *push* to help you out.

I've been chronically ILL for 20 years now. My Charasimatic friends years ago against my better judgement convinced me to go to healing meetings which had visiting prophets and healers like this come to Australia. I resisted going up to get prayed over and finally was challenged by my friends that I will never know if I could get healed unless I go up on stage. Well I was pushed and not lightly. Because I resisted going over I was pushed heavily but fortunately my hubby was behind me and caught me before I went down. My hubby almost punched the guy out. Lucky for him I intervened and told everyone there I was pushed but they didn't believe me. I was shocked I had been pushed down so hard after I didn't go over the first time.

I have since that experience met others who have had the same thing happen to them. We went in the hope of coming across someone who was genuine. I was trying to be very open minded back then because I really wanted to be healed. That sealed my suspicions of there being a lot of those who faked it.

I can't speak for those who fall over in these meetings. However, I agree with you that some of those people most likely are complicant in falling down.

[araj54]

I had never heard of this guy but I found a website that has extensive info on him. The positives I found were: 1. Main focus on repentance/ salvation. 2. Doesn't take up collections. 3. Believes and preaches on the imminent rapture / marriage supper,etc. 4. Goes to many countries, India, Thailand, Chile, Kenya and many others. 5. Preaches against the prosperity gospel.
I was interested mainly because I worked with a young man from Ethiopia for several months who absolutely loved the Lord. With his limited english he told me about the move of God in several areas of Africa that he had been. He said the people were hungry for the gospel and he had witnessed many miracle healings in local churches.
Ironically, he also mentioned that some of the preachers that came from the US and Europe seemed to be alot about money.,Imagine that!
I pray that God continues to use this man to reach souls that otherwise may not ever have a chance to hear the gospel. I'm quite sure the RCC isn't impressed with him.

[booklover]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8033376.stm

I was trying to find out the significance of the baptism of Odinga by Owuar.

He is apparently a cousin of Obama, and there was a lot of discussion of their meeting in 2008. After the elections, Odinga formed a coalition government, but there was a lot of bloodshed, and he was condemned for what his followers did. Christians died in this political unrest. He is described as a Muslim in 2008. His conversion apparently took place at a prayer meeting in the Great Rift Valley--I think this was in 2009. There are videos of his baptism.

Other searches show him being vilified for calling for punishment for homosexuals---this seems to have surfaced recently.

Odinga is also in the news now as being a mediator for a conflict in another African country--can't remember which one.

Does anybody know anything about Kenya and President Odinga?

Africa news has a lot of stories of miracles, and conversions to Christianity, but there have been a lot of prosperity teachers there--and apparently there is a lot of syncretism. I am reminded that some of the Toronto Blessing type behavior seems to have originated from Africa with Rodney Howard Browne.

[heart_changed99]

I've been reading around about this man after seeing his name mentioned here. Is it really possible for even a false prophet to be right on certain things? Need some help, here.

[Nightelf]

I've been reading around about this man after seeing his name mentioned here. Is it really possible for even a false prophet to be right on certain things? Need some help, here.

Sure. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

But the Bible has some pretty stern things to say about false prophets, and it sets very high standards.... a true prophet has to be right 100% of the time, or it's obvious that God is not speaking through them.