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    As a liar, I would expect the AC to claim all kinds of falsehoods. But likely the blood connections will be missing. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by iSong6:3 View Post
    There are differing opinions by Bible scholars, some say yes and some say no:




    This was very interesting to me. I will stay with Hal Lindsey's view that the a/c will come out of the revived Roman Empire, so he will be of Roman descent. I was a little surprised that Todd believes the a/c will be a Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    This was very interesting to me. I will stay with Hal Lindsey's view that the a/c will come out of the revived Roman Empire, so he will be of Roman descent. I was a little surprised that Todd believes the a/c will be a Jew.
    i feel he'll have a greek nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    This was very interesting to me. I will stay with Hal Lindsey's view that the a/c will come out of the revived Roman Empire, so he will be of Roman descent. I was a little surprised that Todd believes the a/c will be a Jew.
    I think it's interesting too, people I respect can differ on this. I'm sticking with Hal Lindsey's view also, it seems clearest to me from the Biblical text.
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    On the video what does Grant Jeffery believe??? Jew or not to Jew that is the question?


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    WOW after watching the two video's I am more confused than normal! I am going to have to do a lot of reading on ALL of the Bible verses that they referenced! I have always thought he would be an Assyrian Jew but I will have to re-evaluate it. Still not convinced it is not but it has given me some fuel for thought! That is what I like about this site it challenges you to look at your position from a Biblical prospective!

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    On the video what does Grant Jeffery believe???
    I'm still dying to know. I only have pre-paid and youtube gobbles up my credit. So please some one tell me

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    Aussie, Grant Jeffery says on the video that he believes the antichrist will be a jew.

    I don't agree with him myself....

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    i dont think he will be revived roman empire. i think that was used (might be wrong) but it was developed way back, thus fitting the precursor to the EU and if the rapture happened in say 1970. it could happen but how would you win over the muslims and orthodox jews? i would say a muslim blood european born AC and say, a part jew part japanese or some odd combo like that with jew in it, born in America, so they unite the world pretty much. although that is a human guess, and only God knows.

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    Aussie, Grant Jeffery says on the video that he believes the antichrist will be a jew.

    I don't agree with him myself....
    Oh cool- that's how I've always seen it too.



    Jesus Christ affirmed this when he warned the Jews: “I am come in my Father’s Name but you will not receive Me. Another will come in his own name and him you will receive.”
    (St John 5:43)

    ALSO this verse-

    Daniel 11:37

    Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

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    Micha! Please forgive me! I so meant to do this earlier!

    Okay, I made indecipherable scratches on my note page here...

    There was a Bible prophecy conference in Dallas and apparently all these Bible prophecy scholars were in attendance so Dr. Reagan asked them "Will the AC be a Jew?"

    yes - 1

    could be - 1

    maybe - 1

    (Jew/Muslim - 1)

    no - 8

    1) Phillip Goodman - could be but Bible is not clear enough to say. Primary passage used for Jewish AC is Daniel 11:37 but it's unclear whether to translate "God of fathers" (likely Jewish) or "gods of fathers" (Gentile), so look to geopolitical ruling in times of Gentiles, stronger evidence is he will be a Gentile.

    2) Don Perkins - could be. 2 Thessalonians 2, AC will to into Temple and be worshipped as God by the Jews (!!! That's incorrect.)

    3) Todd Strandberg - highly likely. He will be a replacement for Christ, mirror him, Jews will not accept a non-Jew as Messiah.

    4) Daymund Duck - no. Daniel 11:37 reads "God" or "gods" depending on translation [my edit - the Hebrew word for God is elohim, which is a plural word], "God" would indicate of the monotheistic religions, "gods" means a Gentile. John 5:43 "receive" - some say it means Jews would only receive a Jew as messiah so AC must be a Jew but the Jews will never worship him only receive him as a great leader who guarantees them via the 7-year treaty peace and security, Daniel 7:3 and Revelation 13:1 say the beast comes out of the sea which means Gentile nations in the Bible.

    5) Don McGee - no. AC will have to command worldwide attention, it's a longshot a Jew could do that but a well-placed European could easily do that, AC will institute his own religion.

    6) Nathan Jones - no. Revelation 13 - beast from the sea means Gentile AC but the FP comes from the Land so FP could be a Jew.

    7) Arnold Fruchtenbaum - no. Daniel 9:26-27 specifies the AC will be of the same ethnic group that destroyed the Temple in 70AD, a Gentile of Roman origin.

    8) Al Gist - no. FP maybe Jewish but AC will be apostate Gentile like the Caesars of Roman Empire.

    9) Mark Hitchcock - no. AC will be the leader of the last great Gentile world empire, the previous ones were Gentiles (Daniel 2 & 7), he will mercilessly persecute the Jewish people, unlikely for a Jew to do, the previous AC type was Antiochus Epiphanes who was a Gentile, Revelation 13 says he rises out of sea = Gentile, it's clear he's a Gentile.

    10) Ed Hindson - absolutely not. Jews will make treaty with the leader of Revived Roman Empire, an unbeliever/atheist who puts forth that he is god.

    (11) Ray Gano - a Jewish/Muslim hybrid. )

    12) David Reagan - no. Not Jewish, not Muslim, a Gentile.
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    Okay, so there's no way of really knowing then.

    But I still lean (heavily) to Him being Jewish...

    Micha! Please forgive me! I so meant to do this earlier!
    No worries
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    Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. (Daniel 11:37)

    This indicates, to me, he must be either a Jew or Christian as this reference (God of his fathers) is used multiple times in the OT in reference to Jehovah God.


    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (1 John 2:18,19)

    John says that antichrist is coming in the future. He says in verse 19 that the antichrists were accounted as Christians but were really apostates or not Christians really at all.

    That's my take - an apostate Christian or pretender who never really was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Micha View Post
    Okay, so there's no way of really knowing then.

    But I still lean (heavily) to Him being Jewish...
    Look at what Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Mark Hitchcock, Daymund Duck, Ed Hindson, and Nathan Jones had to say. Their opinion is given in light of Scripture, so given that insight why do you think they are wrong and you are correct?
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    A Jewish Antichrist would seem to violate Daniels' description of Nebuchadnezzer's dream.
    The image of world leaders speaks of four Gentile kingdoms growing baser as they reach the feet.
    A Rock made without hands (Christ) smashes the feet (feet =end time) which finishes the Times of the Gentiles.
    Jewish world ruler during the time of the Gentiles does not make much sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds View Post
    A Jewish Antichrist would seem to violate Daniels' description of Nebuchadnezzer's dream.
    The image of world leaders speaks of four Gentile kingdoms growing baser as they reach the feet.
    A Rock made without hands (Christ) smashes the feet (feet =end time) which finishes the Times of the Gentiles.
    Jewish world ruler during the time of the Gentiles does not make much sense to me.
    So do most of the Bible prophecy teachers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson View Post
    i dont think he will be revived roman empire. i think that was used (might be wrong) but it was developed way back, thus fitting the precursor to the EU and if the rapture happened in say 1970. it could happen but how would you win over the muslims and orthodox jews? i would say a muslim blood european born AC and say, a part jew part japanese or some odd combo like that with jew in it, born in America, so they unite the world pretty much. although that is a human guess, and only God knows.
    It goes back further than that(the idea of the a/c being of Roman descent). Daniel 9:26,27 says the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the Temple. We know that Temple was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70. So IMHO the a/c will be of Roman descent, non-Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    It goes back further than that(the idea of the a/c being of Roman descent). Daniel 9:26,27 says the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the Temple. We know that Temple was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70. So IMHO the a/c will be of Roman descent, non-Jew.
    I guess me and Todd are on the same page.

    Coming from Rome, or Roman descent, does not prohibit being a Jew. There are Jews who can claim "descent" from many different countries. Little is needed nowadays to call oneself a Jew, and the shmoozing liar that he will be means he will claim whatever is expedient at the time, I believe. These are debatable matters though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeIsEnough View Post
    I guess me and Todd are on the same page.

    Coming from Rome, or Roman descent, does not prohibit being a Jew. There are Jews who can claim "descent" from many different countries. Little is needed nowadays to call oneself a Jew, and the shmoozing liar that he will be means he will claim whatever is expedient at the time, I believe. These are debatable matters though.
    Yes, I can see how one could claim to be a Jew, and lie to them, to get them to sign a treaty(whatever it is). But he could be a charismatic, silver tongued gentile too, IMHO. I should not have said he will be a non-Jew in my previous post, because I don't know. Like you said Jews can claim descent from many countries. . I am by no means a Bible scholar, but I read alot, mostly from the wealth of material on RR(Todd included) and lots of Jack Kelly. Here is why I lean toward the a/c being a gentile. After Daniel 9:26 God halts His dealing with the Jews, begins the Church age, and when the Church age is finished, He again deals with the Jews in Daniel 9:27. JMO
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    Idk , last year there was an article on RR that said that the AC could be of ME descent. The Roman legion that actually razed the temple was from the area of modern day turkey and Syria. Not all the Romans were from Europe, after all Paul was an roman citizen and he was from Turkey. Just food for thought.

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