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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Darner View Post
    Sometimes when children are young they balk at things unfamiliar to them. It can be hard for them to grasp things for example as a detailed list of pros and cons because they are ideas on paper and not concrete experiences. Children live in the moment and sometimes no amout of explaining will help until they experience them.

    I would suggest using this summer in connecting with a local home school support group and meeting other homeschool families so that perhaps your son can develop some new friendships and you can receive encouragement as well. (Libraries are a good place to start looking )

    Also, since he has been in public school, spend some time "deschooling" this fall. That's just a fancy term for spending lots of time doing fun things together as a family and figuring out the routine and rhytyms of being together 24/7. Then once you have that going well...gently ease into homeschooling a few subjects at a time.

    My son was also in public school until he was 9yo and these were some of the things things that we did to help him transition to our new lifestyle of homeschooling. He was unsure at first but now he's 14 and you couldn't pay him to go back LOL!
    Great insights and advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stauros View Post
    If it is "their education" and they should "own" it, then why take them out of public school in the first place? Why not let them choose where they want to learn? Your post seems to contradict itself.
    The public school would probably frown on the kids organizing their schedules, choosing their course of study and books, and creating their own lesson plans. They are also working above grade level. I doubt my 12 year old would appreciate having to repeat Algebra.

    We have asked our kids if they'd like to try PS or a Christian school, and they look horrified at the thought, so while they don't exactly have a choice, if they did choose, they'd choose HSing.

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    We would never allow our children to say "no way" to us. They do not have the capacity, at that age especially, to make those kinds of life changing decisions. We might discuss the pros and cons and hear their ideas about what they are interested in pursuing or their interests in certain things like sports or drama or 4H...but WE make the decisions for the family. Dad has the ultimate say. We have told them that we are the parents and that their welfare is our responsibility until they are responsibly mature adults. They don't have to like, agree, or even understand the decisions we make. As long as it is not immoral, illegal, or ungodly, we have the burden. It makes things a lot easier when everyone knows who is in charge. Open defiance is punishable. We all must answer to a higher authority whether it be a spouse, a boss, the law, or God...It is best they learn that young.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
    We would never allow our children to say "no way" to us. They do not have the capacity, at that age especially, to make those kinds of life changing decisions. We might discuss the pros and cons and hear their ideas about what they are interested in pursuing or their interests in certain things like sports or drama or 4H...but WE make the decisions for the family. Dad has the ultimate say. We have told them that we are the parents and that their welfare is our responsibility until they are responsibly mature adults. They don't have to like, agree, or even understand the decisions we make. As long as it is not immoral, illegal, or ungodly, we have the burden. It makes things a lot easier when everyone knows who is in charge. Open defiance is punishable. We all must answer to a higher authority whether it be a spouse, a boss, the law, or God...It is best they learn that young.
    my .02...
    I understand what you're saying, and he does know it's ultimately our decision. It's more "I would choose to go to school" rather than "I refuse to stay home and you can't make me"... if you know what I mean.

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    My oldest daughter, 21 now, resisted homeschooling as a teen when we'd been homeschooling her since 2nd grade. Socializing was her reason. I never intended to keep her from socializing, I just preferred she learn when it was time to learn and socialize when it was time to socialize. I'd realized early on since I felt led by God to home school and was also a bit of a recluse, that I was just going to have to come out of my shell so she'd be able to socialize with other children and it was a great thing for me that I did so. I also became more open to having lots of children over to play and met other parents and that turned out to be a great thing too. That worked for quite awhile, until we moved. There were no children at all after that, as we lived in the woods, there were no homeschool groups in the area at all, even if willing to drive far, and our church was such a blessing to us but mostly elderly who brought the grandchildren, or great grandchildren, so much younger than herself. My other children are closer in age and have always kept one another company in times of friendship drought, and I understood her pain but felt so strongly that putting her back into a school I knew God didn't want her in for socialization when she should be learning where she would receive substandard education learning who knows what just seemed insane. I tried to explain this to her in so many different ways and asked her if we couldn't brainstorm some ways she might interact with others her age instead, until finally just saying no, because she was being unreasonable and stubborn. She wasn't very happy with me at all...in fact I think this was probably the only time in her life that she's ever been angry with me. It broke my heart, I really wanted her to be happy but I know it always turns out better than good when I follow God's will. 2 years after that she entered community college early, at 16, made a few new friends, mostly older, and heard all their high school horror stories (probably when she was griping about having been homeschooled to them ). She came to me after that and told me about how vain, materialistic, backstabbing and even mean some of the younger, high-school aged students that were also attending were- none of their focus on education at all and after comparing notes with other friends she'd made, came to the conclusion that homeschooling was the very best thing I could have done for her and she thanked me. Again, not a year ago she began to notice the difference in other families and called to thank me again, because we are very close and kind to one another, just very different than most she's encountering while away at college. I'm sure believer's families are very different in general, no matter their educational choices (although I imagine it's much harder to accomplish with so little time and so much outside influence), but homeschooling allowed us the time and heart to build the strong foundation and deep bonds that we have with one another.

    We were lower income because I was unable to work, I was late furthering my education (and still haven't wrapped that up) so income still isn't so great, but when I sit back and look at my children...who they are and how they treat me and one another as well as complete strangers, how they tackle learning truth with such joy, and how excited my teen sons are to just do a bible study together or go to the beach to watch the sunrise with their mom and little sister (at 15 and 16)... it was all worth it and I can only imagine how different it might have been otherwise. I wouldn't trade what we've done for anything and my daughter wouldn't either, NOW, though she certainly would have when younger. It's interesting to me that my other children, who have never been anything but homeschooled, have never had a desire to go to public school at all, and I do think this is due to always having had their education separate from socialization. (I don't think those two things go real well together anyhow and never have lol.)

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    That was a good post, Treasures.

    As far as concrete suggestions, someone already mentioned starting this summer and getting involved with homeschool groups, etc. I might take it a step further and set up a weekly schedule of away-from-home activities for the fall, so he'll know exactly what to expect each day. Something such as:

    We get our book work done in the morning, then in the afternoons,

    Monday - library day
    Tuesday - Cub scouts
    Wednesday - church activities
    Thursday - some team sport -or- play at the park
    Friday - invite a friend over
    Saturday - fun family activity with Mom and Dad (sometimes including a friend)
    Sunday - church

    Some of these things would be no cost, and if you didn't want to be involved in Scouts or a sport, you could choose something like adopting an elderly person in a nursing home or shut-in to visit on a weekly basis, or maybe find an at-home mom of toddlers that you and he could go over one day a week and play with the children to give the mom a break to go to the grocery store alone, etc. Anything to help somebody else.

    Service projects are such a great way to get our focus off ourselves and realize that maybe we don't have it so bad after all.

    Last summer my teen son was very upset with me because he wanted to see some movie with friends and I didn't think he should see it (can't remember now what the movie was... not something horrible, but I just didn't think it would be good for a Christian). He said it wasn't so much about seeing the movie, but about spending time with his friends. In the end I had him call up another friend whose parents are divorced and the mom needed help in the yard; he spent the day helping that friend do the yard work (for free of course). This turned out to be a huge blessing in so many ways... got him out of the house, gave him time with a friend, and best of all was a big help to that family.

    So if you don't have a homeschool group (or a sports team, or... whatever) readily available, don't overlook finding ways to serve, and maybe God will use that to help your son get over that 'deprived of friends' feeling.

    Homeschooling is hard, but if you feel God leading you to do it, it is so worth the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomnut View Post
    Remember, YOU ARE THE PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and while I don't know your particular situation, I've seen too many (WAY too many) parents who are afraid to put their foot down and tell their kids when all reasoning fails, "This is our decision as your parents, so get over it!"

    8YO's do not (except rarely?) have the wisdom to know what is best in the long term, so while you can, and should, certainly listen/consider to his thoughts & feelings, you are most definitely not obligated (despite what Dr. Spock & his liberal allies say) to yield to his desires.

    As I stated, I don't know your parenting skills/style but too many of today's parents let the children make the decisions that God put parents here for.

    Just be sure that you are following God's lead, however you decide.
    I agree with this post, you need to be firm in your decision making.

    I remember vividly when I was about 10 years old and my parents had decided we were moving to a place that was about an hour away from where we lived then, and at that age an hour away might as well have been overseas for all I cared. I railed against them about it for months - what about my friends, I don't want to start again at a new school, I don't know how to ride a horse (we were moving to a semi rural area and I had this irrational idea in my head that I would have to ride a horse to school, as if buses and cars didn't exist outside the city lol)

    We moved, I got over it, and looking back on it 12 years later it was the best decision my parents could have made for our family.

    Trust me if you and God want to homeschool your child then it is the right thing to do and he will get over it
    Last edited by millky; July 19th, 2011 at 07:40 AM. Reason: missed a word out

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestMama View Post
    I understand what you're saying, and he does know it's ultimately our decision. It's more "I would choose to go to school" rather than "I refuse to stay home and you can't make me"... if you know what I mean.
    That last part makes a huge difference. We all have known those that let their kids dictate to them...It never works.
    Last edited by Lucy; July 22nd, 2011 at 03:10 PM. Reason: typing without glasses lol

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    Please keep praying for us, I think we're making progress.

    Our son is starting to see some of the benefits and I'm starting to think he's more receptive to the idea. We're feeling more strongly that this is what we're supposed to do and that it's the best option for him.

    My husband and I need to do some talking about making a final decision... but I'm starting to think we might actually all get on the same page about this yet!

    Thanks for all the prayer and encouragement... again, would appreciate continued prayer and I will keep you posted...

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    Just to sweeten the pot, have you looked into any of the local offerings in your area and shown them to your family?
    We have been able to do so much and enjoy so many activities that we never would have enjoyed or even known about, had we not decided to hs. My boys have done competitive shooting (with 4h-which BTW isn't just hsers), Karate, golf, tennis, basketball...all kinds of things a young guy would enjoy. I have girls too but the boys need other guys to do stuff with that seems 'Manly' and 'sporty'. I can imagine he thinks he will be stuck in the house reading Little House on The Prairie books (not that anything is wrong with that-lol).

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    I think this thread has given some great advice.

    1. Check with your state for laws about homeschooling
    2. Reassure your child that he will still get to spend a lot of time with his friends and that you will arrange play dates, etc.
    3. If he wants to play sports, look at a local sports league. These are great
    4. You remind him as a homeschooled child, he will get to speed through the things he is naturally good at, and only have to spend more time on the things he struggles with.
    (I was always good in math, but was bored to tears until I got to calculus, but was always slow with grammer.. but in public school, you spend same amount of time on each, and you can't go faster for the things that are easier for you).
    5. Reassure him, reassure him, reassure him.. Remind him, that homeschool, private school, or public school, he is loved just the same and that you only want what is best for him in the long run.

    My wife and I greatly regret that we did not homeschool (all my kids are step kids and were already used to public school when we married).

    Most importantly. GO the way you feel the Lord is leading. It will be tough at times, but ifyou go where the Lord leads, things workout in the end.

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