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    Mankind is a mystery to the angels. The Bible says that God has charged them with ministering to men on this earth in this life with the understanding that men will judge them in the world to come.

    One of the purposes for the creation of man, according to Scripture, was the instruction of angels.

    “Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; WHICH THINGS THE ANGELS DESIRE TO LOOK INTO." (1st Peter 1:12)


    The Prophet Isaiah introduces us to the first outbreak of sin in the universe when Lucifer, the most anointed of the angels, uttered the first of his five famous “I will’s”:

    “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:13)


    For his sin of arrogance, God pronounced judgment on Lucifer, the most honored of His angels, and those rebellious angels who followed him;

    “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." (Isaiah 14:12-15)


    I often wonder about the angels who joined Satan in his rebellion. Why? It isn't like they didn't know Who it was they were standing up to.

    What made them so crazy? Perhaps they felt God was being unjust in His dealing with Lucifer and in so doing, were also guilty of sin and cast out.

    Or maybe they joined with Lucifer at the moment that God unveiled His plan to create the human race and make the angels subject to their judgment. Maybe they were jealous.

    The Bible doesn’t say why specifically, but it is clear that a third of them broke away and joined him.

    It is worth considering that, while mankind is still a mystery to the righteous angels, the fallen angels understand mankind only too well. That’s because we have something in common with the fallen angels.

    Sin is the great equalizer. From the context of the Five ‘I Wills’ the bone of contention between Lucifer and God was over who was going to be in charge. Given what is revealed, mankind is likely the cause of the rebellion – Satan certainly hates us enough.

    In my mind’s eye, I picture it like a cosmic boardroom where God has just announced His plan to create a race of inferior beings that Lucifer would first serve and then submit to in judgment later.

    “Not me,” says Lucifer. “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the most High.”

    “Wrong,” says God. “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”

    Lucifer was the anointed angel. He was the most blessed, the most beautiful, the most entertaining, it is not much of a stretch to assume he was also the most popular.

    From there, one needn’t stretch much further to assume that even the angels that didn’t join the rebellion had questions about the severity of the punishment.

    The existence of humanity is often described by theologians as the 'trial of Satan'. Why a trial? Because God is just.

    Allow me to set the scene. The trial of Satan begins with the introduction of one little sin. It is more than just the trial of Satan. Sin itself is also on trial.

    Lucifer, “the anointed cherub that covereth” was highly favored of God; “and I have set thee so,” it says in Ezekiel 28:14.

    Isaiah 14:14 defines that first sin as, "I will" -- the sin of pride. The trial is to prove what 'one little sin' can do -- the classic 'slippery slope' scenario.

    The trial is really an examination of the epochs of human history from the perspective of the angels who did NOT join the rebellion, and who, by nature, have no understanding of what sin really is or how it really works.

    Exhibit 1: Adam and Eve. They are placed in a perfect environment and given only one command -- to avoid the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. They fail -- and man inherits a sin nature.

    Exhibit 2: Man is allowed free reign until the Flood -- the so-called "Age of Conscience". Without Divine interaction or instruction, society becomes so sinful and corrupt that God saves Noah and his family alive and destroys the rest in the Flood.

    Exhibit 3: During the Age of the Patriarchs, God spoke directly to chosen individuals; Abraham, Noah, Lot, etc. Each, even having spoken directly with God, commit some heinous sin.

    Having gone from one commandment (the Age of Innocence) to no commandments at all (the Age of Conscience) to direct confrontation,(the Age of the Patriarchs) God progresses to giving mankind the Ten Commandments (the Age of the Law).

    Not one person ever kept all ten of them throughout his lifetime, no matter what the circumstances. (David, for example, broke all ten of them.)

    Exhibit 4: The Age of the Law, during which time the Commandments of God became so corrupted and perverted that it became necessary to scrap the whole system and replace it with the Age of Grace.

    Exhibit 5: To introduce the Age of Grace, God Himself stepped out of space and time, took on the form of sinful man, kept the Law on our behalf, and then paid the price for our sin. (Death)

    In so doing, He made a way for all mankind to be saved by faith through grace.

    But most of mankind rejects even the free offer of grace, preferring a life of unregenerate sin. That act of rejection, given the Price paid, must make the angelic witnesses gasp in disbelief.

    From the perspective of the angelic witness, then, 'one little sin' has thus far brought mankind to the point it is today. So far, God has given sin every opportunity to prove itself worthy of its wages

    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)


    Exhibit 6: The Tribulation Period. The Age of Grace concludes at the Rapture. The Rapture removes the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit, giving Satan (and sin) free reign for seven years. And the end result is the near-destruction of all human life.

    Jesus then returns at the 2nd Coming, binds Satan for a thousand years, and reigns Personally from Jerusalem.

    Mortal humanity has no excuse, He is right there, in Person, for all to see.

    Satan's influence is restrained, lifespans are extended, there are no more wars, famine or poverty, and humankind is returned to the Eden-like state from which it began.

    Exhibit 7: With God Himself on the Throne of human government, ruling with a rod of iron for a thousand years, Satan is loosed for 'a little season'.

    "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Revelation 20:7-8)


    The mortal humans who have lived in a state of God-given idyllic bliss for a thousand years, under the influence of Satan, raise an army to bring against the King of Kings and Lord of Lords Himself.

    "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Romans 2:12)


    The trial is over. Sin is judged according to its works. All appeals have been exhausted. Sentence is pronounced and carried out immediately.

    "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." (Revelation 20:10)


    This is the SECOND resurrection. Unlike the first resurrection, it has only one phase.

    "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

    "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:10-12,14)


    In the overall Plan of God, as outlined in Scripture, everything has a purpose. There are no omissions, no errors, and no inconsistencies.

    From Genesis to Revelation, a central theme of Scripture is that sin is the cause of death. Sin will ultimately be eradicated from existence. And so will all those who "received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2nd Thessalonians 2:12)

    The lake of fire was created and prepared for Satan and his angels. But since man's spirit is created in God's image, it is also eternal and immortal, in that it cannot be destroyed.

    So those that reject Christ and choose to follow Satan have to go somewhere.

    They will not cease to be, but they will cease to matter. They will spend eternity nameless and alone, tortured by the flames -- and the memory of the day they rejected the opportunity to avoid their fate.

    But nobody will be able to accuse God of being unfair. Case closed. http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/...israeli_-_wars
    "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


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    Quote Originally Posted by iSong6:3 View Post
    The Trial
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    Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor

    Mankind is a mystery to the angels. The Bible says that God has charged them with ministering to men on this earth in this life with the understanding that men will judge them in the world to come.

    One of the purposes for the creation of man, according to Scripture, was the instruction of angels.

    “Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; WHICH THINGS THE ANGELS DESIRE TO LOOK INTO." (1st Peter 1:12)


    The Prophet Isaiah introduces us to the first outbreak of sin in the universe when Lucifer, the most anointed of the angels, uttered the first of his five famous “I will’s”:

    “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:13)


    For his sin of arrogance, God pronounced judgment on Lucifer, the most honored of His angels, and those rebellious angels who followed him;

    “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." (Isaiah 14:12-15)


    I often wonder about the angels who joined Satan in his rebellion. Why? It isn't like they didn't know Who it was they were standing up to.

    What made them so crazy? Perhaps they felt God was being unjust in His dealing with Lucifer and in so doing, were also guilty of sin and cast out.

    Or maybe they joined with Lucifer at the moment that God unveiled His plan to create the human race and make the angels subject to their judgment. Maybe they were jealous.

    The Bible doesn’t say why specifically, but it is clear that a third of them broke away and joined him.

    It is worth considering that, while mankind is still a mystery to the righteous angels, the fallen angels understand mankind only too well. That’s because we have something in common with the fallen angels.

    Sin is the great equalizer. From the context of the Five ‘I Wills’ the bone of contention between Lucifer and God was over who was going to be in charge. Given what is revealed, mankind is likely the cause of the rebellion – Satan certainly hates us enough.

    In my mind’s eye, I picture it like a cosmic boardroom where God has just announced His plan to create a race of inferior beings that Lucifer would first serve and then submit to in judgment later.

    “Not me,” says Lucifer. “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the most High.”

    “Wrong,” says God. “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”

    Lucifer was the anointed angel. He was the most blessed, the most beautiful, the most entertaining, it is not much of a stretch to assume he was also the most popular.

    From there, one needn’t stretch much further to assume that even the angels that didn’t join the rebellion had questions about the severity of the punishment.

    The existence of humanity is often described by theologians as the 'trial of Satan'. Why a trial? Because God is just.

    Allow me to set the scene. The trial of Satan begins with the introduction of one little sin. It is more than just the trial of Satan. Sin itself is also on trial.

    Lucifer, “the anointed cherub that covereth” was highly favored of God; “and I have set thee so,” it says in Ezekiel 28:14.

    Isaiah 14:14 defines that first sin as, "I will" -- the sin of pride. The trial is to prove what 'one little sin' can do -- the classic 'slippery slope' scenario.

    The trial is really an examination of the epochs of human history from the perspective of the angels who did NOT join the rebellion, and who, by nature, have no understanding of what sin really is or how it really works.

    Exhibit 1: Adam and Eve. They are placed in a perfect environment and given only one command -- to avoid the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. They fail -- and man inherits a sin nature.

    Exhibit 2: Man is allowed free reign until the Flood -- the so-called "Age of Conscience". Without Divine interaction or instruction, society becomes so sinful and corrupt that God saves Noah and his family alive and destroys the rest in the Flood.

    Exhibit 3: During the Age of the Patriarchs, God spoke directly to chosen individuals; Abraham, Noah, Lot, etc. Each, even having spoken directly with God, commit some heinous sin.

    Having gone from one commandment (the Age of Innocence) to no commandments at all (the Age of Conscience) to direct confrontation,(the Age of the Patriarchs) God progresses to giving mankind the Ten Commandments (the Age of the Law).

    Not one person ever kept all ten of them throughout his lifetime, no matter what the circumstances. (David, for example, broke all ten of them.)

    Exhibit 4: The Age of the Law, during which time the Commandments of God became so corrupted and perverted that it became necessary to scrap the whole system and replace it with the Age of Grace.

    Exhibit 5: To introduce the Age of Grace, God Himself stepped out of space and time, took on the form of sinful man, kept the Law on our behalf, and then paid the price for our sin. (Death)

    In so doing, He made a way for all mankind to be saved by faith through grace.

    But most of mankind rejects even the free offer of grace, preferring a life of unregenerate sin. That act of rejection, given the Price paid, must make the angelic witnesses gasp in disbelief.

    From the perspective of the angelic witness, then, 'one little sin' has thus far brought mankind to the point it is today. So far, God has given sin every opportunity to prove itself worthy of its wages

    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)


    Exhibit 6: The Tribulation Period. The Age of Grace concludes at the Rapture. The Rapture removes the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit, giving Satan (and sin) free reign for seven years. And the end result is the near-destruction of all human life.

    Jesus then returns at the 2nd Coming, binds Satan for a thousand years, and reigns Personally from Jerusalem.

    Mortal humanity has no excuse, He is right there, in Person, for all to see.

    Satan's influence is restrained, lifespans are extended, there are no more wars, famine or poverty, and humankind is returned to the Eden-like state from which it began.

    Exhibit 7: With God Himself on the Throne of human government, ruling with a rod of iron for a thousand years, Satan is loosed for 'a little season'.

    "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Revelation 20:7-8)


    The mortal humans who have lived in a state of God-given idyllic bliss for a thousand years, under the influence of Satan, raise an army to bring against the King of Kings and Lord of Lords Himself.

    "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Romans 2:12)


    The trial is over. Sin is judged according to its works. All appeals have been exhausted. Sentence is pronounced and carried out immediately.

    "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." (Revelation 20:10)


    This is the SECOND resurrection. Unlike the first resurrection, it has only one phase.

    "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

    "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:10-12,14)


    In the overall Plan of God, as outlined in Scripture, everything has a purpose. There are no omissions, no errors, and no inconsistencies.

    From Genesis to Revelation, a central theme of Scripture is that sin is the cause of death. Sin will ultimately be eradicated from existence. And so will all those who "received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2nd Thessalonians 2:12)

    The lake of fire was created and prepared for Satan and his angels. But since man's spirit is created in God's image, it is also eternal and immortal, in that it cannot be destroyed.

    So those that reject Christ and choose to follow Satan have to go somewhere.

    They will not cease to be, but they will cease to matter. They will spend eternity nameless and alone, tortured by the flames -- and the memory of the day they rejected the opportunity to avoid their fate.

    But nobody will be able to accuse God of being unfair. Case closed. http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/...israeli_-_wars
    Thanks for sharing iSong6:3, I like the way this is put together. Satan never had it so good until pride entered in, and he wanted to be more powerful than God. His time is coming & the fallen angels as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightOfMyLife View Post
    Thanks for sharing iSong6:3, I like the way this is put together. Satan never had it so good until pride entered in, and he wanted to be more powerful than God. His time is coming & the fallen angels as well.


    Unrepentant people, too. And they have no excuse at all. There's nothing more God can do, He can't force people to accept salvation.
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    That was awesome, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtown View Post
    That was awesome, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iSong6:3 View Post


    Unrepentant people, too. And they have no excuse at all. There's nothing more God can do, He can't force people to accept salvation.
    This is where my thoughts went, too iSong. Yes, I rejoice for the final end of Satan,fallen angels & sin, but not for precious people who have rejected their only way of slavation .

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    Great Post! Thx.

    I have wondered this point for years.

    ...
    Or maybe they joined with Lucifer at the moment that God unveiled His plan to create the human race and make the angels subject to their judgment. Maybe they were jealous.
    ...
    I have wondered if Lucifer, when shown the Lord's plan, also uttered the phrase "Not so, Lord".
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    Thanks iSong6:3...Awesome read!
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    FANTASTIC, thank you for posting this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallB View Post
    Great Post! Thx.

    I have wondered this point for years.



    I have wondered if Lucifer, when shown the Lord's plan, also uttered the phrase "Not so, Lord".
    Sooo interesting and makes sense to me, too.

    I sometimes wondered if God made it so we would judge angels as a *punishment* for satan's fall and also to show that He could take what was made of dust and lower than the angels and even turn sinful like satan's realm - but through Jesus's redemption, we would be raised to a higher position than the angels.

    This scenario seems more plausible though, that lucifer balked at God's original plan, that sparked the sin of pride in him resulting in...all that happened.

    Sooo many things we will learn for sure when we see Him face to Face. We will fall on our faces at seeing the true majesty and utter perfection of His ways.
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    Wonderful post!! I had wondered about the 'judging angels' verse and thought that meant the fallen angels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iSong6:3 View Post
    Sooo interesting and makes sense to me, too.

    I sometimes wondered if God made it so we would judge angels as a *punishment* for satan's fall and also to show that He could take what was made of dust and lower than the angels and even turn sinful like satan's realm - but through Jesus's redemption, we would be raised to a higher position than the angels.

    This scenario seems more plausible though, that lucifer balked at God's original plan, that sparked the sin of pride in him resulting in...all that happened.

    Sooo many things we will learn for sure when we see Him face to Face. We will fall on our faces at seeing the true majesty and utter perfection of His ways.
    Wow...

    I really like your point about He can take dust and make judges over the angles. Of course the Lord foreknew therefore foreplanned Lucifer's fall and punishments. Makes great sense.

    The universe was a fantastic place after that 6th day and the chief created beings in it must have been really enjoying their place in it. Some of them started enjoying it too much and pride crept in.

    The Lord showed that He can take lowly dust and put that over them. Really, really humbling.

    Makes you glad that once we are in Heaven, we will be sinless so that He won't have to it all over again.

    Absolutely looking forward to learning from the Lord - Face to Face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallB View Post
    Wow...

    I really like your point about He can take dust and make judges over the angles. Of course the Lord foreknew therefore foreplanned Lucifer's fall and punishments. Makes great sense.

    The universe was a fantastic place after that 6th day and the chief created beings in it must have been really enjoying their place in it. Some of them started enjoying it too much and pride crept in.

    The Lord showed that He can take lowly dust and put that over them. Really, really humbling.

    Makes you glad that once we are in Heaven, we will be sinless so that He won't have to it all over again.

    Absolutely looking forward to learning from the Lord - Face to Face
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    And everyone said - AMEN!!!!
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    When I read Psalm 8 I get this mind picture of angels crowded together on the mezzanine looking at the newly created man and a whisper starts and is passed along 'What is a man, what is a man, what is a man?'. Makes me smile from ear to ear picturing it

    Great thread iSong, thankyou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppycat View Post
    When I read Psalm 8 I get this mind picture of angels crowded together on the mezzanine looking at the newly created man and a whisper starts and is passed along 'What is a man, what is a man, what is a man?'. Makes me smile from ear to ear picturing it

    Great thread iSong, thankyou.
    Your word-picture above gives me chills...

    Reminds me too of "Oh what is man that You are mindful of him..." -

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    Thanks for posting that.

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    A profound report and well balanced. Very nicely done iSong.
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    Glorious iSong, talk about chills! Homesick for King Jesus right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by iSong6:3 View Post
    ...to show that He could take what was made of dust and lower than the angels and even turn sinful like satan's realm - but through Jesus's redemption, we would be raised to a higher position than the angels.
    That is the main purpose of Creation, IMO.

    Big thought...
    The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
    Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
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