Is this similar to the unpardonable sin talked about by Fruchtenbaum? The jews (the Sanhedrin and others) who rejected our Lord, that generation from 30 AD to 70 AD, was lost to salvation. The Sanhedrin accused our Lord of being demon possessed and that did it for God and sealed their fate. I know it is literal-the mark but isn't it a spiritual one as well? The Sanhedrin committed the worst national sin (pertaining to Israel) there was. The mark is the worst universal sin that can be committed.
Remember in the 70's when rumors were going around that France was shipping thounsands of guillotines to USA? Because we try to make scripture fit into our preconcieved mold I try to keep an open mind on some interpretation as long as they do not violate God's word.
Saying that, I have viewed interviews with Doug Hamp on his book Corupting the image. His interpretation is fallen angels come down to earth as super being aliens. The human race is offered dna modification into the antichrists dna (making this the mob). He goes though the super hero gendere that has swept our young people, the idol worship of the great athletes (this kind happened during Romes height in their games).
I put this out on the forum for discussion. This could also explain the trib where people are unable to die?
I've wondered the same thing - probably reading the same authors as you.
My personal flesh struggle has been excess weight - since early childhood. It is my thorn in the side. I've often wondered if we might be offered a "miracle cure" for such physical flaws - just accept this vaccine that will "upgrade your DNA" and you will miraculously lose weight, look younger, etc! Would I be able to resist such a temptation? How hard would it be? It also would become incredibly obvious who had taken the mark and who had not. Just a thought!
I think that we are anxious to speculate.To know what is going to happen but we do not.We probably never will.
But doesn't Scripture say that the MOB will be required for people to buy and sell, and that people will willingly receive the mark for this purpose? I can see how people who have no idea about the Bible and the MOB can be fooled and won't understand what the mark ultimately means for their eternal destination, but I don't think it will be obscure and "hidden" so to speak, like in the form of making you thinner or giving you better DNA. Am I missing the point of you guys' posts? At least that is my understanding.
The MOB will be a declaration of allegiance. No one who receives the mark will be under any false pretense whatsoever as to what it represents.
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I'm kind of surprised that no one posted the article from RR News about the military being interested in issuing microchips to all the service members. The chips would be able to monitor health and behavioural patterns and may even be tracking devices too. Pretty crazy because history shows that new technology is used in animall, then military, then the civilians.
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After reflecting on comments the mark of the beat iin the hand or forehead. Still it has been one of satans goals to change our DNA heritage. That is a major sin being commited by mankindby tampering with DNA.
Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
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The ones(innocent) who GET the chip and who will be excluded from the wrath, will be children, mentally handicap people, or those who do not have the capacity to comprehend the worship/oath(i.e., credit card application, drivers license application, recorded verbal statement, etc.) required to get the chip. The rest will know exactly what they are doing and that it will be in direct disobedience to the God of the Bible.
Mat 4:8-9 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
What do you mean by good bad works? If someone is a Christian and don't worship beast/ take mob but does more bad than good (rare case) then where does he go?
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Dispatcher from the new teenage generation
In the "Left Behind" series, the teenage character (19 years old, I believe) was drugged by his parents to get the mark, as he was refusing to get it. In the LB books, believers were "sealed" with a cross on their foreheads that only other Christians could see, so they knew whom they could trust. This particular character, Chang, was a mole in the AC's employ and had avoided the chip. After the mark was given to him while drugged, he had both the mark and the seal of the cross on his forehead. He was worried that he was then damned, but the Bible scholar that kind of led a worldwide band of believers, searched the Scriptures and assured this Chang that if he wasn't even concious during the injection of the chip, that he did not knowingly take the Mark and would not be damned. It did give it an interesting plot twist and made one wonder if parents or spouses would pull something like that or would it more likely be a two-part implementation: the tattooing or chipping accompanied with a declaration of allegiance/submission to the beast--perhaps a baptism? Surely that would incur the wrath of our Lord, and there could be no mistaking what had occurred.
Last edited by Carrie Grace; May 29th, 2012 at 07:08 PM. Reason: did not make sense--D'OH!
All ya gotta do is take a look at the tattooed and pierced masses
of today and it's not hard to imagine how easy this concept
I have set the Lord always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
Psalm 16:8 KJV