November 30th, 2007, 10:13 PM
I believe they are in Heaven. What do you believe?
Originally Posted by CelticMist
November 30th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Not sure! That's why I asked the question.
Originally Posted by A Berean
I know the village was full of pure evil... the children were killed so they would not grow up to be like the generations before them. But, couldn't they have been spared? Why were those that were not at the age of accountability killed? Infants, toddlers ... even some to the age of like six or seven.... you know what I mean. Why did they all have to be killed?
November 30th, 2007, 10:20 PM
I think even children of non believers will be taken in the rapture.
November 30th, 2007, 10:22 PM
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November 30th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Still no one has given me an answer to my post (nr.80).
And having read on, there came the story to my mind about Elisha and the children of Bethel 2 Kings 2:23-24.They scoffed him, he cursed them and then 2 female bears killed 42 of them!
December 9th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Our God is not a cruel God.
He will reward His children, and for the rest, will, vengeance will be His. There is a verse in the old testament that says (more or less) that during judgment He will mock those who have mocked His children. I think what we may divine as cruelty may be righteousness beyond our ability to comprehend.
There are folks out there that say that it would be cruel to send anyone to hell and therefore He will send nobody to hell. Go figure, many believe that yet you could probably read from any page of the bible and that idea would be contradicted by the Word on whichever page you read.
This has been an interesting thread. If the children of believers are sanctified, even those who are married to an unbeliever, then we might conclude that the children of unbelievers are not sanctified, which might mean that they'll end up in a hard place if they pass away at a young age.
I agree with Dramama that this may be one of the many areas that could be called mysterious to us, and we'll just have to wait and see.
And what is the difference between a kid with a mean streak and an adult who was abused in every which way as a child and knew nothing but wickedness, and as an adult, is nothing but wicked... there is a difference of a few years. I wonder about those who fill our prisons who are neurologically disordered in a way that partially explains the trouble they get into. Are they fully responsible for their crimes before God? I suspect so, just like everyone else. I think about this sort of thing some times, and I also include the thought, "there but for the grace of God go I". In the end I suspect that those who spend eternity in God's presence will be only those whose sins have been washed away by the blood of the lamb, who in faith, follow that narrow path that leads towards righteousness and perfection in Jesus, and hopefully their children who are not mature enough to choose Jesus and/or good over evil.
Praise the Lord from whom all good things come.
December 9th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Good time to be a Panamilenist
Just know that with a just God, everything will pan out in the end.
December 9th, 2007, 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Jack
I have to say I just trust in the Love & Mercy of the Lord. I know the character of our God and he is a just judge. I may not know how God applies judgement/salvation to children, babies or unborn babies who are not able understand the gospel message and respond. I do know the God's Son died for all and I'm sure that includes children. How? Don't know but God does!
One thing I would like to point out is that we all die. Death doesn't signify that you are not saved, it is merely a product of the Fall in the Garden of Eden when mankind was cursed with death.
I'm sure God weeps over all the little children that through various circumstances in this world have been killed or died without reaching maturity.
December 10th, 2007, 02:54 PM
One possible reason is the gene pool problem... http://rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=298577&postcount=170
Originally Posted by CelticMist
December 10th, 2007, 03:24 PM
I realize that the "doctrine of election" is disturbing to many people, but it would explain the answer to the OP.
He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy....
Hey, I don't like it either (in my fleshly mind), but its in the scripture. Read Romans 8 & 9. DLee
December 10th, 2007, 03:43 PM
I have long believed that children who have not reached the "age of accountability" would be raptured because they were not old enough to make the decision to follow Christ. However, after having read everyone's posts I can say I am no longer certain. I would still like to believe they would be raptured (maybe due to my maternal and christan mind-set), but I can't be 100% positive. I'm sure that what ever God has in mind for those little children, it will be JUST because He is a JUST God.
Lastly, this uncertainty just gives me one more reason to proclaim the GOOD NEWS. God bless you all and may God bless those little ones.
December 10th, 2007, 04:18 PM
We all have our viewpoints, but scripture is silent on this matter. Personally, I do not believe all children will be taken in the rapture or disappear from mother's wombs, but the admonition not to say either way "explicitely" is a good one; we do not want to be adding to God's Word and we need to be careful not to be dogmatic on the issue.
Butterfly...you say God is a just God so why would he not rapture all children....but then you say children are born in the Trib. So...why would a just God allow children to be born in such a horrible time? I don't want to argue this point, but I ask that you please do not accuse others here of believing God is cruel if they do not agree with your viewpoint, that is a severe judgment to make of other brothers and sisters in Christ.
God is a just God and He knows ALL things-we just need to trust Him and spread the Gospel while there is still time.
December 10th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by KarenB
In the story of Elisha the Hebrew word used doesn't indicate children, but young people. I do not know Hebrew, but this is the explanation that I have read time and time again.
December 10th, 2007, 04:32 PM
BiblenuggetLady, the op is about unsaved babies and children. I believe what I said because of scripture I have posted and others post. I do believe children will raptured and I believe children will be born during the trib. I do not believe these children go to hell, cuz the OP is stating they won't go to Heaven. I can not not phantom God creating a baby unable to decide for them selves and sending that child to hell. I DO NOT believe God would be cruel in doing that, I believe Him to be a just God and if the OP was right, then how is that Just to send a baby to hell. I know children die, for a reason, but I don't believe God sends babies to hell. God hates abortion, can't see it. Like I said I agree to disagree and we will see, I hope for ALL the babies and children, they go to Heaven. The only reason I replied to your post cuz your a mod. I said early I was done with this thread. Sorry, I can not help feel the way I do, as others have their feelings on this, too. It's not about being right.
Originally Posted by Jack
December 10th, 2007, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by KarenB
Because in 1 Corinthians 7: 14 Paul isn't talking about the children being saved because their parents are saved.
1 Corinthians 7:
12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
If you are a Christian and your husband is not, he is not saved by your being a Christian. This is attested to by many scriptures in the Bible stating that only faith in Jesus will bring salvation. Conversely your husband being unsaved has no bearing on your being saved.
Now it stands to reason that believing parents do not necessarily produce believing children, conversely unbelieving parents do not necessarily produce unbelieving children. However believing parents are able to produce an environment that is conducive to having believing children.
Now ask yourself this: Where do we get the idea that children who die before "the age of accountability" do not go to hell even though they were born in sin?
We know that God is just, and we know that sin is willfully doing something that is against God'swill. So if a child is unable to know God's will, and unable to willfully do right or wrong, then why would that child be punished for sin?
God is not some cosmic sadist, He is love, and He does not punish the innocent.
December 10th, 2007, 05:32 PM
The Learner, thank you for your answers, it clears some things a little bit up and I have more food for thought.
December 11th, 2007, 10:15 AM
Quote by Emily Ruth
These scriptures show that sin is an attitude of the heart - not a specific deed. Sin is rebellion against God - rebellion against what one knows is right and yet does what is self centered instead of God centered. Eve knew what was right and chose to do what she wanted to do rather than what she knew was right.
I would like to know anyone elses' thoughts on these scriptures.
John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains
James 4: 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
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