Kirk Cameron's "Monumental"

[iSong6:3]

Funny, if Cameron is a classic Calvinist non dispie, then he like his eschatologically challenged brethren look forward to a Kingdom of their own making. Here is why it's funny, the Calvinists I have encountered are so prideful in there grasp of Soteriology that those who dare disagree with them are unlearned, simplistic rubes. Yet, these are the are the same ones who can't figure out The Bible clearly teaches a Pre Trib position.

Quite the dilemma, eh?

Notice I did use if, so as not to open the door to flame.

Good luck with that.

[Steve53]

I was troubled also with their insisting that we can turn the world around, that there's a *great awakening* ahead. That if we just go back to the thoughts of our ancestors, we can turn back the prophetic clock, the end of history as we know it is not how the Bible said it would be - in fact, we're wrong for thinking in terms of an *end* at all.

Someone is not doing as Jesus commanded and recognizing the signs of the times

Here's the web site of that Marshall guy who was with Cameron, whose brainchild this is. This tells us all we need to know: http://www.worldhistoryinstitute.com/about/

Together, following God’s wisdom, we can build a more prosperous and free world for coming generations.
http://www.worldhistoryinstitute.com/about/

They are oblivious to the lateness of the hour.

[Jacinth]

Notice I did use if, so as not to open the door to flame.

Though it is sad, I'm glad that now I can pinpoint something that says as to why I've never been able to straight out "endorse" Kirk Cameron as someone to listen to.

These things need to come to light. Well, I am only assuming Ray Comfort thinks this way too?

What of the whole Left Behind series? Why would he participate in something he thinks is possibly harmful to believe?

[Bondservant]

Though it is sad, I'm glad that now I can pinpoint something to says as to why I've never been able to straight out "endorse" Kirk Cameron as someone to listen to.

These things need to be come to light. Well, I am only assuming Ray Comfort thinks this way too?

What of the whole Left Behind series? Why would he participate in something he thinks is possibly harmful to believe?

I was thinking about him during his "Left Behind" days as well. I understand that he is a calvinist now, but did he hold those beliefs while he was making those movies?

[Steve53]

What of the whole Left Behind series? Why would he participate in something he thinks is possibly harmful to believe?

To feed his six kids - his "skin in the game".

[billiefan2000]

WORLDVIEW WEEKEND RADIO WITH BRANNON HOWSE



http://worldviewweekend.com/worldvie...pisodeid=20723


Brannon Howse: Aired February 27, 2012
Does Kirk Cameron’s Monumental Movie Have Some Monumental Problems?


Brannon’s guests include Chris Pinto and Ed Decker.


On March 27, 2012 the movie Monumental is to be released in theatres throughout America. While we believe those involved in this project are very sincere in their endeavor, we believe there are reasons to be concerned about this film project.


Aside from the “let’s get back to our founding fathers” message that we find objectionable because many of America’s founding fathers were hostile to the gospel,


the movie Monumental appears to use as one of its major props The National Monument to the Forefathers, formerly known as the Pilgrim Monument.

The monument is a major part of the artwork and publicity of the film including in the movie trailer.

It is our belief based on hours of research that the Monument to the Forefathers is not a Biblically acceptable rallying point or symbol for Christians or Christian families or the way we should go for several reasons.


One major reason would be that historical documents report that the monument had its cornerstone laid by Freemasons who were involved in part in funding and erecting this monument.


The historical record also reveals that the cornerstone includes the name of the Grand Master of the Lodge of Freemasons of Massachusetts and his title on a plaque on the cornerstone.


The historical record also reports that members of the Pilgrim Society that assisted in establishing and paying for the monument and its members included freemasons and funding from freemasonry lodges.

2 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 16:17, 2 John 9-11, forbid Christians from being bound together with unbelievers in a common enterprise.


These verses further reveal they can be no agreement between the temple of God [Christians are the temple of God] and idols.



These verses make it clear that the church, [and Christians are what make up the church] are not to take the practices, methods, symbols,

and enterprises of the unsaved world and incorporate them into our worship and service to God or our attempts to restore liberty and freedom.


http://worldviewweekend.com/worldvie...pisodeid=20723

[OnceWasLost]

Though it is sad, I'm glad that now I can pinpoint something to says as to why I've never been able to straight out "endorse" Kirk Cameron as someone to listen to.

These things need to be come to light. Well, I am only assuming Ray Comfort thinks this way too?

What of the whole Left Behind series? Why would he participate in something he thinks is possibly harmful to believe?

$$$$ and at the time an unsettled eschatology?

It was years ago before his association with people who may have helped shape his current (potential) view.

[iSong6:3]

Though it is sad, I'm glad that now I can pinpoint something that says as to why I've never been able to straight out "endorse" Kirk Cameron as someone to listen to.

These things need to come to light....

There's your discernment again, sis!

[HumbleBerean]

We keep saying to each other that prophecy is a secondary issue. Yet we can see it instantly becomes primary when certain actions are taken because of prophetic beliefs. Domionists would have us running around like chickens, polishing up this excrement, otherwise known as the world. For someone such as this man, known for evangelism, he should already know what his role is, preach the gospel, pull them out of this world. Instead, whether his goal changed or not, whether he would verbally tell you his goal changed or not, his actions are what I will go by. They indicate no understanding of prophecy, he will just go about what seems right to him. All because of poor doctrine. Don't ever let anyone tell you doctrine is not important, it undergirds your actions, fuels your duties.

Excellent points.

[OnceWasLost]

Excellent points.

Bad eschatology breeds bad doctrine.

[billiefan2000]

Bad eschatology breeds bad doctrine.

u are so right

[Patreesha]

With all do respect, that was a very small part of the movie and it was taken out of context. There is a website for this show, and more videos of him speaking recently at some churches right after the trailer. Please, .....be sure of what you are saying about a brother in Christ before making these accusations. It hurts me personally, when brothers and sisters in Christ make negative assumptions about another brother or sister without having all the facts.

Thank you for saying that. You don't need to be questioning everyone's salvation -- that's up to the Lord to judge. And we certainly don't need to be calling people "silly," "misguided," "ignorant" etc. I understand that you want to keep heresy off the board and I appreciate that, but there should be room for conversation.

Kirk Cameron teaches the gospel with all his might and is definitely saved -- our brother. Ease up people.

[HumbleBerean]

Thank you for saying that. You don't need to be questioning everyone's salvation -- that's up to the Lord to judge. And we certainly don't need to be calling people "silly," "misguided," "ignorant" etc. I understand that you want to keep heresy off the board and I appreciate that, but there should be room for conversation.

Kirk Cameron teaches the gospel with all his might and is definitely saved -- our brother. Ease up people.

Can you please point us to the post where someone claimed Kirk Cameron was not saved?

[OnceWasLost]

Thank you for saying that. You don't need to be questioning everyone's salvation -- that's up to the Lord to judge. And we certainly don't need to be calling people "silly," "misguided," "ignorant" etc. I understand that you want to keep heresy off the board and I appreciate that, but there should be room for conversation.

Kirk Cameron teaches the gospel with all his might and is definitely saved -- our brother. Ease up people.

Questioning salvation? where?

[HumbleBerean]

Questioning salvation? where?

Or "silly", "misguided", "ignorant" ? Maybe I missed it.

[OnceWasLost]

Or "silly", "misguided", "ignorant" ? Maybe I missed it.

We'll see?

[dp2008]

I watched the Glen Beck segment and I felt it was very uncomfortable to watch. Glen seemed a little ill at ease too, but Kirk C especially.

[1forChrist]

That is how the trailer came across to me. I think people should see it before condemning it for what "might" be in it.

I am surprised though, I have not seen Kirk Cameron do bad stuff or do unscriptural teachings, so I am not sure what the automatic assumption of this is bad and apostasy is about.

I have never seen him do bad stuff either........people are reaching....

I think he went on Glenn Beck, just like he would any other show...to promote the movie. Goodness people. Doesn't mean he is turning Mormon!

Jesus sat with the sinners.....remember that.....you can't sit comfortable in your church or home......You have to get out among the unsaved, unchurched, cults.....that means Mormons, Catholics, Muslims.....

And Yes I am doing that! Going overseas...inner cities....my health has taken a decline, but I still do what I can in my city.
It is hard to work up the courage like Kirk Cameron to get on national TV about your faith and want to build your country up....

And Remember just because you believe pretrib...there are christians that don't.....but does that mean they are not going to heaven? Does that make you more holy? Of course not. Remember that none of us, NOT even Jesus knows the hour. So do not be pretentious. Be humble as Jesus would want us to be. Be sensitive to those and chose your words wisely and out of love. Do not put fellow Christians down because you THINK you know this or that about them. I say that out of love.

Peace out.

[Praying]

I have never seen him do bad stuff either........people are reaching....

I think he went on Glenn Beck, just like he would any other show...to promote the movie. Goodness people. Doesn't mean he is turning Mormon!

Jesus sat with the sinners.....remember that.....you can't sit comfortable in your church or home......You have to get out among the unsaved, unchurched, cults.....that means Mormons, Catholics, Muslims.....

And Yes I am doing that! Going overseas...inner cities....my health has taken a decline, but I still do what I can in my city.
It is hard to work up the courage like Kirk Cameron to get on national TV about your faith and want to build your country up....

And Remember just because you believe pretrib...there are christians that don't.....but does that mean they are not going to heaven? Does that make you more holy? Of course not. Remember that none of us, NOT even Jesus knows the hour. So do not be pretentious. Be humble as Jesus would want us to be. Be sensitive to those and chose your words wisely and out of love. Do not put fellow Christians down because you THINK you know this or that about them. I say that out of love.

Peace out.

I agree.

[HeIsEnough]

I have never seen him do bad stuff either........people are reaching....I think he went on Glenn Beck, just like he would any other show...to promote the movie. Goodness people. Doesn't mean he is turning Mormon!Jesus sat with the sinners.....remember that.....you can't sit comfortable in your church or home......You have to get out among the unsaved, unchurched, cults.....that means Mormons, Catholics, Muslims.....And Yes I am doing that! Going overseas...inner cities....my health has taken a decline, but I still do what I can in my city.It is hard to work up the courage like Kirk Cameron to get on national TV about your faith and want to build your country up....And Remember just because you believe pretrib...there are christians that don't.....but does that mean they are not going to heaven? Does that make you more holy? Of course not. Remember that none of us, NOT even Jesus knows the hour. So do not be pretentious. Be humble as Jesus would want us to be. Be sensitive to those and chose your words wisely and out of love. Do not put fellow Christians down because you THINK you know this or that about them. I say that out of love.Peace out.

It doesn't appear you understand whats being said in this thread.