The UN Divides the World into 10 Regional Groupings

[RoseofSharon]

Phl 4:8 ¶ Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
[ Phl 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you

[Gideon300]

I don't think the EU will collapse, it will just reinvent itself into something more sinister something even more interdependent.

You are absolutely right. Currently, the EU is still a loose coalition of nations for economic means, but they still have have a lot of national sovereignty. England has yet to accept the EU as their currency, as well. What you will see happen is a stronger more centralized EU government, and less state sovereignty. The whole point of the EU was to compete directly with the US, and they can't do that in their current state. They need to be much more consolidated for competition.

We saw the same thing happen in the US as a result of the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War states were highly competitive in commerce. The Northern states would actually put tariffs on Southern goods. Economics, and state rights were key causes of the Civil War. Following the Civil War we had a strong centralized federal government rather than the weak central government we had before Appomattox.

[ChristSoldier]

Is there a breakdown study on Rapture Ready that explains who the nations of Rev13 refers to? REI posted an article of the "community of ten" that sparked my interest.

[ChristSoldier]

My bad the article of "community of ten" was started by Believers in Miracles

[Brent0517]

Revelation 17:7 "and the angel said to me "why do you wonder? I shall tell you the mystery of the women and the beast that carries her which has the seven heads and 10 horns.

Revelation 17:9 "here is the mind whchs has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the women sits"

I am pretty sure the seven mountains are Rome

Revelation 17:12. "and the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour"

[Verisimilitude]

I believe the seven hills are Rome. In addition, in ancient times it was sometimes referred to as Babylon by Christians, because of the paganism that was practice there.

It's the 10 horns that has me wondering, especially moreso right now. In the first few centuries AD, many Christians were sent to the arena to be put to death. However, they were given the chance to live. All they had to do was reject Christ and offer some sort of sacrifice to a pagan roman god. In Iran right now, Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani is under a death sentence for his belief in Christ. He was given 3 chances to reject Christ and embrace Islam and refused. Barring a miracle, this man is going to be executed for his faith in the Only Begotten Son of God.

The parallels here are amazing! The ancient, pagan Rome is alive and well and can be found in Iran. They are not alone, in Egypt those who proclaim Christ are under a most severe persecution right now, ever since the recent overthrow of the government, things for them have gone from bad to worse. In Sudan, it's a common practice to turn Christians into slaves. More and more I'm hearing the term "Chrislam" on the shows I watch and listen too. Pagan Rome is spread throughout the middle east and is active.

The formations of the 10 horns seems to be well under way. The return of Rome has already begun. The false religion of a mergence between the stone god Allah and a false Christ is in progress. I'm frightened for the world, for all those who refuse Christ. If they had any idea what they're about to suffer, their hearts would fail them for fear.

[Tall Timbers]

Is there a breakdown study on Rapture Ready that explains who the nations of Rev13 refers to? REI posted an article of the "community of ten" that sparked my interest.

On page 40 of Footsteps of the Messiah, Arnold indicates that the 10 horns represent the 10 kingdoms which precede the anti-christs assention to leadership of the OWG.

What about the 7 heads? Beginning on page 41 Arnold says: "Then verses 9-10 explain the meaning of the seven heads. Verse 9 states that the seven heads are seven mountains. Unfortunately, too many Bible teachers have stopped here, ignored the following verse, and consequently concluded that the seven mountains represent Rome for Rome is a city sitting upon seven hills. However, a number of cities in the Middle East claim to sit upon seven hills or mountains. So this is not enough to pinpoint Rome as the place to which this passage refers. But the identification with Rome becomes totally unwarranted if the verse is seen in its complete context. The fact that the seven heads are said to be seven mountains shows that these mountains are to the taken symbolically. As mentioned previously, whenever the word mountain is used symbolically, it is always a symbol of a king, kingdom, or throne. This is the case here. In fact, the very next verse, verse ten, actually interprets the meaning of the seven mountains. Vere nine does not end the sentence, since the sentence continues into verse ten. Having stated that the seven heads are seven mountains in verse 9, he clearly states in verse ten that these seven mountains represent something other than real mountains: and they are seven kings. The meaning of mountains here is quite consistent with its symbolic usage everywhere else in the Scriptures. In verse nine, the seven heads are seven mountains, and in verse ten the pronoun they clearly indicates that these seven mountains are to be viewed as seven kings. It is not Rome the city that is meant, but seven kings. Verse ten further states that of these seven heads-mountains-kings, five were fallen by John's day, one was present at that time, and one more was yet to come. If this refers to Rome the city, then five hills should no longer be in existence, only one should be there now, with another to arise int eh future! Contextually then, this is an impossible interpretation.

While both the ten horns and seven heads are representative of kings, there is a difference between them. The ten horns are kings that are contemporary with each other. They all rise and reign at the same time,. But the seven heads are chronological or sequential. One follows the other in chronological sequence, and no two are every contemporary. At the time of the writing of Revelation, five had already gone into history and were no more. The sixth head-mountain-king was present and in control, and there was one more to go."

Arnold then goes on to explain the seven mountains in more depth on pages 42-43.

[Sydney Spider]

On page 40 of Footsteps of the Messiah, Arnold indicates that the 10 horns represent the 10 kingdoms which precede the anti-christs assention to leadership of the OWG.

What about the 7 heads? Beginning on page 41 Arnold says: "Then verses 9-10 explain the meaning of the seven heads. Verse 9 states that the seven heads are seven mountains. Unfortunately, too many Bible teachers have stopped here, ignored the following verse, and consequently concluded that the seven mountains represent Rome for Rome is a city sitting upon seven hills. However, a number of cities in the Middle East claim to sit upon seven hills or mountains. So this is not enough to pinpoint Rome as the place to which this passage refers. But the identification with Rome becomes totally unwarranted if the verse is seen in its complete context. The fact that the seven heads are said to be seven mountains shows that these mountains are to the taken symbolically. As mentioned previously, whenever the word mountain is used symbolically, it is always a symbol of a king, kingdom, or throne. This is the case here. In fact, the very next verse, verse ten, actually interprets the meaning of the seven mountains. Vere nine does not end the sentence, since the sentence continues into verse ten. Having stated that the seven heads are seven mountains in verse 9, he clearly states in verse ten that these seven mountains represent something other than real mountains: and they are seven kings. The meaning of mountains here is quite consistent with its symbolic usage everywhere else in the Scriptures. In verse nine, the seven heads are seven mountains, and in verse ten the pronoun they clearly indicates that these seven mountains are to be viewed as seven kings. It is not Rome the city that is meant, but seven kings. Verse ten further states that of these seven heads-mountains-kings, five were fallen by John's day, one was present at that time, and one more was yet to come. If this refers to Rome the city, then five hills should no longer be in existence, only one should be there now, with another to arise int eh future! Contextually then, this is an impossible interpretation.

While both the ten horns and seven heads are representative of kings, there is a difference between them. The ten horns are kings that are contemporary with each other. They all rise and reign at the same time,. But the seven heads are chronological or sequential. One follows the other in chronological sequence, and no two are every contemporary. At the time of the writing of Revelation, five had already gone into history and were no more. The sixth head-mountain-king was present and in control, and there was one more to go."

Arnold then goes on to explain the seven mountains in more depth on pages 42-43.

Yep. The seven heads represent past and future world empires....Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome (which was present at the time Revelation was written) and then the seventh is the revived Roman Empire which will arise in the Tribulation under the leadership of the Antichrist.

[ChristSoldier]

Ok. Thanks guys. Great stuff!

[tfcrew]

I believe the seven hills are Rome. In addition, in ancient times it was sometimes referred to as Babylon by Christians, because of the paganism that was practice there.

Bears consideration though, as paganism was practiced everywhere...

Although evidence for the identification of Babylon with Rome may initially appear convincing, upon careful examination it becomes clear that Babylon cannot mean Rome.

http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teachi...m/04010303.htm

[dleader]

Bears consideration though, as paganism was practiced everywhere...



http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teachi...m/04010303.htm

That was a good read thanks for sharing.

[MaranathaLJ]

Daniel 7:24 is important because it says 10 horns/kings ..."shall arise from this kingdom" speaking of the 4th Beast or

Roman Empire.

Daniel 2:42 says this Revived Roman Empire will be partially weak and strong much like we are seeing today in the EU with the stronger economies bailing out the weak and they say it's too big to succeed at 27 or whatever it is.

It even seems to mention the bickering that has went on in Daniel 2:43

Agree with the others on Rome being the main city. In Revelation 18:17 it talks about the shipmaster seeing the smoke from the destruction that makes sense for Rome rather than Babylon in Iraq which there is not a near seaport and it's currently not a major trade route as described.

[Gideon300]

This is my opinion: I believe the 10 nations are 5 nations from Europe that were a part of the Old Roman Empire and 5 nations from the Middle East that were a part of the Old Roman Empire. I gather this from the statue in Daniel.

Interestingly, the Euro-Mediterranean process in Barcelona is a committee that is eventually supposed to fuse the EU with the UM. I read a story a while back that said 5 people from the ME nations and 5 people from the EU were picked to head up this committee. The story stated that the committee hoped to elect a single leader to head up a new larger union. Is this the committee that will be the 10 kings, I don't know, only time will tell.

Another interesting point: In Ezekiel 38 & 39 we are told that Tarshish will protest the invasion of Gog's forces. Recent evidence states ancient Tarshish is in modern day Spain, which is where the MU building is located, in Barcelona.

[waiting1]

The 10 World Kingdoms by UN:

The Names of the 10 World Kingdoms

 North America
 Central America and Caribbean
 South America
 Western Europe
 Eastern Europe and Central Asia
 Mediterranean and Middle-East
 Africa
 North-East and South Asia
 South-East Asia
 Australia and Pacific

I have the regions in a picture embedded in Word which references the EU for its source and the address doesn't show show the image anymore just the regions. If I could find out the image type I could embed it here.
I also know someone has posted it at an RR forum before on this board.

[araj54]

The best answer to this question I believe would be: "It is yet to be determined, or revealed".

[Florian9]

This is my opinion: I believe the 10 nations are 5 nations from Europe that were a part of the Old Roman Empire and 5 nations from the Middle East that were a part of the Old Roman Empire. I gather this from the statue in Daniel.

Interestingly, the Euro-Mediterranean process in Barcelona is a committee that is eventually supposed to fuse the EU with the UM. I read a story a while back that said 5 people from the ME nations and 5 people from the EU were picked to head up this committee. The story stated that the committee hoped to elect a single leader to head up a new larger union. Is this the committee that will be the 10 kings, I don't know, only time will tell.

Another interesting point: In Ezekiel 38 & 39 we are told that Tarshish will protest the invasion of Gog's forces. Recent evidence states ancient Tarshish is in modern day Spain, which is where the MU building is located, in Barcelona.

Are you talking about the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-Me...an_Partnership

Or the Union for the Mediterranean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_f..._Mediterranean

I vaguely remember one of these maybe what you are talking about--but I just skimmed over the descriptions and didn't see "10 nations".

Tarshish could refer to one of the old Carthaginian/Phoenician port cities in Spain such as Gadir (modern Cadíz) or Western Europe/Western Civilization in general regarding that prophecy.

[$teve]

Since a similar issue is being discussed here...

Gulf leaders to discuss EU-style union
From Samira Said, CNN
May 13, 2012 -- Updated 0741 GMT (1541 HKT)

The leaders of the Gulf Cooperation Council will hold a meeting Monday in Saudi Arabia to discuss transforming their six nations into a union, similar to the European Union.

The idea of the GCC nations to integrate into one entity -- and replace what exists now as simply a cooperative -- was first floated by Saudi Arabia in December. Monday's meeting in Riyadh will lay out the timetable for it.

The GCC is comprised of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

"The threats of all kinds require the hard works of the GCC countries to shift from a current formula of cooperation to a union formula acceptable to the six countries," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said last month.

He didn't specify what threats he was referring to. But some analysts have said the GCC move could be an effort to counter the growing influence of Shiite Iran.

The GCC was formed in 1981, soon after Iran instituted a Shiite theocracy and went to war with primarily Sunni Iraq.

Iran and Iraq have enjoyed closer ties in recent years, especially as Iraq's Shia Muslim majority has solidified its power in the absence of former leader Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim.

After U.S. forces pulled out of Iraq last year, Tehran has expanded military and security cooperation with Baghdad.

Also, GCC member Bahrain blames Iran for fueling the anti-government unrest that continues to roil the country. Tehran has denied involvement.

Bahrain is a predominantly Shiite country, ruled by a Sunni royal family.

Last year, at the height of the protests, Bahrain called it troops from member nations Saudi Arabia and the UAE and cracked down.

Iran is also engaged in a longtime border dispute with the UAE over three Persian Gulf islands; Abu Mousa, and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs.

The UAE says Iran has illegally occupied the islands. Iran views them as part of its territory.

In this climate, comes the GCC move to form a union.

"Such strategic vision would include common approaches to defense, security, political and economic long-term interests," said GCC Assistant Secretary General Abdel Aziz Aluwaisheg in an opinion piece Sunday in the Saudi English-language daily, Arab News.

Already, Al Wefaq, Bahrain's main Shiite opposition party, has demanded that the Bahraini government put the idea to a popular vote before it agrees.

"The people of the states of the European Union voted on the union decision before the union was announced. The people of the Gulf should also have their say," he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/13/wo...html?hpt=hp_t3

[Shannon9602]

Found it!!! Just scroll all the way down to the bottom, you will see a map...

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/pd...t_2009_ENG.pdf

[Ovicula]

In order to solve the euro crisis and survive in the modern world, European Union nations need to give up more powers, forge a political union and create new institutions like a European Army, 10 EU foreign ministers said in a report presented to EU officials on June 19.

Several of the finance ministers also called for the creation of what has been termed a “super-president” as a single figurehead for the union.

Sometimes called the “Berlin Group” or “Berlin Club,” the group began meeting at the suggestion of German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle to reinvigorate European integration.

“We take the current crisis to be a wake-up call,” its interim report said. “Time for far-reaching reforms is short …. What we are ultimately talking about is making the European Union and the euro irreversible.”

To combat the euro crisis, the report says the EU must overcome a “fundamental flaw—monetary union without economic union.” Europe should “look into the possibility of a stronger role for European institutions regarding national budgets.” More decisions need to be taken at the European level, it says, and a nation’s power to veto these decisions needs to be cut back.

But the recommendations go beyond the current crisis. “New political and economic global players are gaining more influence,” said the report. “In dealing with these new powerhouses, we Europeans will only be able to uphold our values and pursue our interests effectively if we pool our strengths much more, both internally and in dealings with the outside world.”

In the long term, this means a “European Defense Policy,” which could include a “European Army” for some nations, the report said. When it comes to defense policy, “most foreign ministers feel that we should be more ambitious,” says the report.

In the shorter term, the European External Action Service (eeas)—the EU’s diplomatic, intelligence and military unit—must “be strengthened more.” The EU also needs “a more dynamic Common Security and Defense Policy, stronger eeas planning and command capabilities for civil-military operations, more pooling and sharing.”

The report also says, “We should also aim for a common seat in international organizations,” presumably referring to the EU’s longstanding goal of gaining a seat on the UN Security Council.

The group plans to continue meeting, focusing especially on how to make Europe “a global player.”

The 10 foreign ministers endorsing the report are from Germany, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Spain. French representatives also attended some of the meetings.

These are some of the most influential nations in the EU. Watch for their recommendations to be acted on quickly, as the euro crisis forces eurozone nations closer together.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/9536.8422....-european-army


The original report (8 pages):

Foreign Ministers’ group on the Future of Europe
Chairman’s Statement1 for an Interim Report2
15 June 2012
The time for a debate on the Future of Europe is now

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/cae/s...AE557B7D1E5F26


From the German Federal Foreign Office:

Time for a debate on Europe’s future

The European Foreign Ministers’ Future of Europe Group has outlined its ideas on current challenges and Europe’s future in an interim report. Foreign Minister Westerwelle believes that the European project “is facing the toughest test in its history”.

“We have to overcome the debt crisis but, at the same time, conduct the necessary debate on Europe’s future,” Westerwelle stated on 19 June commenting on the interim report issued by the Future of Europe Group. At his initiative, a number of EU Foreign Ministers have been discussing since March what lessons can be learned from the current debt crisis and how the European Union can become more effective and more democratic.

The interim report states that Europe is facing two major challenges: first of all, it would have to work its way out of the current crisis, secondly it would have to evolve into a global player of weight. The current crisis was a “wake-up call”, it says in the report, to conduct the political debate on the future of the European project “now” and “across Europe”.

The Foreign Ministers’ proposals focused on changes within the framework of the existing treaties – although they believed that the option of further-reaching reform measures should not be ruled out in the medium term.

The paper includes the following proposals:

•In the sphere of economic and fiscal policy, more European rights to intervene were necessary. In order to achieve sound national budgets, additional measures were required, in the medium term also by way of transferring sovereign rights.

•The three pillars of sound financial policies, stimulus for growth to strengthen competitiveness and solidarity were the key to overcoming the crisis. Each of the three principles were indispensable and had to be further developed at European level.

•More common policies would need efficient decision-making and streamlined institutions. For example, a smaller Commission could work more effectively. The Council could make more decisions by qualified majority and had to improve its work, for instance by way of permanent chairs.

•Transferring additional tasks to the European level would require greater democratic legitimacy. To this end, for instance, the visibility of the European Parliament, had to be enhanced. Furthermore, the national parliaments had to be included more effectively in the EU’s work.

•Europe would have to prepare itself better in the face of the global competition for growth, ideas and models of society, for example by strengthening the European External Action Service and the Common Foreign and Security Policy.

The Foreign Ministers regard their proposals as a “personal contribution” to the debate on Europe’s future. The Future of Europe Group was established as an informal and open dialogue forum for the Foreign Ministers.

Alongside Foreign Minister Westerwelle, the Foreign Ministers of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Spain take part. France’s Foreign Minister was represented by a personal envoy. The Group has met three times since March 2012.


http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Eu...html?nn=479786

[Shonsu]

Very interesting.