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I cant figure out how to get video to post here so I had to leave link. Listen to Kirk talk about our founders and his movie especially at the 3:39 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOki8...030B61944248B8
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Romans 16:17-18
King James Version (KJV)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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(I'm not speaking to anybody in particular in this thread. I'm just pointing out some of my opinions on some things that have been said on the thread. I do not want to personally attack any of my brothers and sisters in Christ)
Daniel 12:13, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
I have virtually no doubt that Kirk Cameron is saved. But he is saying things in a public forum that are open to be scrutinized. I'm sure he's turned many to Christ and will receive crown upon crown for the souls he has helped to lead to the Lord. However, those who watch for the Lord also will receive a crown. We don't all have to be out doing the same thing. He has touched on a subject that is often misunderstood by the secular and church world. People should speak up and clarify our position lest others lump us all into the same catagory.
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Here I go being dumb again, but I watched the video and didn't really understand what it was that you wanted us to see.Originally Posted by HumbleBerean
when these things BEGIN
Two of the best things I have read in this thread:
"he's probably not Dispensational and therefore is not looking for a pre-Trib Rapture."
and
Quote Originally Posted by OnceWasLost: "Bad eschatology breeds bad doctrine."
Both comments are true to my experience seeing Kirk in action here. Mr Cameron was in town Rock Island Illinois this Sunday doing a "how too" marriage seminar at the local Willow Creek Association church that pours out loads of bad doctrine to "seekers" every week.
It was all about the "Big Show' and watering down the Gospel so it didn't offend the "unchurched" seeker sensitives tastes of unsaved people in attendance.
Colossians 1 :16 "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things and in Him all things hold together",
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Something tells me our current "Leader" isn't going to like this movie.
Come Lord Jesus and bring us home soon!
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast."
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
I may not be perfect, but Jesus thinks I'm to die for!
I found this nice gem of what Kirk Cameron unconsciously did.
It's fresh from the first video linked on the first page.
Look for yourself:
The satanic horns with his hands, just for a short time.
Together with the darkened right half of his face, i believe that there might be more to this Monumental movie than is presented on the surface.
And yes, i do believe Kirk is moving towards dominionism and also towards prepping and maybe leading in into a second US civil war, just like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and many conservative voices and conspiracy nuts unknowingly or purposefully push towards.
While i do believe that this is orchestrated by the very forces the conspiracy nuts want to combat, the solution is simple: Pray for your country and spread the gospel.
That's the solution satan and thus all who swear allegiance to him or people who serve him actually fear.
I want everyone to think long and hard about this...someone has already mentioned this monument as being from masons. And the Statue of Liberty is also from masons. Question EVERYTHING. Although it is nice for some of you to defend Cameron, realize what time it is and the world we live in. Most EVERYTHING in the media is for people being manipulated. From TV shows to movies. I too noticed this part of the clip with the satanic horns. You know how hard it is to make this with your hand, nevermind two hands? I can hardly do it. And when I saw the pillow of the skull and bones on the couch on the Beck set...come on people--WHY is it there? Simply put, we are the salt of the earth. We are to occupy until He comes. That's a given. We are all just ordinary people and the world is run by very powerful money people and other elites. We as common people only have so much power. We can only do the best that we can as christians. We are not to follow after ANY man--we are to be lead by the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. Because I know Jesus as my personal savior, I do not really need to listen to either Glen Beck or Kirk Cameron. I know what the scriptures say and what Jesus says. I too have children and want to become a grandmother some day and hold my grandchildren and know them. We are not promised tomorrow and we are not promised a rose garden. This life we live in the states is not typical or normal. Most of us have a full stomach every night before we go to bed. Even the son of man had no place to lay his head. While I understand Kirk Cameron's reasoning behind not giving up and allowing oneself to go over a cliff....he has to acknowledge that there is more going on that just the way our country is economically....there is stuff that we are seeing on TV and the movies that shows us that Satan's Kingdom is on earth and there are some things we are seeing that are not even being hidden anymore. Evil, occult, Satan-worshipping things. As another poster expressed--Kirk is naive if he thinks we can just turn the whole thing around. Well, I actually agree. Those words just tumbled out of my mouth as well. We simply do not know when the Lord comes so we are to do the best that we can and not get so bent out of shape because the Lord himself said we would be able to know the season and see the signs. Also, we are not to love the world. Who really knows if our children will ever have children and be able to raise a family like I did or Kirk did? It's not looking too good at this point. We know the Beast Kingdom--what it is, what it represents and what it does. If Kirk is able (with his high visability) to change all the draconian policies that we have seen in the past 10-12 years...then good. All I know is the Tea Party has tried to get the ball rolling and seems to be ineffective. I'd like to know if he has any kind of plan, other than whine and lament about a monument that no one knows about and such. Our founding fathers are dead. They've been dead and they will continue to be dead. This is here and now. This is 2012. If Kirk is just finally realizing how the noose is being put around our necks concerning our freedoms and way of life....it's a little too late. He should talk about the Georgia Guildstones....does he even know what those are? As a christian, I have every right to question any thing and any person shown on our mainstream media or on the internet. Time will tell as to what the agenda is--but seeing the skull and bones pillow (in red no less) will only set off bells and whistles to people who are awake and know that things aren't always what they seem. That is the LEAST christian symbol EVER. There is no denying it. The media is manipulating people BIG TIME. Don't be drawn in. I get Kirk's point--I for one thought that after 911 happened that we were so close to Christ's return. Here we are another 11 years later but we are seeing more or the pieces of the puzzle move into place. And I "get" that we could be another 10-20 years out so we should not allow ourselves to go off the cliff and just give up. I get that. But the Lord also said it will be a time when ye think not. Continue to read your Bibles, pray and talk to Jesus...and keep on keeping on. DON'T put your focus on our founding fathers. They are long gone. Most were masons. Don't be drawn into that. Don't put them on a pedestal....they were just men and far from perfect. FAR from perfect.
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This is the second straw man you have erected. Do not place words in people's mouth, it is not helpful, nor does it contribute in any way to the thread. If there are specific statements made by another member, address them directly and please get rid of the broad brush.
There is One King, and He is not this guy.
Jesus Saves
Kirk says "As for me and my family,we are going this way" and holds up the monument. Joshua 24:15 says "as for me and my family, we will serve the Lord". Interesting he would use those words. The middle part of the verse says "choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell" well, the monument he is pointing to was made in 1859 by the Masons who worship a different god. Many(not all) of our founders(not the pilgrims), who Kirk is pointing to in his movie, were Masons and deists, among other things, and worshipped a different god.
Romans 16:17-18
King James Version (KJV)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Yeah, I didn't like that comment either--the being happy all this bad stuff is happening. For most true believers, it feels like we are wallowing in a sewer down here. It is not pleasant. And we certainly don't know how long it will go on. We certainly CAN go through tribulations. It's not "fun" to watch somebody's house on national TV completely destroyed by a tornado--so bad it's like a bomb went off. I did not like the comment.
I agree, excellent comment by HIE.Wow, HIE, as always - Excellent!
Brannon Howse: Aired February 27, 2012
Does Kirk Cameron’s Monumental Movie Have Some Monumental Problems?
One major reason would be that historical documents report that the monument had its cornerstone laid by Freemasons who were involved in part in funding and erecting this monument.
The historical record also reveals that the cornerstone includes the name of the Grand Master of the Lodge of Freemasons of Massachusetts and his title on a plaque on the cornerstone.
The historical record also reports that members of the Pilgrim Society that assisted in establishing and paying for the monument and its members included freemasons and funding from freemasonry lodges.
http://worldviewweekend.com/worldvie...pisodeid=20723[/QUOTE]
WHOA!!! This just confirms that something smells WRONG!!
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That is tinfoil hat! I think the skull pillow it just to look cool and now...really....the skull stuff is in...not that I like it...ok I do...hahahaha..I have a skull nightlight! To be funny.
I think it's just decoration to cool and hip....nothing more.
Christians, I cannot stress this strong enough--if there is anyone who is trying to glorify the founding fathers and who want you to pay attention to the masons or put the emphasis on MASONS...especially a monument constructed by masons...warning bells and whistles should be going off. Think about it--the movie "National Treasure"...so many things are made to make you more aware of the masons...the History Channel, movies...why exactly is that? THAT is NOT where our focus should be. Keep examining and keep questioning. It is our right to do so. And--time will tell where this is all heading. Also keep in mind that nothing is ever left to chance in movies or tv. Glenn Beck and his red skull and bones pillow--NOT an accident. I personally don't watch or listen to Glenn Beck. Don't need to. I knew all this stuff over 30 years ago.
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I didn't place words in anybody's mouth. People said Kirk Cameron was "he's probably not Dispensational and therefore is not looking for a pre-Trib Rapture."
That is a pretty specific comment......
No way. Skull and bones is not cool or hip. It means death. It is a freemason symbol. It is of the world. It is not of our Lord. Do you think Jesus has skull and bones pillows up in heaven? I doubt it. You should get rid of that skull night light. A skull means death. Why do you think the skull stuff is "in", fellow christian? I saw when the trend came in a couple of years ago. You think it's "in" because the world says it's in and you can buy it at Target? If it's done in pink that it is then cute? It's called "conditioning".
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You have been told that if you cannot follow the thoughts in this thread, it's not for you.
The statement you quoted shows starkly that you are having trouble with reading comprehension, understanding terms used and not asking about them, and making wild leaps and judgmental statements about the members here.
What I said was entirely factual and without any judgment on his character. It is true that most Covenantals are, by definition, not Dispensational. If one is not Dispy, by definition, one is not looking for a pre-Trib Rapture.
I did not say he was unsaved or ignorant or silly.
**Warning is given now to not post in this thread again.**
"...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b
Jesus + something = nothing
Jesus + nothing = Everything
The warm and fuzzy Mod
But you made the point people were questioning salvation, and.... And Remember just because you believe pretrib...there are christians that don't.....but does that mean they are not going to heaven? Does that make you more holy? Of course not. Remember that none of us, NOT even Jesus knows the hour.
Straw man one and straw man two.
There is One King, and He is not this guy.
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"Here lies our hope. Faith in the humanist’s idealized man is dying. People are seeing through the “New Deal,’ the “Great Society,” and “the bridge to the twenty-first century.” They know America’s greatness taps into a much greater source than political slogans. Millions of parents and students are rediscovering the covenants of our forebears. They are learning the truths about God’s world and His rules for living in it. As parents train a generation in the unchanging Biblical principles of life, these young leaders of the future can rise up and offer real hope to restore the “holy cause of liberty.”
Building upon our inheritance, which requires knowing our true history, we can be a “city upon a hill” for the twenty-first century, becoming an example to other nations, rather than a reproach."
http://www.worldhistoryinstitute.com...-role-history/
The above is his (Dr. Foster's) closing paragraph. I have no idea where he gets this stuff. Nothing I have read or seen gives me any indication that people are waking up and rediscovering their Christian heritage.
The Bible says in the last days evil will wax worse and worse, men deceiving and being deceived. They will be lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, heady, high minded, turned onto fantacy, grown cold in their love. Traitors, eating and drinking with the drunken.
Now that is what I'm seeing.
This guy sounds like a deminionist. At the least, his views align with theirs.
.....for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:10)
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That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9,10)
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There is One King, and He is not this guy.
letting it go
No one is questioning Kirk Cameron's salvation.
No one has said or even implied that Kirk Cameron will not go to heaven.
This seems to always happen in apostasy threads with famous teachers/preachers. Because a false doctrine is called out on someone many people love, everyone must be damning that person to hell.
It clearly says in the sticky titled Read Before Posting in Apostasy :
These threads are not meant to judge anyone's salvation, as only the Lord should do that, but
we are watchmen and should alert folks when teachers start roaming along dangerous paths.
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
For the LORD God is a sun and shield; the LORD bestows favor and honor;
no good thing does He withhold from those whose walk is blameless.
Psalm 84:10-11
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