My thought is once the job of the church is done, we'll be outta here!

[Marc @ The Writer's Block]

Amen! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

[George H]

I agree; if one looks carefully we can see The Lord calling the unrepentant to salvation.I had the privilege to see this for myself and continue to watch and pray that The Holy Spirit move in the lives of the unsaved, calling, calling them. It is we the redeemed who must be ready to witness when called to do so.

[RandallB]

Amen! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

Great Picture....


But I was promised a horse!!!

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Great Picture....


But I was promised a horse!!!

You'll get your horse at the second coming. You can even choose any color you want (as long as it's white). Revelation 19:14

[RandallB]

You'll get your horse at the second coming. You can even choose any color you want (as long as it's white). Revelation 19:14

Of course you are correct.

Sorry for jumping the gun..



With all the destruction pictured there I mistook it for the 2nd coming....
(because I feel that we Gotta Be Outta Here before all that destruction)

I fell into the trap of not checking the context carefully and putting my own view on the situation...

(Hey Mods -- there is no gif for self flagulation!)

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Of course you are correct.

Sorry for jumping the gun..



With all the destruction pictured there I mistook it for the 2nd coming....
(because I feel that we Gotta Be Outta Here before all that destruction)

I fell into the trap of not checking the context carefully and putting my own view on the situation...

(Hey Mods -- there is no gif for self flagulation!)

I think there's an old saying out there, Don't put your horse before the rapture..... or something like that
Don't worry brother, no need for self flagulation. With the way this world is going, we're all outta here soon I hope.

[Reason&Hope]

I think there's an old saying out there, Don't put your horse before the rapture..... or something like that

[LightOfMyLife]

My thought is when that last person to be saved comes into God's family we are out of here. I really hope it is almost time to go home. It is all in God's control & his timing!

[frankthomson]

Yep, rapture is the moment when all who will, have.

Concerning post rapture world, how can one say what can and cannot be done? We know evil is unleashed or unrestrained, right? So, what supernatural power does that include? Can cities be built? Armies raised? What rules apply once the Bride is swept away?

isnt the devil supposed to be released upon the earth for 5 years at the end?

that'll make the news!

and the Holy Spirit will leave the earth.

all hell's gonna break loose, as it were.

[$teve]

• Time is running out for Iran - Bibi
• Greece and the Eurozone is on the brink of meltdown - analysts
• Syria violence escalating and west should launch aerial bombing campaign - McCain

Ooh ooh ooh! Can anyone hear the footsteps of our King of Kings!!?!

[Buzzardhut]

isnt the devil supposed to be released upon the earth for 5 years at the end?

that'll make the news!

and the Holy Spirit will leave the earth.

all hell's gonna break loose, as it were.

Satan has been alive and well on planet earth for many years now

http://www.amazon.com/Satan-Alive-We...1047262&sr=8-1

The Holy Spirit never leaves but the born again Christian believers leave and the religious remain.

[RandallB]

...
The Holy Spirit never leaves but the born again Christian believers leave and the religious remain.

Excellent point!! The Holy Spirit's Indwelling and Restraining earthly ministries cease at the rapture.

However He will still be present in much the same ministries that He accomplished in the OT period.

He can Come Upon a person for a season but will not indwell them. He can be taken away from a person for a season.

His proding will be necessary for the Trib Saints to come to accept the Lord.

[Marc @ The Writer's Block]

Things sure like they're winding up for the Trumpet to sound! Maranatha!

[Acts5:41]

You never know when you could plant that seed that is to usher in the return of our Lord! Let's get to witnessing!

God Bless!

I LIKE you.

That's how I got my husband to help with Bible Handouts. I told him "What if we only need to hand out 300 more Bibles before the Rapture?"



Now he hands out tracts to everyone, in addition to the Bible Handouts.

[pixelpusher]

I am curious about this notion that the HS doesn't indwell believers in the Trib. Is there a verse to support this, or is it inference from His ministry in the OT? Seems to me the big difference is that Christ had not yet made His sacrifice.

[Luminary]

I'm anxious to go home with everyone, as well, but I am more anxious about anyone being left outside and apart from God for eternity. Being separated permanently from Him is something I would not wish on any human being, ever. This might make some upset, and if so, I apologize deeply; I don't mean to offend: I would not wish hell on humans like Hitler, other creatures like the Satan, or the Antichrist. I do NOT excuse their actions, but those actions are not mine to judge. I would prefer that every single creature come to God, quite simply, so that they could experience His awesomeness and tremendous grace, and so that He might be glorified. I pray every day that this will happen...that none will be left outside.

[Praying]

I'm anxious to go home with everyone, as well, but I am more anxious about anyone being left outside and apart from God for eternity. Being separated permanently from Him is something I would not wish on any human being, ever. This might make some upset, and if so, I apologize deeply; I don't mean to offend: I would not wish hell on humans like Hitler, other creatures like the Satan, or the Antichrist. I do NOT excuse their actions, but those actions are not mine to judge. I would prefer that every single creature come to God, quite simply, so that they could experience His awesomeness and tremendous grace, and so that He might be glorified. I pray every day that this will happen...that none will be left outside.

I am concerned about this too, especially my unsaved loved ones. I have to keep reminding myself that the Rapture is not the end of the opportunity for salvation. Those left behind after the rapture will still have the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, though they will endure many difficult times during the tribulation as they await the second coming of Christ. Even so, many will be supernaturally protected, unless God chooses to allow their life to end before the end of the tribulation. Even so, if they have accepted Jesus Christ, they too will spend eternity with Jesus, and will live in the new earth where Jesus reigns!

It is not my desire for any of my friends or loved ones, or anyone else for that matter to have to endure the tribulation, or even worse, for any of them to choose not to accept Jesus at all. I also know, I cannot save anyone. I can only share my faith with others, talk to them about what is coming, and give them the opportunity to choose Jesus Christ. Ultimately, it is their decision, and me hanging around isn't going to change that unfortunately. We can plant the seeds, and pray, and do our best to live a life that would be pleasing to the Lord, walking in the light we have. The rest is up to them individually. I pray all will come to know and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Time is running out for those sitting on the fence to make the Rapture. Soon and very soon, we are going to see the KING!

[SoThankful]

Excellent point!! The Holy Spirit's Indwelling and Restraining earthly ministries cease at the rapture.

However He will still be present in much the same ministries that He accomplished in the OT period.

He can Come Upon a person for a season but will not indwell them. He can be taken away from a person for a season.

His proding will be necessary for the Trib Saints to come to accept the Lord.

I'm not arguing with you, I've heard this before, but where do you find that in scripture? I fully believe His restraining role will cease, but I don't see why the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a tribulation saint as He does now.

[RandallB]

I'm not arguing with you, I've heard this before, but where do you find that in scripture? I fully believe His restraining role will cease, but I don't see why the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a tribulation saint as He does now.

To begin with let me define what I mean by Indwelling. By this I mean the ministry of the Holy Spirit in which the Holy Spirit is given to every new believer as a deposit guaranteeing that the relationship with the Son has been established permanently. It is a "Sealing", an engagement ring, a gift given by the Groom to His Bride as a token of the covenant that is now established between them. This is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit making their abode with the new believer.

2 Cor 5:5 “Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.”

Ephesians 1:13-14 talks about the 'sealing' ministry of the Holy Spirit for members of the Bride.
2 Cor. 1:21 talks about God has taken on the responsibility of keeping Bride members for His Son.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

The members of the Bride have a guaranteed permanent relationship with the Lord. However individuals may from time to time be out of fellowship with the Lord due to sinful behavior. Confession and repentance will restore the fellowship.

This ministry of the Holy Spirit is new to the Bride-Church era. The Lord Himself said that this would be a new Sending of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

In the OT the Holy Spirit came 'upon' people enabling them for mighty works. The Holy Spirit 'dwelt with' people but could leave them if called for. He is never spoken of as "sealing or indwelling" OT saints.

David prayed that the Lord would not take His Holy Spirit from him. He did not want to lose the relationship he had with the Lord. Psalm 51:11
The Lord had done so with his predecessor. 1 Samuel 16:14

In the post-rapture /pre-MK period, the Holy Spirit will indeed have ministries on the earth. He will be testifing of the Son as Savior, drawing people to the Son, protection of the 144K+2 among many other minstries. However the Trib-Saints are not promised Eternal Security. They must "Endure to the End". They are not sealed.

The 144K are talked about as being "sealed". But I feel that is is more likely similar to Ezekiel 9:4 where the faithful were protected from harm in the destruction of Jerusalem. They are sealed to protect against the locus for one thing.

Trib-Saints must Endure to the End.

Rev. 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Matt 24:12-13 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

The parable of the 10 virgins is about Trib-Saints. They are not the Bride since the wedding has already happened and they are between the wedding itself timeframe and the wedding feast timeframe. They all started with oil (Holy Spirit), they all slept (sinned- not watchful), some had enough oil to endure to the end, some didn't.

I believe that a hint of why the Bride enjoys this special OSAS blessing is found in

John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Post-rapture there will be unmistakable signs of the Lord working in the world, one of the biggest will be the rapture itself. Therefore the blessing of John 20:29 will no longer be in effect.

[im4Jesus]

The church is increasingly losing its effectiveness as more and more apostasy creeps in, at least in western countries. Plus, increasing numbers of its members are being pulled towards the world and contaminating themselves with its standards. I'm humbly amazed at God's grace in choosing to remove every single member of the Church from the world to escape the Tribulation, regardless of their walk with Christ at the moment of the Rapture, and then calling the whole body of the Church, His Bride "without spot or wrinkle".

It's surely time for us to go soon, because those in the church who have compromised their spiritual walk are no longer effective evangelically and those who haven't are sorely vexed in their souls by the ungodliness and evil everywhere you look.

On the other hand, perhaps the reason why we're still here is because in countries like China, evangelism is still reaping an effective harvest.

You're right, and it's not just China, as you know, but India, the Middle East, Africa, Eastern Europe, and places I don't know about, but He does, and is still working there.