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    Are Magic Circles Being Taught by Zondervan & Mark Batterson??


    Watch this video and ask yourself a few questions:

    Why would Zondervan, a Christian publishing company, be publishing a book and small group curriculum based on a story from the Jewish Mishnah?

    What exactly is the difference between what Batterson and Zondervan are promoting and a Magic Circle?

    Where does the Bible teach us to employ "Prayer Circles"?

    Where does the Bible teach us that if we employ Prayer Circles that God will multiply miracles to us?


    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

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    I can't watch the video right this second, can you tell me what they mean by "Prayer Circle"? Is it anything like the "Ritual Circle" in witchcraft? It's like a concentrated area of power and protection that surrounds the witch during his/her rituals, spells, other magic(k) casting.

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    Same exact thing! this is so overtly occult, it's sickening. I'm SO glad that the Lord God Most High doesn't need ANY ofTHIS to work in my life. Thank You Jesus!

    Stacy

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    Because Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins (publisher of the Satanic Bible by Anton Levay http://www.harpercollins.com/books/S...=9780380015399) which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns FOX TV (The Simpsons, Glee, Fringe), as well as FOX News, and recently, British scandal rags featuring topless women on page three.

    Some folks laud Fox News but as for Murdoch, most of his media empire seems to be sleazy and anti-Christian.

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    A few more odds-and-ends...


    Zondervan is owned by Rupert Murdoch

    Rupert Murdoch was awarded a papal knighthood by Pope John Paul II in 1998

    Zondervan's TNIV "fixed" 75% of those pesky "gender-related problems" feminists, etc. found offensive

    Zondervan CEO said that Rupert Murdoch connection does not present ‘ethical dilemma’ (7/20/11)

    Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins Publishing

    Rupert Murdoch owns HarperCollins which also publishes: The Joy of Gay Sex, How To Make Love Like A Porn Star, Sex Between Men, etc.

    Zondervan is Rick Warren's publisher (currently selling 64 of RW's items, books)

    "I'm Rupert's pastor!", Rick Warren, The New Yorker, Sept. 12, 2005
    (Murdoch has not denied this claim)




    Effective November 1, 2011:

    HarperCollins Buys Thomas Nelson; Corners Religious Book Market


    Zondervan (and Murdoch) has a hold on the Christian book market. Thomas Nelson is the world’s largest Christian publisher and Zondervan claims to be the world’s top Bible publisher.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/ha...-market-60057/





    Asked if there is any truth to recent press describing his new-found piety, Murdoch replies:
    "No. They say I'm a born again Christian and a Catholic convert and so on. I'm certainly a practicing Christian, I go to church quite a bit but not every Sunday and I tend to go to Catholic church -- because my wife is Catholic, I have not formally converted. And I get increasingly disenchanted with the C of E or Episcopalians as they call themselves here. But no, I'm not intensely religious as I'm sometimes described.
    " Interviewed in 1992. Nicholas Coleridge, Paper Tigers (1993), p. 487.




    And to think it will only get worse until Jesus calls us home...

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    After watching this video, it reminded me how I constructed my magic circle (space) for my invocations. Oddly, I noticed how he drew the circle 3 times and that is the same amount of times I would walk around my altar to draw down the Divine into the magic space. yeah, this is very occult in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inHisglory View Post
    After watching this video, it reminded me how I constructed my magic circle (space) for my invocations. Oddly, I noticed how he drew the circle 3 times and that is the same amount of times I would walk around my altar to draw down the Divine into the magic space. yeah, this is very occult in nature.
    Sorry, I'm out of the loop here I guess. You speak as though you are, or were personally involved in some occultist activity. "My altar","my magic circle...". Help me out. What is behind this whole thing? I don't get the circle thing...

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    Matthew 6:5-14

    5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
    9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

    “‘Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be your name,
    10 your kingdom come,
    your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today our daily bread.
    12 And forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
    but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

    14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.


    I didn't see *anything* about drawing circles in the above. I did see "they think they will be heard for their many words"... I guess "many words" is kinda like "drawing circles", "curling your toes", "crossing your fingers" or any other ritualistic thing a man feels like doing in his own power. I also saw "your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." I reckon that is enough. I'm trusting God, not my ability to make a circle... I have trouble drawing straight lines! LOL!

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    thats sad they published my teen guy revolution Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me go! View Post
    Sorry, I'm out of the loop here I guess. You speak as though you are, or were personally involved in some occultist activity. "My altar","my magic circle...". Help me out. What is behind this whole thing? I don't get the circle thing...
    I am sorry for the confusion. I used to be involved in the occult and I picked out some of the commonalities from what he was saying and doing and what I did in the past with my activities. I really don't want to get into all the details about the circle thing, but from the video, he believes by drawing the circle, it will cause God's power to be more focused and powerful. Well, God doesn't need a circle around anyone to do anything he wants. He will answer prayer the way he wants to.

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