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    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praying View Post
    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Thank you all so much!
    Praying to go home soon!
    People who believe this (if, by that, they mean "the rapture") usually base this belief on Matthew 24:14 -

    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming (when the Millennial Kingdom comes), i.e. "the end of the age," (not our rapture) per context.

    So the rapture can (and IMO, will) occur before this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acceptedinthebeloved View Post
    People who believe this (if, by that, they mean "the rapture") usually base this belief on Matthew 24:14 -



    It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming (when the Millennial Kingdom comes), i.e. "the end of the age," (not our rapture) per context.

    So the rapture can (and IMO, will) occur before this.
    Thank you so very much for the clarification. I appreciate this more than you could possibly know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Praying View Post
    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Thank you all so much!
    Praying to go home soon!
    Matthew 24:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by acceptedinthebeloved View Post
    It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming when the Millennial Kingdom comes (not our rapture), per context. So the rapture can occur before this.
    This is my understanding as well.

    I also wanted to add that Wycliffe has announced they are within 15 years (14 now, I think . . . by 2025) of translating the Bible into every language in existence. While they are translating, we know they have people in there working side-by-side with the people who speak those languages so that they can learn those languages well enough to formulate a written language (if needed), teach them how to read it (if needed), and translate Scripture into that language. Here's a link to Wycliffe's web page regarding this project: http://www.lastlanguagescampaign.org/LLC.aspx.

    And, I have personally heard from the Gideons (DH is a military chaplain, and we attend a "Pastor's Appreciation Dinner" given by the Gideons each year . . . this year's just took place last month) that God is moving in amazing ways right now to reach people who have not even been "evangelized" or reached by missionaries. One story the key note speaker told that night was about an island in the Philippines. A Gideon couple decided they wanted to be missionaries to that island, since no one had gone to it before. But when they got there, they discovered that everyone on the island (comprised of one tiny village) was saved. Apparently, during WWII, a Gideon New Testament originally issued to a US military service member had washed up on shore along with some other things in an abandoned lifeboat. One person on the whole island spoke English, and translated it for his fellow villagers. Through that one New Testament, the entire village was saved. God does not need us to ensure that everyone hears about Christ. He prefers to work through us, but he isn't going to let our unwillingness, limitations, or shortcomings stop him. If we are unable to reach a certain isolated people group, or don't know someone hasn't heard, God will make a way to get the good news of Christ to them with or without our help. God will ensure that everyone on earth has had the opportunity to reject or accept Christ before he must judge the earth's inhabitants. He knows better than we do who has heard and who hasn't, who has accepted and who has rejected. It is not up to us to make those decisions. Our responsibility is to make sure that those God puts us in contact with have heard about Christ. God will worry about the rest.
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    Isn't that a fascinating story? God sent them His word and they believed. I believe anyone who is truly seeking God will find Him, no matter where they are.

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    Jack Kelley agrees this also:

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    Although this must happen before the 2nd Coming, it won’t happen before the Rapture of the Church,
    more at link..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelAnne View Post
    This is my understanding as well.

    I also wanted to add that Wycliffe has announced they are within 15 years (14 now, I think . . . by 2025) of translating the Bible into every language in existence. While they are translating, we know they have people in there working side-by-side with the people who speak those languages so that they can learn those languages well enough to formulate a written language (if needed), teach them how to read it (if needed), and translate Scripture into that language. Here's a link to Wycliffe's web page regarding this project: http://www.lastlanguagescampaign.org/LLC.aspx.

    And, I have personally heard from the Gideons (DH is a military chaplain, and we attend a "Pastor's Appreciation Dinner" given by the Gideons each year . . . this year's just took place last month) that God is moving in amazing ways right now to reach people who have not even been "evangelized" or reached by missionaries. One story the key note speaker told that night was about an island in the Philippines. A Gideon couple decided they wanted to be missionaries to that island, since no one had gone to it before. But when they got there, they discovered that everyone on the island (comprised of one tiny village) was saved. Apparently, during WWII, a Gideon New Testament originally issued to a US military service member had washed up on shore along with some other things in an abandoned lifeboat. One person on the whole island spoke English, and translated it for his fellow villagers. Through that one New Testament, the entire village was saved. God does not need us to ensure that everyone hears about Christ. He prefers to work through us, but he isn't going to let our unwillingness, limitations, or shortcomings stop him. If we are unable to reach a certain isolated people group, or don't know someone hasn't heard, God will make a way to get the good news of Christ to them with or without our help. God will ensure that everyone on earth has had the opportunity to reject or accept Christ before he must judge the earth's inhabitants. He knows better than we do who has heard and who hasn't, who has accepted and who has rejected. It is not up to us to make those decisions. Our responsibility is to make sure that those God puts us in contact with have heard about Christ. God will worry about the rest.
    What an Awesome story!

    The Gospel's to be spread throughout the entire earth.

    All those who seek will find, all those who knock the door will be opened, ...

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    G-d is so awesome. Joel Rosenberg incorporated a true story about a man in Turkey waiting alongside the road for a delivery of Bibles in one of his fictional stories. I think it was the Ezekiel Option, clearly, our Lord works in miraculous wondrous ways. I personally think that once the sealed 144,000 Rev 7:1 begin their ministry their lives will be even stranger than fiction. And I can't even imagine how bizarre and amazing it will be to see an angel deliver the gospel Rev 14:6. OP your mother need not fear, G-d will give everyone the chance. The sad thing is notwithstanding who will deliver the message some will still reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintlunatic View Post
    this is a tribulation verse it has nothing to do with the rapture...
    Which verse?
    I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Praying View Post
    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Thank you all so much!
    Praying to go home soon!
    This is something that televangelists say to get more money for missions ministries... Yes, it says something like this in Matthew 24 and also in Matthew 28 but its not the job of the church to tell it to everyone so that the 2nd coming or rapture could occur. The rapture could happen at ANYTIME, there is nothing in prophecy that needs to occur for the rapture to happen.

    What the actual truth is about this subject is that it is ultimately the job of the ANGELS to tell everyone about the everlasting Gospel.

    Read in Revelation 14 -
    Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” - Revelation 14:6-7

    So, that is the concise and final answer, everyone at ONE TIME WILL HEAR the everlasting Gospel.
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    I recently was in Brazil, and I spoke with a pastor there. He had just returned from southeast Asia, and he told me that in places that have no contact with missionaries, people are having dreams of Jesus. They in turn leave Islam, and are heavily persecuted for evangelizing their village. So God is moving even in places where no one has brought the Gospel.

    "I looked, but there was no one to help, and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me; And My own fury, it sustained Me." Isaiah 63:5

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    Quote Originally Posted by As_Caleb_Says! View Post
    I recently was in Brazil, and I spoke with a pastor there. He had just returned from southeast Asia, and he told me that in places that have no contact with missionaries, people are having dreams of Jesus. They in turn leave Islam, and are heavily persecuted for evangelizing their village. So God is moving even in places where no one has brought the Gospel.

    "I looked, but there was no one to help, and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me; And My own fury, it sustained Me." Isaiah 63:5
    Caleb,

    That is So Cool!!

    Not the persecution... but their Salvation... WOW!!!

    Thank You Lord Jesus

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    This thread is so inspiring. Melissa and Caleb, I loved reading the stories you shared with us. I appreciate that this was explained in more detail that all will hear the gospel not necessarily before the Rapture, but during the Tribulation. I also always felt this but wasn't sure and the scripture here clears that up well. Thank you as always.

    I was wondering though as I am pondering over this and I have a question:

    God knows who WILL come to Him and who WILL NOT come to Him after hearing the gospel during the Tribulation. My theory has always been that I thought maybe that if the Rapture happened before many didn't hear the message, that they possibly would be raptured along with the mentally challenged or the children under the age of the accountability. I thought that maybe the "all nations shall hear" might refer to in this day and age in general because it is NOW POSSIBLE to happen due to the internet, satellite, missionaries going to far off lands and even the fact that they can get there because air travel is now possible.

    But, my question is: Do you think that God will spare the lives of His own during the Tribulation, those that He knows will choose Him when they DO hear the message, since He already knows who will reject and accept Him? Will God let them die (or be killed during the Trib) without ever hearing the gospel? What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

    Does anyone know any scripture that answers this question or opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugsFromJesus View Post
    This thread is so inspiring. Melissa and Caleb, I loved reading the stories you shared with us. I appreciate that this was explained in more detail that all will hear the gospel not necessarily before the Rapture, but during the Tribulation. I also always felt this but wasn't sure and the scripture here clears that up well. Thank you as always.

    I was wondering though as I am pondering over this and I have a question:

    God knows who WILL come to Him and who WILL NOT come to Him after hearing the gospel during the Tribulation. My theory has always been that I thought maybe that if the Rapture happened before many didn't hear the message, that they possibly would be raptured along with the mentally challenged or the children under the age of the accountability. I thought that maybe the "all nations shall hear" might refer to in this day and age in general because it is NOW POSSIBLE to happen due to the internet, satellite, missionaries going to far off lands and even the fact that they can get there because air travel is now possible.

    But, my question is: Do you think that God will spare the lives of His own during the Tribulation, those that He knows will choose Him when they DO hear the message, since He already knows who will reject and accept Him? Will God let them die (or be killed during the Trib) without ever hearing the gospel? What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

    Does anyone know any scripture that answers this question or opinions?
    HugsfromJesus I understand your concern and I share your heavy heart knowing many will die during the trib. Those who die having chosen Christ as their Saviour are known as the Trib saints, they will not all be protected through this horrific time, you can read about them in Rev 6:9 Also remember this, not a single death ever surprises G-d. No one that dies without Jesus in their heart would have ever chosen Him. The scripture is very clear. There are several passages indicating this ie, Jhn 6:64 I posted many here once before I'll try to find the original post.

    Found it here are some additional quotes from scriptures
    Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Therefore, none who are called can ever be lost, no one can die before they accept Christ and each will come at the appointed time. There can and never will be one more or one less person than the number ordained by G-d notwithstanding how long we are here. See

    Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    Also confirmed in

    Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
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    I just finished Joel Rosenberg's Last Jihad series and Epicenter, which is non-fiction and the "story behind the story" of the Last Jihad series where he shares that story of the dreams and visions of Jesus coming into a remote village in the mountains of Iran and the Bibles was a true story with names changed.

    It blew me away. I have told I don't know how many people in the last couple of weeks.

    I just answered this same posted question recently as well. Many are asking this question right now. What a blessing to know the answer and to point believers to the imminent return of Jesus for His Bride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1angel4u View Post
    What an Awesome story!

    The Gospel's to be spread throughout the entire earth.

    All those who seek will find, all those who knock the door will be opened, ...
    Saturation is the key concept

    Now that we're reduced to one shrunken global village, every nation and tongue already has access to the gospel - Mission Accomplished!




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    Quote Originally Posted by HugsFromJesus View Post
    What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

    Romans 1:18-28; Matthew 7:7

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    It's also true that many have died all over the world before now that did not hear the gospel preached to them in a conventional sense. That is why creation proclaims His glory and some people in other countries have received dreams about Jesus IMO.

    I think that it seems correct that the gospel will be preached throughout the Tribulation by the 144,000 and two witnesses and angels and then the 2nd Coming will take place. I assume this means that the gospel being preached to the whole world is not a requirement for the Rapture.

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    There was one other story that the Gideons told at that dinner that just absolutely floored me. I may as well share that one too! They were handing out Bibles at a school in India, which is what they do . . . hand out Bibles. They were wrapping up their visit after handing out almost all of their Bibles, but still had one last classroom to visit. The teacher eagerly invited them in, asking them to pass out Bibles to her students as well . . . but they had only four left. They went in anyway, deciding that they would give what they had. As they started passing out Bibles, they just kept coming! They'd reach in the box, and pull one more out . . . and this kept up until every single student in that class had a Bible (well more than four . . . I can't remember the exact number, but I think it was around 30). When every student had a Bible, the teacher asked them for one more Bible . . . one for a little girl who wasn't there that day because she was sick. The missionary was pretty sure he didn't have any left, but he reached into the box, and pulled out one last Bible! Isn't our God amazing?!!! This was straight from one of the missionaries who was there handing out Bibles!!! God is working miracles today . . . he will stop at NOTHING to make sure that the good news of Christ gets out there to everyone who has yet to hear!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by HugsFromJesus View Post
    I was wondering though as I am pondering over this and I have a question:

    God knows who WILL come to Him and who WILL NOT come to Him after hearing the gospel during the Tribulation. My theory has always been that I thought maybe that if the Rapture happened before many didn't hear the message, that they possibly would be raptured along with the mentally challenged or the children under the age of the accountability. I thought that maybe the "all nations shall hear" might refer to in this day and age in general because it is NOW POSSIBLE to happen due to the internet, satellite, missionaries going to far off lands and even the fact that they can get there because air travel is now possible.

    But, my question is: Do you think that God will spare the lives of His own during the Tribulation, those that He knows will choose Him when they DO hear the message, since He already knows who will reject and accept Him? Will God let them die (or be killed during the Trib) without ever hearing the gospel? What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

    Does anyone know any scripture that answers this question or opinions?
    Hugs, your question sent me on a search for answers, because I too have always wondered about those who have never heard. It just doesn't seem to fit with our God's character that he would condemn someone who never knew he was doing wrong or that there was another option. I did find one article that I thought was so excellent, I want to share it with you. Hopefully it will answer your questions as well.

    What About Those Who Have Never Heard?

    This is not to say it's not a legitimate question (it is), but the motivation is not always a sincere desire to get an answer.

    by Robert Velarde

    Romans 10:17 reads, "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ" (NIV). But what about those who have never heard? This is probably one of the most common questions or objections to Christianity. It's also sometimes phrased as, "What about the heathen?" In other words, is it fair for God to condemn people who never had an opportunity to hear the message of Christ?

    There are many ways to approach this question. This article will focus on the motivations of the person asking the question, reasonable answers to it, and a look at what the Bible has to say on the matter.

    What Motivates the Question?

    Often the question is asked as a diversion. It immediately takes away the focus on the person asking the question and shifts a problem back to the Christian. This is not to say it's not a legitimate question (it is), but the motivation is not always a sincere desire to get an answer. Of course, ignoring the question is not helpful, either, as this gives the impression that the Christian doesn't care or doesn't have a good answer.

    Sometimes it's a legitimate question driven by real concern over the nature of God. If He's really all loving, then the fact that He appears to condemn those who have never heard the gospel comes across as harsh, unmerciful and unjust. The important thing to remember is that after answering the question make sure to bring the discussion back to a personal response to Christ.

    A point related to the motivation for the question has to do with truth. Does the question, however it is answered, change whether or not Christianity is true? It doesn't. If God exists and has revealed Himself to us, and if Christ is the only way to God, then the question may puzzle us, but it won't change the truth of the Christian message.

    God's Nature, Revelation, and Our Response

    The answer to the question relates to God's nature, His revelation and our response. Biblically speaking, God is holy, just, unchanging and all-loving. This means that God will always do what is right.

    When it comes to God's revelation, theologians divide these into God's special and general revelation. His special revelation includes the Bible and Christ. These are both direct and special means of God revealing Himself to us. General revelation, sometimes called natural revelation, consists of what God has revealed of Himself via the natural world and moral conscience.

    Two passages in Romans further explain general revelation: "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse" (Romans 1:20) and "the requirements of the law are written on their hearts" (Romans 2:15). Taken together these passages claim that everyone has an inherent knowledge of God, that this can be clearly known from creation and that everyone also has a God-given moral compass.

    Is it true, then, that "those who have never heard," really have no idea of God's existence or of their moral responsibilities? Biblically speaking, it's not true. "Those who have never heard" have heard something and they do have access to key information about God. They know that God exists, that there is a moral standard and that they have broken this standard.

    The Case of Cornelius

    Second Peter 3:9 reads, "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." God desires that everyone come to Him via Christ, but not all will. We, however, do not have access to a list of who will respond to God and who will not. As such, biblical Christianity places a great deal of emphasis on missionary efforts.

    Romans 10:13-15 underscores the significance of Christian evangelism when it comes to reaching those who have never heard: "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    In other words, Christians are actively spreading the message of Jesus so that "those who have never heard" will indeed get an opportunity to hear. Various missionary stories support the fact that often times those who have never heard who have responded to God's general revelation are later visited by Christian missionaries.

    The Bible, for instance, records just such a story about a man named Cornelius. This man knew about God, but not about Christ. Because of his sincere desire to know God, Cornelius came in direct contact with the Apostle Peter who told Cornelius about Jesus (see Acts 10 for the entire story).

    Faulty Assumptions

    In their book Faith Comes by Hearing, Christopher Morgan and Robert Peterson write, "How could it be fair and just for those who have never even had a chance to hear the gospel, which is necessary for salvation, to be condemned to hell? The question sounds powerful, but behind it lie faulty assumptions." 1

    What are these "faulty assumptions"? "The first mistaken assumption," continue Morgan and Peterson, "is that our condemnation is based on a rejection of the gospel. Scripture teaches that our condemnation is based on the fact that we are sinners, not because at some point in time we rejected the gospel … Furthermore, God's wrath is revealed against everyone who suppresses his truth revealed through creation … Strictly speaking, the Bible denies that there are persons who have never heard of God." 2

    Morgan and Peterson go on to explain another faulty assumption, this one having to do with "a confusion of justice and mercy." 3 God is merciful in that He has provided a way of salvation via Christ for those who will accept Him. But God is also just in that unrepentance will not go unnoticed.

    God's Way is Wide Enough

    We know that God will deal fairly with those who have not received a direct presentation of the gospel, just as He will deal fairly with those who have. But is God's way too narrow? Far from it. God's way is wide enough for everyone willing to accept it and receive Christ. The most important question any of us can answer is the one Jesus asked his own disciples, "But what about you? Who do you say I am?" (Matthew 16:15; Mark 8:29; Luke 9:20).
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