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    Lightbulb Killing in the name of God

    John 16:2-3
    ..."yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." NKJV (Emphasis mine)

    I was reading through the scriptures today and this verse immediately jumped out to me in light of Radical Islamic beliefs.

    Is this scripture speaking to "end-time events" regarding Islam (for example) or am I taking this out of content? Thx in advance!

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    Islam has been killing Christians and nonbelievers for centuries, in the name of Allah, this nothing new for Isalm.

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    SGTJP Guest

    Question Specifically...

    ...I was hoping to get a few thoughts regarding the verse I posted.

    John 16:2-3
    ..."yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." NKJV (Emphasis mine)

    Is this scripture speaking to "end-time events" regarding Islam (for example) or am I taking this out of content?

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    I'm not 100 0/0 sure but I believe that Jesus was talking about the soon to come destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in about 70 AD. Also the mass distruction of the Jews by many Roman leaders.

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    I may be mistaken, but I believe it has to do with the slaughter of Believers by the Antichrist and the Whore of Babylon during the Great Tribulation.

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    Lightbulb some diverse answers....

    ...I appreciate the comments thus far...This is a wonderful place to learn and share our thoughts and God's word!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTJP View Post
    ...I was hoping to get a few thoughts regarding the verse I posted.

    John 16:2-3
    ..."yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." NKJV (Emphasis mine)

    Is this scripture speaking to "end-time events" regarding Islam (for example) or am I taking this out of content?

    The verse says it will happen due to some not knowing the Father or Christ. It is one of those statements made about Christ, and then His followers. I don't believe it refers specifically to any group, but to the larger issue of evil hearts leading to a rejection God. This happens without repentance, so the less repentance occurs, the more evil is rampant. In that sense it could be considered an end times reference, in the broad sense, but in context, it seems more a warning to follwers of Christ to prepare for trial until Christ returns.

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    John 16
    1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.
    Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6 NIV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTJP View Post
    John 16:2-3
    ..."yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." NKJV (Emphasis mine)

    I was reading through the scriptures today and this verse immediately jumped out to me in light of Radical Islamic beliefs.

    Is this scripture speaking to "end-time events" regarding Islam (for example) or am I taking this out of content? Thx in advance!
    I don't use the NKJV I only reference the KJ...as we all should..

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    Quote Originally Posted by A BELIEVER View Post
    I don't use the NKJV I only reference the KJ...as we all should..

    Really? Mmmmm....well, I guess that is the one the apostles used........


    As for the OP, the vatican has bloody hands as well.
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    "Really? Mmmmm....well, I guess that is the one the apostles used........"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTJP View Post
    John 16:2-3
    ..."yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." NKJV (Emphasis mine)

    I was reading through the scriptures today and this verse immediately jumped out to me in light of Radical Islamic beliefs.

    Is this scripture speaking to "end-time events" regarding Islam (for example) or am I taking this out of content? Thx in advance!
    I think He was talking about circumstances throughout the Church Age.

    First, the non-believing Jews killed Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem. And they killed because they believed they were doing God a service (stoning blasphemers).
    Saul was doing this before his encounter with the Lord on the Road to Damascus.

    Later on, the RCC burned people at the stake for owning a bible. They did not want people to search the Scriptures for themselves, which would result in their questioning the authority of the Pope/local clergy.

    In England, they did the same thing to people who translated/read the Bible in English rather than Latin, a language not readily understood by the common man.

    Then of course, there was the treatment of Jews during the Diaspora. Didn't matter if they accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah or not. The gentile Christians thought they were doing a great thing for God.

    About radical Islam: I don't think this scripture refers to it because allah is not the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.

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    Originally Posted by A BELIEVER View Post
    I don't use the NKJV I only reference the KJ...as we all should..
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    I use the NKJV and the KJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prairiedog View Post
    I think He was talking about circumstances throughout the Church Age.

    First, the non-believing Jews killed Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem. And they killed because they believed they were doing God a service (stoning blasphemers).
    Saul was doing this before his encounter with the Lord on the Road to Damascus.

    Later on, the RCC burned people at the stake for owning a bible. They did not want people to search the Scriptures for themselves, which would result in their questioning the authority of the Pope/local clergy.

    In England, they did the same thing to people who translated/read the Bible in English rather than Latin, a language not readily understood by the common man.

    Then of course, there was the treatment of Jews during the Diaspora. Didn't matter if they accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah or not. The gentile Christians thought they were doing a great thing for God.

    About radical Islam: I don't think this scripture refers to it because allah is not the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.
    And it will continue in the Tribulation when those who kill Christians will also think they are doing God's service. I also don't believe it specifically refers to Islam, but believe it refers to those whom Jesus warns us about: Those who come in HIS name with lying signs & wonders, false prophets, false prophecies, etc....in other words, a false Harlot Bride of Christ who rises against the true believers in the last days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prairiedog View Post
    I think He was talking about circumstances throughout the Church Age.

    First, the non-believing Jews killed Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem. And they killed because they believed they were doing God a service (stoning blasphemers).
    Saul was doing this before his encounter with the Lord on the Road to Damascus.

    Later on, the RCC burned people at the stake for owning a bible. They did not want people to search the Scriptures for themselves, which would result in their questioning the authority of the Pope/local clergy.

    In England, they did the same thing to people who translated/read the Bible in English rather than Latin, a language not readily understood by the common man.

    Then of course, there was the treatment of Jews during the Diaspora. Didn't matter if they accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah or not. The gentile Christians thought they were doing a great thing for God.

    About radical Islam: I don't think this scripture refers to it because allah is not the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.

    Thanks!!....This shows that Islam is not the only 1, that is killing in the name of Religion

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    Smile Thx again...

    ...for taking time to express your thoughts on the verse in question! God bless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Taylorz View Post
    Thanks!!....This shows that Islam is not the only 1, that is killing in the name of Religion
    The pagan Romans killed in the name of religion, too.
    State Religion =emperor worship.

    But the scripture posted by the OP is about killing in the name of the Judeo-Christian God, and thinking it is pleasing to Him.

    So that would refer to first century Jews killing Christians, and the RCC killing Jews and "heretical" Christians who dare question the motives of the clergy or wish to read the holy scriptures for themselves in their own language.

    Many people confuse allah with Our Lord because of the Abraham connection.
    Because allah isn't the God of the Bible is why I don't think Islam is what Jesus is talking about.

    As far as the timing in question, it is always possible this will also occur in the end times.
    Much has already come to pass, as recorded in the history books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prairiedog View Post
    The pagan Romans killed in the name of religion, too.
    State Religion =emperor worship.

    But the scripture posted by the OP is about killing in the name of the Judeo-Christian God, and thinking it is pleasing to Him.

    So that would refer to first century Jews killing Christians, and the RCC killing Jews and "heretical" Christians who dare question the motives of the clergy or wish to read the holy scriptures for themselves in their own language.

    Many people confuse allah with Our Lord because of the Abraham connection.
    Because allah isn't the God of the Bible is why I don't think Islam is what Jesus is talking about.

    As far as the timing in question, it is always possible this will also occur in the end times.
    Much has already come to pass, as recorded in the history books.
    Rite..But history has informed us that atrocities have been committed in the name of Religion by religious bodies at some point during history...

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