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    This is one area where I am glad WV is 20 years behind! I cannot imagine paid $300+ an hour for an atty.!!!! Most attys. would charge a retainer fee of anywhere from from $1,000-$2,500 (or even less)for child custody modification!!! I cannot believe how expensive these attys. are in other states!!! I am a certified legal assistant (I have worked in the legal field since Feb. 1999.) and I have filed well over 150+ divorces and I have NEVER encounted (either on the Petitioner's side or the Respondent's side) a $300 an hour atty.

    I still do not understand why a judge would feel it is in the 'best interest of the child' to keep the child(ren) away from the mother. In WV, the family court system encourages as close to a 50/50 custody split as possible. If one parent is out of state, one parent will have the child during the summers and schools breaks, the other parent has the child throughout the school year. Transportation costs are either divided equally between the parents or the parent who moved away would front the cost. I would think that would be how most courts are because it would mean that they would have less issues of non-payment of child support to deal with. I know some courts garnish wages, but when Daddy works under the table (Yes, that's what my ex does.) or goes from job to job, that's nearly impossible to keep up with. What was the judge's reasoning to YOU as to why you can't see your children? I am not being mean, I promise...this is just inconceivable to me that a family court would be this way, when I know that here, a family court judge would be voted out of office very quckly if he/she behaved that way.
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    I am SINCERELY trying to understand...really, I am.
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    What I am saying would apply to a MAN, too, not just the Mommas.
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mommytoa3rdgradeboy View Post
    This is one area where I am glad WV is 20 years behind! I cannot imagine paid $300+ an hour for an atty.!!!! Most attys. would charge a retainer fee of anywhere from from $1,000-$2,500 (or even less)for child custody modification!!! I cannot believe how expensive these attys. are in other states!!! I am a certified legal assistant (I have worked in the legal field since Feb. 1999.) and I have filed well over 150+ divorces and I have NEVER encounted (either on the Petitioner's side or the Respondent's side) a $300 an hour atty.

    I still do not understand why a judge would feel it is in the 'best interest of the child' to keep the child(ren) away from the mother. In WV, the family court system encourages as close to a 50/50 custody split as possible. If one parent is out of state, one parent will have the child during the summers and schools breaks, the other parent has the child throughout the school year. Transportation costs are either divided equally between the parents or the parent who moved away would front the cost. I would think that would be how most courts are because it would mean that they would have less issues of non-payment of child support to deal with. I know some courts garnish wages, but when Daddy works under the table (Yes, that's what my ex does.) or goes from job to job, that's nearly impossible to keep up with. What was the judge's reasoning to YOU as to why you can't see your children? I am not being mean, I promise...this is just inconceivable to me that a family court would be this way, when I know that here, a family court judge would be voted out of office very quckly if he/she behaved that way.
    I start out by giving you psychological reasons, or explaining as this or that, but in essence, welcome to the real world. A world of dealing with men who are not normal or they would never conceive of withholding children from their moms at all sorts of young ages. they would never accept support money from the mother in most instances. they would never brainwash their kids against their moms. they would never use their own children as property in a way to hurt their ex-wives. These men are not normal or decent. It has everything to do w/ control and revenge and self deception.

    So you ask about these judges? do you really have to ask considering what we see that happens in court cases all the time? Family court is not immune. the underlying current still remains that "Something must be wrong w/the mom for this situation to exists" and it goes all the way to the bench. There is no respect or decency in these cases and the lies flow freely from these "not-normal men". Proving things in court is a whole other ball game.. and if you go there, then it gets expensive very fast. Most attorneys, I guess outside of WV, are anywhere from 3-500 per hour. Once you are snagged into paying all the junk I mentioned earlier, where is this money come from?

    People are NOT aware of the NCM situations out there and how very detrimental to society they are. Its another result of our wonderful "modern" society. And there is NOTHING to use to address the parental alienation that is going on! The courts dont even recognize it as such. You can't use those words..you have to use "verbal abuse", etc. Alienation is brainwashing of our children. It would NOT even be done if the person doing it wasn't threatened by the other parent. Another sign of a very sick heart and mind. But unless there are visible bruises???. no one cares.
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    Oh Cherish.. you aren't on trial. Sending lots of hugs your direction. YOu dont have to defend yourself. Even the most well meaning christian sister cannot understand what it is like to walk in our shoes unless they have walked in them as well. We are so programed after years of this junk to defend ourselves.. I had to restart my post more than once... dont feel bad... this forum is so limited since its just words written on a page with no voice inflection or personal knowledge of the real person behind the post. Pleaes keep posting in here. I know EXACTLY how you feel. Im headed back to court in January one more time.. going to represent myself thistime because I can't afford an attorney and try to get my kids some counseling.. something to look forward to.... lol.. NOT... it could come back to bite me.. but you do what you gotta do for your kids.

    And for some of you who wonder about fighting huge custody battles after the divorce but early on in the ncm situation.. I chose not to because I didnt want to tear my kids apart choosing between 2 parents.... kids should never have to choose... I was a product of divorce... so out of love, I didnt sell everything I had and go back to fight for custody.. agghh, i need to go..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine2777 View Post
    Oh Cherish.. you aren't on trial. Sending lots of hugs your direction. YOu dont have to defend yourself. Even the most well meaning christian sister cannot understand what it is like to walk in our shoes unless they have walked in them as well. We are so programed after years of this junk to defend ourselves.. I had to restart my post more than once... dont feel bad... this forum is so limited since its just words written on a page with no voice inflection or personal knowledge of the real person behind the post. Pleaes keep posting in here. I know EXACTLY how you feel. Im headed back to court in January one more time.. going to represent myself thistime because I can't afford an attorney and try to get my kids some counseling.. something to look forward to.... lol.. NOT... it could come back to bite me.. but you do what you gotta do for your kids.

    And for some of you who wonder about fighting huge custody battles after the divorce but early on in the ncm situation.. I chose not to because I didnt want to tear my kids apart choosing between 2 parents.... kids should never have to choose... I was a product of divorce... so out of love, I didnt sell everything I had and go back to fight for custody.. agghh, i need to go..
    Thank you Sunshine. Mommy, I think I owe you an apology. I asked my husband to read the posts to gauge if the tone was misread on my part and he believed it likely was. So, Mommy, please forgive me for my defensiveness, I could justify it, but there is none.

    Sunshine, I am not going to stop posting in here, I weighed the consequences before I did, knowing full well what could happen. I will keep you in my prayers as you go to court, I know how it is not to be able to swing the hefty price tag associated with courts. However, the good thing about all of this is that God's glory and mercy can be fully displayed in all involved in these situations.

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    BTW, I was never upset w/ you or any of the other Mommies on here who posted...my anger was directed towards these judges!
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mommytoa3rdgradeboy View Post
    BTW, I was never upset w/ you or any of the other Mommies on here who posted...my anger was directed towards these judges!
    Oh my goodness, you better not leave! Don't let my sour attitude drive you off. We can direct our anger toward this evil world and sin for all of this mess and heartache. I do not post on this board except for this thread, because a part of me will always love RR. I have met many wonderful people here, and grown as a result. Again, I really am sorry for my tone. I still struggle with foot in mouth, and I still have more flesh than I would like. A big to you Mommy. And stay put or I will use the duct tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mommytoa3rdgradeboy View Post
    Not a problem, but I am done on this board.

    I truly hope everything works out for all of you!

    Cherished, you were one of my fav. posters on here...FOR YEARS!
    I feel like such a jerk now. Your humility and kindness just taught me a big lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mommytoa3rdgradeboy View Post
    Not a problem, but I am done on this board.

    I truly hope everything works out for all of you!

    Cherished, you were one of my fav. posters on here...FOR YEARS!
    Mommy, I think Cherished apologized in her last longer post. You probably can see what we as ncm's struggle with, it is such a very hard place to be and it is hard for anyone that even comes into contact with it, even remotely. You shouldn't leave but we would encourage you to stay, learn, and, in your field, you never know when God will place a potential ncm in your path. You could gain huge inroads into understanding their situation and possibly have a door open for a witnessing opportunity. You never know how God will use what you might learn from this board and this particular forum. None of us mean anything personal, we have just been attacked from all sides. Its spiritual and its evil. I/we hope you wont leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine2777 View Post
    Mommy, I think Cherished apologized in her last longer post. You probably can see what we as ncm's struggle with, it is such a very hard place to be and it is hard for anyone that even comes into contact with it, even remotely. You shouldn't leave but we would encourage you to stay, learn, and, in your field, you never know when God will place a potential ncm in your path. You could gain huge inroads into understanding their situation and possibly have a door open for a witnessing opportunity. You never know how God will use what you might learn from this board and this particular forum. None of us mean anything personal, we have just been attacked from all sides. Its spiritual and its evil. I/we hope you wont leave.
    She messaged me earlier, and I already accepted her apology...

    Thanks!
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherished View Post
    I feel like such a jerk now. Your humility and kindness just taught me a big lesson.
    Don't feel that way; I am sure you had a lot of built-up frustration...
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    I hope I say this right When you aren't a NCM you don't know the reality of it all..the horror, pain, anger, feeling like you are always on the defense, ect. It is a bottomless source of pain. We have all lost our kids to exes who are controlling and manipulating and who are very good at it. We see our children being neglected in every way and alienated from us all the time. The courts do not recognize alienation but there is tons of info on the web about it. It is real. The courts are very messed up and in my opinion, they could do away with the guardian ad litems yesterday. Most of them are totally incompetant and worthless.
    I don't tell alot of people my situation because I find myself being questioned and I'm getting very tired of defending myself to people who do not know the entire situation and who are very quick to judge. I don't need the extra pain. Cherished is right, this thread was started as a sanctuary and form of support. It is totally painful to go home to an empty house, wishing your children were there. It is painful to not be involved in the day to day happenings with the kids and frustrating to get calls from friends of a friends telling me that your children were in the docs office that day and the ex never told you they were sick.
    The holidays are terrible, especially if you don't have your kids for those days. The silence screams loudly on Thanksgiving and Christmas when you are home alone.
    There are alot, and I do mean alot, of NCMs out there. There are some blogs for NCMs..all you have to do is google it.
    In closing, let me say that we have the One person who literally carries us through every day, every minute...Jesus. My last lawyer kept telling me how good I did during the last custody battle. Lol...it was not me at all. It was the Lord who gave me His strength to endure every day. It's the Lord who comforts me when I ache for my kids. It will be the Lord who wipes away rivers of tears soon when I go home.

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    Here's a trailer of our life if it were on film:

    I just got a call from the alienated dd15A asking me to calm down her twin sister dd15D because "dad" had just been yelling at her and dd15D had gone to her sister's defense. Seems "dad" kept yelling at dd15A and they got into a fight. "Dad threatened to "bit*h' slap dd15A and to kill her among other things. DD15D doesnt always witness this little exchange but she did tonight. So I got to try and calm dd15D down and all she can think of is how she has to live in that abuse for 2 more years until she graduates.... dd15A knows he hates her and she takes him on. she is the one who probably wont be here Christmas.

    Ok, before the ? even start: Yes they can have input with the court on where they live because of their age. But you are talking teenage girls who only want some approval from their "dad" and who dont want to leave their friends and have been abused. If adults have trouble making correct decisions on getting out of abusive situations, why in the world does everyone think teens can do it? And if you think "this" verbal abuse is "light", there are plenty of other events I could tell you about. OF course, I ran in to the other room and quickly tried to get the recorder on. Wasn't ready for it either.

    So welcome to a chapter in a ncm's life.. even if she is a christian. Trust me.. its being a christian that prevents me from doing things that I would have already done that may not have been at a minimum legal. He mocks my faith but its my faith that is literally saving his butt.

    Any questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine2777 View Post
    Here's a trailer of our life if it were on film:

    I just got a call from the alienated dd15A asking me to calm down her twin sister dd15D because "dad" had just been yelling at her and dd15D had gone to her sister's defense. Seems "dad" kept yelling at dd15A and they got into a fight. "Dad threatened to "bit*h' slap dd15A and to kill her among other things. DD15D doesnt always witness this little exchange but she did tonight. So I got to try and calm dd15D down and all she can think of is how she has to live in that abuse for 2 more years until she graduates.... dd15A knows he hates her and she takes him on. she is the one who probably wont be here Christmas.

    Ok, before the ? even start: Yes they can have input with the court on where they live because of their age. But you are talking teenage girls who only want some approval from their "dad" and who dont want to leave their friends and have been abused. If adults have trouble making correct decisions on getting out of abusive situations, why in the world does everyone think teens can do it? And if you think "this" verbal abuse is "light", there are plenty of other events I could tell you about. OF course, I ran in to the other room and quickly tried to get the recorder on. Wasn't ready for it either.

    So welcome to a chapter in a ncm's life.. even if she is a christian. Trust me.. its being a christian that prevents me from doing things that I would have already done that may not have been at a minimum legal. He mocks my faith but its my faith that is literally saving his butt.

    Any questions?
    Amen!!!! Our kids are in survival mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine2777 View Post
    Here's a trailer of our life if it were on film:

    I just got a call from the alienated dd15A asking me to calm down her twin sister dd15D because "dad" had just been yelling at her and dd15D had gone to her sister's defense. Seems "dad" kept yelling at dd15A and they got into a fight. "Dad threatened to "bit*h' slap dd15A and to kill her among other things. DD15D doesnt always witness this little exchange but she did tonight. So I got to try and calm dd15D down and all she can think of is how she has to live in that abuse for 2 more years until she graduates.... dd15A knows he hates her and she takes him on. she is the one who probably wont be here Christmas.

    Ok, before the ? even start: Yes they can have input with the court on where they live because of their age. But you are talking teenage girls who only want some approval from their "dad" and who dont want to leave their friends and have been abused. If adults have trouble making correct decisions on getting out of abusive situations, why in the world does everyone think teens can do it? And if you think "this" verbal abuse is "light", there are plenty of other events I could tell you about. OF course, I ran in to the other room and quickly tried to get the recorder on. Wasn't ready for it either.

    So welcome to a chapter in a ncm's life.. even if she is a christian. Trust me.. its being a christian that prevents me from doing things that I would have already done that may not have been at a minimum legal. He mocks my faith but its my faith that is literally saving his butt.

    Any questions?
    Ugh! That sounds like my dad talking to ME, and I am 32 years old! He yells at me if I am on the phone and it's 11 at night! Yells, cusses, screams, ect.

    My point is, I don't disbelieve any of you when you tell of the horrible physical, mental & verbal actions. What I can't wrap my mind around is how these MEN are able to manipulate the judges into giving them full (sole) custody of children. Judges are to bade their decisions on FACTS, which have to be PROVED. These facts usally are in the form of WRITTEN DOCUMENTATINO. For instance, say I am dealing w/ a male client who says, my ex-wife is this, this, and this. She is terrible. I want full custody of these kids! My response: Well, what tyupe of proof do you have? His response: Proof? I don't need proof, isn't my word good enough. Me: Not to convince a judge!

    Judges have to have proof...I am curious as to what type of physical evidence these men provided the judge...was it made up on their part? The family court judges here would NOT give one parent full custody over another parent just based on the parent's word. That parent would have to show some type of evidence coorbering. What were the judge's conclusions as to how he awarded custody to one parent and not the other? Here, this info. is all contained in the final order...
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    So, yes, that's my question. It really has nothing to do w/ the NCM; it's about what the judge's rationale/responses are...
    “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)


    BTW, my son is now in the 7th grade!

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    The judge I had got a guardian ad litem involved. The lady told me she has been wrong only once and believed every single thing kids told her. She did not talk to everyone I asked her too and from the beginning had me pegged as the bad one. Right after my ex threw me out of the house, he lifted all bounderies and rules for the kids. It will be 6 years on 12/22 that I was thrown out and since then, most of the kids at the house all have police records. One son was expelled from highschool 3 months before graduation for fighting. My 19 year old daughter was allowed to drive out of state with a boyfriend when she was 14. My 15 year old daughter is berated almost daily because it is up to her, in her dad's eyes, to watch all the other kids and tell him when they do something wrong. When another does do something wrong, he yells at her for some reason. My 12 year old is already sexually active and and parties with the wrong kind of kids. My ex planned my exit very well. He told the older kids I was cheating on him, even though I never did and there was no proof. He told the younger kids I was crazy. My ex spent thousands on the kids...clothes, electronic toys. This from a guy who got mad at me for buying them something from Walmart. My ex got married a year after our divorce, only to throw her out of the house 3 months later the same way.
    The judge made a comment to my lawyer back then that he didn't believe what was being said, yet went with the GALs opinion. I did go back for custody another time, but the other GAL I had was well noted for siding with the father every time. The county that I live in is well known for being lousy in court cases.
    All of my kids at one time since that December have voiced a desire to live with me, only to be pressured and manipulated by their dad. My 3 teens all are on Prozac.
    My first grandchild was born and no one was allowed to tell me.
    My kids are going through a nightmare from someone who doesn't care for them other than how they can be used. The courts are blind and wicked.
    I could go on and on, but hope you get the picture. I have given up on court for anything and trust only the Lord.

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    Hello all This is a friendly reminder that while this thread is titled for Noncustodial Moms, it is still on a public board it is a good way of letting others know what you are going through. As others try to understand, please be patient and realize this isn't something everyone is familiar with, so they may ask questions to clarify things. If it is a bad time, one in which it is hard to answer, you may let someone else answer, or take a day or two before replying. Often, since this is the women's forum, other women like to come and find out what is up with things like the court system, but also to support those of you going through these rough times.

    All I'm saying is that this is indeed an emotional issue, and we hope this thread is a help to everyone who is posting in it. As such, just please make sure to think things through and pray before posting; just as we recommend on other threads.

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    I never realized what it must have been like for my mother.

    In my case, Mom was COMPLETELY unfit. Attempted suicide in front of me, major neglect, etc. Clearly I had to live with Dad.

    Y'all would have loved my Dad. She could see me whenever she wanted, but couldn't have me overnight. As long as she was sober and "safe". She could send me gifts whenever, and call me as long as she was "OK" (not drunk or "crazy").

    Sadly, that was very seldom.

    It must have been very difficult for her over the years. I never realized that; and Dad was a good guy.

    You all. I'm praying.

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