John Hagee denies Jesus claimed to be the Messiah

[Eternally]

Hagee has now offered some clarification explaining that he does not deny Jesus as the Messiah. He published his response in the article "A Special Message from Pastor John Hagee Regarding His Book In Defense of Israel. Read it and see what you think.

Can you give us a link?

[macrohard]

It is more important to understand how the Messiah comes the second time around.

The Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, their believe the revealing of the Messiah should be one of "national revelation", rather than individual revelation. That is the whole key. Sin can never be resolved on a national level, repentance can never occur on a national level either, nor can salvation. That is why a "message" was spread to each person....

[meshee]

Can you give us a link?

http://feeds.jhm.org/ME2/dirmod.asp?...2530B583FE9B95

I believe this is it... from the John Hagee Ministries website.

[gradywhite]

He starts off in a normal tone, then escalates slowly to really loud, getting his fans all in an uproar. "yay, yay, clap, clap", and what's even more funny, when they don't 'clap' enough, he ask them to, and once again the loudness. Such entertainment.

And if you listen to his boy, it's the same thing.

[iSong6:3]

It is more important to understand how the Messiah comes the second time around.

The Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, their believe the revealing of the Messiah should be one of "national revelation", rather than individual revelation. That is the whole key. Sin can never be resolved on a national level, repentance can never occur on a national level either, nor can salvation. That is why a "message" was spread to each person....

Both are true, the way I see it. Individuals are saved as individuals, but it will happen for Israel on a national level at the end of the Trib. From Zechariah 13:

10And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace or unmerited favor and supplication. And they shall look [earnestly] upon Me Whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him as one who is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of [the city of] Hadadrimmon in the Valley of Megiddo [over beloved King [b]Josiah].

12And the land shall mourn, every family apart: the [kingly] family of the house of David apart and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan [David's son] apart and their wives apart;

13The [priestly] family of the house of Levi apart and their wives apart; the family of Shimei [grandson of Levi] apart and their wives apart;

14All the families that are left, each by itself, and their wives by themselves [each with an overwhelming individual sorrow over having blindly rejected their unrecognized Messiah].

[iSong6:3]

Hagee has now offered some clarification explaining that he does not deny Jesus as the Messiah. He published his response in the article "A Special Message from Pastor John Hagee Regarding His Book In Defense of Israel. Read it and see what you think.

http://feeds.jhm.org/ME2/dirmod.asp?...2530B583FE9B95

I believe this is it... from the John Hagee Ministries website.

Thank you, meshee.

I'm wondering if acrotinger means this, though, as it's no "clarification" (he admits in that piece that he's telling us what we already know) and that the real clarification will be in an expanded portion of chapter 10 of his book.

So we have to wait for the clarification after all, it seems.

[futurehope]

Hagee has now offered some clarification explaining that he does not deny Jesus as the Messiah. He published his response in the article "A Special Message from Pastor John Hagee Regarding His Book In Defense of Israel. Read it and see what you think.

I read it. I would still like clarification. Hagee seems to think there are two Messiahs, a suffering one and a reigning one. At least that is how it comes across to me. The suffering Messiah and the reigning Messiah are the same to me:they are both Jesus. It shows two different roles, not two different people. I would want Hagee to tell me that the two Messiahs are not two people, but one Person in differing roles.

I do not listen to him anyway.

[savedbygracethrufaith]

Hagee insists on your ability to lose your salvation for much the same reason as the Catholic church. Power & greed!

[IamPJ]

I used to like Hagee, but here lately he has really begun to go off the deep end...what a shame.

[meshee]

Thank you, meshee.

I'm wondering if acrotinger means this, though, as it's no "clarification" (he admits in that piece that he's telling us what we already know) and that the real clarification will be in an expanded portion of chapter 10 of his book.

So we have to wait for the clarification after all, it seems.

I agree, instead of being truly clear about what he's saying... he's basically saying that you're gonna have to buy the book to truly find out.

meshee

[LightOfMyLife]

I read it. I would still like clarification. Hagee seems to think there are two Messiahs, a suffering one and a reigning one. At least that is how it comes across to me. The suffering Messiah and the reigning Messiah are the same to me:they are both Jesus. It shows two different roles, not two different people. I would want Hagee to tell me that the two Messiahs are not two people, but one Person in differing roles.

I do not listen to him anyway.

Jesus the suffering Messiah-lamb & reigning Messiah-lion. One Messiah the lamb & lion.

[Buzzardhut]

Hagee has now offered some clarification explaining that he does not deny Jesus as the Messiah. He published his response in the article "A Special Message from Pastor John Hagee Regarding His Book In Defense of Israel. Read it and see what you think.

Did he also renounce his stated beliefs in purgatory? Since Hagee's jesus might not be the messiah we all need to pay for our own sins in purgatory.

I read it. I would still like clarification. Hagee seems to think there are two Messiahs, a suffering one and a reigning one. At least that is how it comes across to me. The suffering Messiah and the reigning Messiah are the same to me:they are both Jesus. It shows two different roles, not two different people. I would want Hagee to tell me that the two Messiahs are not two people, but one Person in differing roles.

I do not listen to him anyway.

Hagee is as confused as the Jews who are still searching for their messiah.

[Florian9]

People like big personalities that exude confidence

Say anything with confidence & boldness (regardless what it is) and people will listen to you & believe it. Doubt me? Our current _resident and countless other political officials over the years have garnered large followings applying this principal. People are sheep!

[Buzzardhut]

Say anything with confidence & boldness (regardless what it is) and people will listen to you & believe it. Doubt me? Our current _resident and countless other political officials over the years have garnered large followings applying this principal. People are blind sheep!

fify

[Florian9]

fify

Thank you!

[KingBozra]

Hagee needs to be muffled.

I used the word stifled, but I like yours much better. I have said this about Pat Robertson sooooo many times in the last few years. They are becoming an embarrassment to say the least.