Kirk Cameron's "Monumental"

[iSong6:3]

Always remember:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Don't ever listen to anyone who tells you that the Word of God does not have sufficient power to help us, to cause us to live a life that is pleasing to our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ:

If they preach anything different they are preaching another Gospel:

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:5)

Jesus healed an impotent man:

Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. (John 5:14)

A born again Christian has Holy Ghost power inside themselves to overcome the flesh, the world and the devil. We do not practice sin, yet, when we do sin:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)



Jumpmaster

What is the point you're attempting to make in this thread? Be clear, please.

[TheKingsDaughter]

Kirk Cameron is using his "fame" for the good of God I believe, and I just wanted to mention this, because there is alot more celebrities using it for evil, we need more of Kirks in the world, no matter if you like him or don't, his message is a good one..do you all agree?

[iSong6:3]

Kirk Cameron is using his "fame" for the good of God I believe, and I just wanted to mention this, because there is alot more celebrities using it for evil, we need more of Kirks in the world, no matter if you like him or don't, his message is a good one..do you all agree?

That's the point of this thread (and not if we *like* him or not.)

Many of us think his message in this film is not a good one.

If you want to know why, read the thread.

[LightOfMyLife]

Many of the people who are involved in the Constitution were Masons. Our 1st President George Washington was a mason, and other Presidents were also. I was when I found out Harry Truman was a mason because I read he was a Christian. The Bible says choose you this day who you will serve. It is hard for me to believe that a true Christian(meaning they are not pretenders) can not know masons is darkness teaching a works program. Harry Truman was in charge of the masonic lodge he was in. He was called Worshipful Master. Anyone that reads their Bible knows that no one is to be called Master. We are to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, and if someone is saved they have the Holy Spirit living inside to give them discernment. I do not agree with a movie that is promoting pagan masonic themes. I am adding a link on Masons with names of those who were. http://watch.pair.com/mason.html

[BarbT]

I've heard Kirk Cameron in the pulpit and always "thought" he was going the right direction in his faith. But after watching that very strange interview with Piers, it looks like he's off track.

IMO in this late hour Christians should refrain from casting their pearls on secular programs any longer. The result is always the same .... the unbelieving host has the upper hand and will control the conversation to his advantage. How many times did we see Larry King slice a believer to ribbons with his hateful comments masquerading as "thoughtful questions"? These people do not want to hear the truth and are well prepared to harm the cause of Christ before millions.

Have any of you tried witnessing on a secular message board these days? The level of hatred is astounding. Kirk trying to reason with someone on CNN is no different. His stumbling could happen to any one of us.

[countryboy]

I don't know anything about this movie nor saw any of the interviews, but I do believe Kirk Cameron is the real deal for Christianity. He seems to have the fruit.

[countryboy]

By the way, he has an autobiography out called "Still Growing".

http://www.kirkcameron.com/#/new-pro...-still-growing

http://www.amazon.com/Still-Growing-...0930009&sr=1-1

[iSong6:3]

I don't know anything about this movie nor saw any of the interviews, but I do believe Kirk Cameron is the real deal for Christianity. He seems to have the fruit.

It might interest you to read the thread then, about the movie and his interviews.

[HeIsEnough]

Kirk Cameron is using his "fame" for the good of God I believe, and I just wanted to mention this, because there is alot more celebrities using it for evil, we need more of Kirks in the world, no matter if you like him or don't, his message is a good one..do you all agree?

Its not a question of "liking" anybody.

People need to realize this forum holds men accountable to what they are teaching. You can't hold people to account for what they teach without holding them to account for what they teach. If we all just say 'boy, I really like that guy, I shouldn't say anything about him', we'd all be in trouble. The Apostle Paul upbraided the Apostle Peter over his actions, his actions stemmed from his failing to live out his doctrine.

This sort of thing must be done or we would be overrun by false teaching. Kirk is aligning himself with a movement that is not focused on the gospel to bring salvation, its a serious judgement error on his part. The battle is not against flesh and blood, bringing America back to some kind of "christian" utopia, its a spiritual battle that only the gospel can fix. The gospel is the only message we have. It seems men tire of its simplicity, they move on to other things. Ministries are out there to try to steer men back to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Do you agree?

[Any Minute]

IMO in this late hour Christians should refrain from casting their pearls on secular programs any longer. The result is always the same .... the unbelieving host has the upper hand and will control the conversation to his advantage. How many times did we see Larry King slice a believer to ribbons with his hateful comments masquerading as "thoughtful questions"? These people do not want to hear the truth and are well prepared to harm the cause of Christ before millions.

Have any of you tried witnessing on a secular message board these days? The level of hatred is astounding. Kirk trying to reason with someone on CNN is no different. His stumbling could happen to any one of us.

I haven't seen many interviews on secular t.v. where the intention wasn't to mock God or Christians. Much of Christian television isn't much different.

Its not a question of "liking" anybody.

People need to realize this forum holds men accountable to what they are teaching. You can't hold people to account for what they teach without holding them to account for what they teach. If we all just say 'boy, I really like that guy, I shouldn't say anything about him', we'd all be in trouble. The Apostle Paul upbraided the Apostle Peter over his actions, his actions stemmed from his failing to live out his doctrine.

This sort of thing must be done or we would be overrun by false teaching. Kirk is aligning himself with a movement that is not focused on the gospel to bring salvation, its a serious judgement error on his part. The battle is not against flesh and blood, bringing America back to some kind of "christian" utopia, its a spiritual battle that only the gospel can fix. The gospel is the only message we have. It seems men tire of its simplicity, they move on to other things. Ministries are out there to try to steer men back to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Do you agree?

1 Corinthians 2:2 always comes to my mind when men try to distract us with other things outside the gospel. Focusing on all about us doing instead of what Jesus did, the only power to save.

When I read these things I always wonder, restore America for what purpose and for how long?
One's eschatology and overall theology plays a big factor in how they view the times we live in. Still looking for an interview or clear statement from Kirk on what he believes about the end times and the imminent return of Christ.

[Peace777]

Never mind. I see that Tarvan already posted it

[BusyMommy]

Like legalists do, he is focusing on acts and omitted the verse before this, Matthew 7:21:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

What is “the will of the Father”? The answer is found in John 6:28-29:

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

That starkly simple answer still unclear to anyone? He repeats this in John 6:40...

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The people Comfort mentioned, while they called Him Lord and did *good things*, did not have a living faith in Jesus Christ. So they were not saved.

Notice the Lord does not say, Yes, you did some good things but you also sinned, so get outta here. No, His statement to them in Matthew 7:23 is that I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [unbelief, the thing they were missing is belief in Jesus, see the above.]

That's the issue, not sin, but that there was no personal relationship by grace through faith in Jesus's atonement for sin.

Very dangerous to preach Lordship Salvation and to put fear in God's people, saying that saved people can tell a few white lies or struggle with lust and will go to Hell for that.

Paul struggled with his own sin nature. So do we.

When does Jesus's blood no longer cover His own in the Bride? At what point does He wipe the Blood off so that someone who was saved is no longer covered/saved?

(Answer: Never.)

Thank you and Double Amen! :-) ISong, thanks for posting the bible verses and clarifying them.

It is so easy to doubt your salvation and get sucked into a "works based" salvation. That said, Ray Comfort's book--How to Bring Your Children to Christ" was a life-changer for me--I know the MOST important thing for me is, with the Holy Spirit's guidance, is to do everything I can to guide my children's path in Christ (Christian school etc.).

[HumbleBerean]

I haven't seen many interviews on secular t.v. where the intention wasn't to mock God or Christians. Much of Christian television isn't much different.





1 Corinthians 2:2 always comes to my mind when men try to distract us with other things outside the gospel. Focusing on all about us doing instead of what Jesus did, the only power to save.

When I read these things I always wonder, restore America for what purpose and for how long?
One's eschatology and overall theology plays a big factor in how they view the times we live in. Still looking for an interview or clear statement from Kirk on what he believes about the end times and the imminent return of Christ.

He says some headscratchers throughout but gets really interesting at about the 40 minute mark. Doesnt specifically state but alludes to a post-mil/amil/post trib type position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2eCqvKZe4

[Sandra17012]

He says some headscratchers throughout but gets really interesting at about the 40 minute mark. Doesnt specifically state but alludes to a post-mil/amil/post trib type position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2eCqvKZe4

These are some things Kirk said on this video:

He said the Gospel is going to continue to grow until the whole world is filled with the knowledge of God like the seas......
The Apostles conquered nations for Christ and made them happy......
All people will one day worship Jesus Christ as King and he delivers it up to His Father as a love gift.

This is not the doctrine I believe, this does sound like some form of post-mil belief. I am not sure what Kirk believes any more, confusing.
There are a lot of very odd statements in the video.

[Any Minute]

He says some headscratchers throughout but gets really interesting at about the 40 minute mark. Doesnt specifically state but alludes to a post-mil/amil/post trib type position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2eCqvKZe4

Thanks for posting, I did get through the entire hour. I still don't know what eschatological position he holds to but it does sound Amill or some other type of we're building the kingdom until it's all full type of doctrine. I don't understand why he seems to dance around the issue and be clear on what he believes the Word is saying.

These are some things Kirk said on this video:



This is not the doctrine I believe, this does sound like some form of post-mil belief. I am not sure what Kirk believes any more, confusing.
There are a lot of very odd statements in the video.

I agree, there were some really odd statements, some of which you mentioned.
I found the 1 Corinthians passage he chose to read interesting, although I had to find the exact verse because he didn't mention it. The child prince thing threw me at first, had to listen to that a few times to kind of undestand what he was saying.

He could have easily taken a moment to explain what the bible clearly teaches about a dispensational, pre-trib rapture view especially since he chose to read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Why not take a few seconds and go to 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 since he already spoke (correctly) how believers shouldn't fear death?

Overall I believe he has a heart and passion for Jesus and the Gospel, and it shows when he speaks. For that I give him a .

IF that's the overall tone of the new movie then great. If it's a restore America so Jesus can return type of thing, then from me.

[big wave]

{Mod Snip} No Johnny Mac sermons please - Rule 14 {Mod Snip}

[angelka71]

I wasn't really sure where to put this but I thought you guys may be interested to see a clip from the interview that is causing the HUGE stir within the gay community and therefore the liberal /secular community as well. I am so proud of the stand that Kirk Cameron has made for Christ. God will bless him beyond measure!


http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/201...y-destructive/


In the title it says it's a blog but it takes you to a page where you can watch the video. I'm sure there's a way to imbed it but I am so computer illiterate it's sad.

[angelka71]

Oh, my. SO sorry mods. Please remove my previous post and link to the Kirk Cameron interview with Piers Morgan. I didn't realize Kirk Cameron was one of the "bad guys." I had just been hearing and reading about how he was being drug through the mud bc of the stand he took against gay marriage and abortion. My bad. I thought the video was something we would all enjoy seeing...but I hadn't read anything in this thread before so I didn't realize of the opinion everyone here has of him.

Again. So sorry. Please remove.

[OnceWasLost]

Oh, my. SO sorry mods. Please remove my previous post and link to the Kirk Cameron interview with Piers Morgan. I didn't realize Kirk Cameron was one of the "bad guys." I had just been hearing and reading about how he was being drug through the mud bc of the stand he took against gay marriage and abortion. My bad. I thought the video was something we would all enjoy seeing...but I hadn't read anything in this thread before so I didn't realize of the opinion everyone here has of him.

Again. So sorry. Please remove.

It can stand Angelica, Kirk isn't a bad guy, he is however influenced and potentially susceptible to some things going forward. His project could easily be used to advance things he never intended, we will see.

[kssunflowers]

That is tinfoil hat! I think the skull pillow it just to look cool and now...really....the skull stuff is in...not that I like it...ok I do...hahahaha..I have a skull nightlight! To be funny.

I think it's just decoration to cool and hip....nothing more.

I have read the entire thread. Whew!

Want to clarify the Beck skull thing. It is a design from his 1791 clothing line. The skull always has a crown (England) and the design stands for "Death to tyranny" 1791 is when the Bill of Rights was added to the constitution.

The thread has totally opened my eyes to "Americanism". I never thought of it as an idol! Scales falling out of eyes here..