Glenn Beck: If Tea Party Votes For Gingrich It's Because Obama's Black

[icebear]

[Steve53]

I am very new here so if I make a mistake please forgive me. I watched Beck on youtube today talking about why he would not could not support Newt. I must agree with him that Newt getting the GOP nom. would most likely allow Obama to have a second term. The only one that would be able to bring in a lot of the Obama base would be Ron Paul. I do not agree with Paul's stance on standing by Israel but I do agree with his stance on small government. I have recently listened to several Dems who are re-registering as Independents to allow them to vote for Paul. If you line all of the GOP candidates up against Obama, Paul has the better chance of beating him. Paul has a very passionate base but the mainstream media and the establishment do not like him. The race card however is a cheap shot!

Paul has no chance of winning the presidency whatsoever and his only contribution to the race would be to draw voters away from the GOP nominee - perhaps resulting in another term for the Marxist.

[outwest]

Interesting, do you know if these Dems voted for Obama last time?

Btw, Welcome to RR!

According to them, yes. Both stated they were very unhappy with his policies and regret giving him their vote but fell for the hope and change he promised. People are tired of being in one war after another. I have 1 son-n-law overseas serving and 4 nephews who have pulled at least 2 tours each. 3 are going back at the first of the new year. I understand from a personal perspective not always wanting to be the ones to police the world. I also know that God is going to be the one to protect Israel from the many enemies who surround her. It saddens me that during the Gog/Magog war no one comes to her side but this would make sense.

[iSong6:3]

According to them, yes. Both stated they were very unhappy with his policies and regret giving him their vote but fell for the hope and change he promised. People are tired of being in one war after another. I have 1 son-n-law overseas serving and 4 nephews who have pulled at least 2 tours each. 3 are going back at the first of the new year. I understand from a personal perspective not always wanting to be the ones to police the world. I also know that God is going to be the one to protect Israel from the many enemies who surround her. It saddens me that during the Gog/Magog war no one comes to her side but this would make sense.

Are you pre-Trib?

We here believe in Genesis 12:3 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This has been gone over ad nauseum with other Paul supporters, we won't get into it again.

Nor will we let this thread be hijacked for Paul.

[outwest]

Are you pre-Trib?

We here believe in Genesis 12:3 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This has been gone over ad nauseum with other Paul supporters, we won't get into it again.

Nor will we let this thread be hijacked for Paul.

I am pre-trib. I am not a Ron Paul supporter and I absolutely believe in standing for Israel, but you can't see the whole picture with pieces missing. I have no intention of changing the subject but bringing to light Becks reason as he stated for not ever voting for Newt. Having Obama or Paul would help explain why the US is not there to defend Israel during the Gog/Magog war. Being able to say the rapture is pre Gog/magog or post Gog/magog is only for our Father to know. Both men in office would explain the US sideline attitude if it is pre.

[savedatcamp]

The Tea Party Nation isn't a "thing" with one mind. It doesn't have a leader or official platform. It's made up of millions of conservative, patriot Americans who hold various opinions on many issues.

Our choices for POTUS will always come from a pool of sinful, fallen humans like ourselves. Sad to say, electing candidates who will do the least harm to our country is about the best any citizen can do while living in this world.

It's beyond ridiculous to expect identical, lock-step reactions from large groups of people. Those of us who belong to the Tea Party will be unwavering in some things while making pragmatic decisions in other things.

Well said.

[old_andy]

It seems to me, and please correct me if I am wrong, that GB used to insist in every program to not take anything he says at face value and to check out everything he says.

Methinks GB has become very full of himself and has assumed the role of sage and prophet.

But, that is just my opinion.

[SoThankful]

Are you pre-Trib?

We here believe in Genesis 12:3 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This has been gone over ad nauseum with other Paul supporters, we won't get into it again.

Nor will we let this thread be hijacked for Paul.

Just out of curiosity and I'm not trying to argue and this doesn't have to do with Paul, I'm undecided. Do you think the way we've been handling Israel for the past 20 or so years has been a blessing? What I mean is giving them aid while pretty much forcing them to give land away, halt settlement expansion, giving their neighbors aid as well, etc. It just seems to me that this is more detrimental than simply cutting all foreign aid off to everybody. I can see both points of view, just curious.

[Buzzardhut]

Just out of curiosity and I'm not trying to argue and this doesn't have to do with Paul, I'm undecided. Do you think the way we've been handling Israel for the past 20 or so years has been a blessing? What I mean is giving them aid while pretty much forcing them to give land away, halt settlement expansion, giving their neighbors aid as well, etc. It just seems to me that this is more detrimental than simply cutting all foreign aid off to everybody. I can see both points of view, just curious.

Obama is turning America's support away from Israel which invites God's judgment upon the U.S.

According to them, yes. Both stated they were very unhappy with his policies and regret giving him their vote but fell for the hope and change he promised. People are tired of being in one war after another. I have 1 son-n-law overseas serving and 4 nephews who have pulled at least 2 tours each. 3 are going back at the first of the new year. I understand from a personal perspective not always wanting to be the ones to police the world. I also know that God is going to be the one to protect Israel from the many enemies who surround her. It saddens me that during the Gog/Magog war no one comes to her side but this would make sense.

As long as we have the religion of peace we will have war and terrorism, we need to keep a hawk president until rapture. I think we need to keep more troops home rather than policing the world.

[IbelieveinJesus]

I think the reason why Newt Gingrich has gained ground, is because he is very articulate, and I think many Conservatives are desperate for a candidate who can confidently go toe to toe against Barack Obama in a debate, and I think Newt can do that, even if he does occasionally suffer from foot in mouth disease.

To say that there is some relationship to race there, is so silly, it doesn't deserve a meaningful response, especially as the previous Tea Party favorite was Herman Cain.

Regarding Ron Paul. Paul has been blessed in that as no one has considered him a viable candidate, he hasn't been the focus of any real attacks. If that perception of him changed, and there was real discussion of his views on foreign policy, or 9-11. I would think most of his support would quickly evaporate.

-Ted

[OnceWasLost]

Whoever the POTUS becomes, unless he has the House and Senate as bama had his first 2 years, little can be done in big, sweeping terms. It's why if by some unimaginable set of circumstances Paul became POTUS he has zero chance of getting his way on same sex marriage, drug legalization, abolishing the Fed and various government agencies. The one thing he could do, which is genuinely frightening, he could implement his foreign policy and placate the islamists and have a hands off approach to Israel

I agree with smaller government, etc, but he is not in the least bit mainstream and will be so marginalized as to be completely ineffective. He lacks the likeability to get the masses behind him, so he would be politically paralyzed for 4 years. Aside from his hardcore fans, he is not someone people will rally around, and come to his way of thinking.

[Alex]

Whoever the POTUS becomes, unless he has the House and Senate as bama had his first 2 years, little can be done in big, sweeping terms. It's why if by some unimaginable set of circumstances Paul became POTUS he has zero chance of getting his way on same sex marriage, drug legalization, abolishing the Fed and various government agencies. The one thing he could do, which is genuinely frightening, he could implement his foreign policy and placate the islamists and have a hands off approach to Israel

I agree with smaller government, etc, but he is not in the least bit mainstream and will be so marginalized as to be completely ineffective. He lacks the likeability to get the masses behind him, so he would be politically paralyzed for 4 years. Aside from his hardcore fans, he is not someone people will rally around, and come to his way of thinking.

This is why we need to vote more Republicans in to the House and Senate. I have heard some say, "If so and so gets the nod, I'm not voting at all" We still need the vote for Congress.

[SoThankful]

Obama is turning America's support away from Israel which invites God's judgment upon the U.S.

I understand that Obama is the first "President" that is openly hostile to Israel, but going all the way back to GHW Bush, they have all had a hand in negotiating to give Israeli land away. Ugh, I wish the GOP would grow a spine and get this guy out of the Oval Office, they could have done it for 3 years now.

[BrideOfChrist]

It's painful to listen to Beck anymore. His assertion that Newt absolutely could not beat Obama is laughable.

[iSong6:3]

Just out of curiosity and I'm not trying to argue and this doesn't have to do with Paul, I'm undecided. Do you think the way we've been handling Israel for the past 20 or so years has been a blessing? What I mean is giving them aid while pretty much forcing them to give land away, halt settlement expansion, giving their neighbors aid as well, etc. It just seems to me that this is more detrimental than simply cutting all foreign aid off to everybody. I can see both points of view, just curious.

To be honest though, every PM of Israel has been willing to and part and parcel of giving their own land away. How much *blame* is due to Israel's own government. We're living in a world with leaders of both countries who do not understand the issues the way we do, with a Biblical and prophetic perspective.

No, we've not been the perfect friend. But I believe to some extent, in times past we've not wanted to seem so impartially for Israel, so we have been a special friend to Israel behind the scenes but for the infamous *Arab streets* we have almost gone overboard to show we can be *fair*. Imo, it was a strategy to use in trying to bargain peace in the region.

Now, of course, we have another situation entirely in the WH...

[SoThankful]

Before people support Gingrich, they really need to look at his past, this guy is extremely dangerous, even more so than Obama. He has stated a number of time that if you want to understand his worldview and what shapes his policies, then read "The Third Wave" by Albert Toffler. I'm not sure of how many of you guys have read it, I read it back in the late '90's in college. It's written as if Toffler was writing a letter to the Founding Fathers. It basically says that limited government is an obsolete concept and needs to be redesigned and replaced. It also glorifies and presents behavior and acts like abortion, homosexuality, adultery and promiscuity as normal and desirable. This guy is prime for a one world gov't.

[HeIsEnough]

To be honest though, every PM of Israel has been willing to and part and parcel of giving their own land away.

Was gonna point that out. Its less that we drive the situation, the internal politics of Israel is what is in play. I wouldn't call any previous administration perfect, but one who sides with Iran and Syria over Israel is far less perfect, downright dangerous really. Of all the candidates, including Obama, I see Ron Paul turning his back on Israel in their time of need. He is a great big giant FAIL, and the Republicans should strip his title as a Republican and tell him to get his own title, like Libertarian.

He is just egotistical enough to run as an independent, thus shoring up Obama's reelection. Him, his cronies and those who support him should get our full, unmitigated disdain at that point, if he does it. We'll sound like Pharaoh around here then....'let the name Ron Paul be stricken!'

[carol1948]

Before people support Gingrich, they really need to look at his past, this guy is extremely dangerous, even more so than Obama. He has stated a number of time that if you want to understand his worldview and what shapes his policies, then read "The Third Wave" by Albert Toffler. I'm not sure of how many of you guys have read it, I read it back in the late '90's in college. It's written as if Toffler was writing a letter to the Founding Fathers. It basically says that limited government is an obsolete concept and needs to be redesigned and replaced. It also glorifies and presents behavior and acts like abortion, homosexuality, adultery and promiscuity as normal and desirable. This guy is prime for a one world gov't.

I will check this out. When (how recently) did Gingrich say this if you know? We conservatives do not need to be deceived by a Gingrich 'hope and change' message like the independents were deceived by O.

[ThePenguin]

He is just egotistical enough to run as an independent, thus shoring up Obama's reelection. Him, his cronies and those who support him should get our full, unmitigated disdain at that point, if he does it. We'll sound like Pharaoh around here then....'let the name Ron Paul be stricken!'

I've always said that if Obama wins in 2012 I'll have a really really hard time speaking to anyone who voted for him.

[SoThankful]

I will check this out. When (how recently) did Gingrich say this if you know? We conservatives do not need to be deceived by a Gingrich 'hope and change' message like the independents were deceived by O.

Carol1948, it was about a decade ago, '99 or '00 or so, I saw him say it on C-SPAN. I will try to find it on youtube and post it here.