How is that redundant?Originally Posted by Keifer
How is that redundant?
1: John 3. You must be born again to see the Kingdom.
2: 1Cor.7:14 The sanctified husband/wife needs to come to faith and repentance as well to be saved. And children of 2 unbelieving parents are "unclean". Question: what does this "sanctified" and this "clean/unclean" mean?
Don't take me wrong, I also hope that all children will be saved but we mustn't add to or take away from the Word. For me it still isn't completely clear but I do know that because of Adam and Eve's choice man became separated from God and only through faith and repentance > born again < , through Jesus the relation with God can be restored. This is what the Bible says isn't it? And if someone, for as long as he/she is a child, will/would be saved anyway, then why is 1Cor.7:14 (and John 3) in the Bible?
This is a serious question from me, please answer in an honest way. Thank you all.
I really dont know what more I can add, the three scriptures above say it. Let The Holy Spirit help you see the truth. Go to God, ask Him, seek His wisdom in this issue, Let The Holy Spirit led you to the truth. As for me I have been convicted in knowing that My God is not a cruel God and to suggest this babies/children are not saved would be cruel. One must know the charcter of God, and you will see God is a Just God. He is about Justice. So, all I can say is seek God and let Him answer this for you.ing
Matthew 18
1"At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."
God holds people accountable for their KNOWLEDGE. Little children, too young to reason, would not be held accountable for a knowledge they do not/cannot possess. If Jesus took the time to make such a beautiful public statement such as this, I just cannot fathom from the deepest part of my heart and soul, His sending little precious ones to Hell- it is incomprehensible for a just, loving Heavenly Father to condemn little children for what they cannot be held responsible for.
Matthew 18
1"At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."
God holds people accountable for their KNOWLEDGE. Little children, too young to reason, would not be held accountable for a knowledge they do not/cannot possess. If Jesus took the time to make such a beautiful public statement such as this, I just cannot fathom from the deepest part of my heart and soul, His sending little precious ones to Hell- it is incomprehensible for a just, loving Heavenly Father to condemn little children for what they cannot be held responsible for
when you find the verse that says all children below the age of ____ will be raptured, let me know. Otherwise, everything else is speculation. And by stating that truth, it's not saying the children will be left behind, it's not saying they will go. Death and the rapture are two different things, many children have died in God's judgements but as to their eternal state, that too is speculation. Why is it so wrong to state the fact that the Bible is silent on this issue?? Remember scripture also says "your ways are not my ways"...I have no problem leaving this decision up to God who will make the perfect choice regarding each and every one. It is wrong however to blatently state that it is one way or the other, because it doesn't say and that's the simple truth!
Another option to consider:
Perhaps the truth of the matter IS in the Scripture, and we all need to dig a little deeper for the answer?
Jeremiah 1:5 5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
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Matthew 18:3 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Matthew 18:4 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
I loked up Jeremiah 5:5 (as listed in your post) to show the meaning of sanctified is not the same as salvation and discovered your verse is not Jeremiah 5:5..........
That's speaking about being as humble as a child, the extent of humbleness...not that children will be raptured.....
oopss so sorry put wrong Jeremiah
Its Jeremiah 1:5
Dramama, I am not trying to fight with you or anyone else here just state scripture, of children, seems to me that you are being a lil bit arguementive. Sorry.....
The ONLY picture of Hades we have is the one Jesus gave us in Luke 16, where we see only an ADULT suffering "torments". Nowhere in ALL of Scripture do we see any little child being consigned to Hell. THAT speaks volumes to me. Maybe it depends on our personal view of God, but my view comes from personal relationship and Scripture. A little child being consigned to Hell by the God that I have come to know is an impossibility for me.
You can not say for sure that any of those scriptures are saying children will be raptured...because they don't say that. I am not argueing, if you saw my earlier post I was trying to get everyone to stop going back and forth in this thread regarding something we don't know the answer to. My point is that scripture is silent as to whether children will be raptured, children have died in judgements since the beginning....their eternal state is another thing altogether.....why will God let children be born during the tribulation, wouldn't that be equally cruel? God is omnipotent and omnipresent...I know God by what He has written in scripture....do I know everything about God? No. God is not just love, he is righteous and just and His ways are NOT our ways. All I have been saying the whole time is that it's in God's hands so why tell people an answer that is unknown to us. I take the whole counsel of scripture and the fact is, we don't know. God has done some pretty mind boggling things that our brains can't grasp and we aren't meant to this side of heaven. I just want people to speak the truth...we don't know!! I can say all day long what I would like to believe or what I feel the Holy Spirit has led me to believe, but I DON'T KNOW.... which doesn't say God is cruel or that God is all loving. Only God knows what he will do, that plain that simple. So what's wrong with pointing out to people the truth...we don't know if all children will be raptured, like I said He allows children to either be born in the trib or perhaps to not be raptured...the only thing we know is that there are children in the trib.Dramama, I am not trying to fight with you or anyone else here just state scripture, of children, seems to me that you are being a lil bit arguementive. Sorry.....
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Correct, but this is the eternal state....not the rapture, death and the rapture are two different things.....children are in the trib, that much we know.The ONLY picture of Hades we have is the one Jesus gave us in Luke 16, where we see only an ADULT suffering "torments". Nowhere in ALL of Scripture do we see any little child being consigned to Hell. THAT speaks volumes to me. Maybe it depends on our personal view of God
I don't like these threads, I can't believe I got suckered into it again....I've said what I have to say, I'm outie!!!
Proceed.....
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Yes because of women getting pregnant after the rapture. but whatever. I am done with this thread,
What about those that were killed in the village? The one where God ordered them all to be killed from infant to elderly. Where are those infants to the age of accountability?
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