What a bunch of garbage.... A community has the right to have volunteers patrol neighborhoods. Police tend to react to a crime not necessarily prevent it.He should have never left his truck and let the police do their job. We don't need vigilantes running around regulating the laws.
Again, more garbage. If it was about race, Mr Zimmerman would have just shot him in the beginning, what nonsense. Nothing here indicates racism. As I have pointed out Zimmerman has called the police frequently while watching his community, and his community has had crime.Zimmerman never saw TM do anything only said he looked suspicious. Most likely because he was black and had a hoodie on.
Read this and stop listening to the race-baiters:
Apples and oranges. On one hand you are using a random crime, what he was doing was patrolling where he lived because they had had some incidents of crime.Let's suppose that Zimmerman saw TM rob someone or do a crime. Would that justify his actions? The right thing is to call the police give them all the info and let them handle it.
I get up and leave for work at 4:30 in the morning most days of the week. I have seen cars driving slowly in my neighborhood, and followed them and asked if I could help them. Should I have just left it alone? I have a family and so do my neighbors.
Used to be that communities watched and policed themselves. Police were called if a crime had already been committed. This no longer happens because neighbors don't know and don't want to know each other.
I don't think anyone could have just restrained a 6"3 170 pound guy who also played football so was in pretty top shape. The pictures show a very young Martin and also a picture of Zimmerman that is not what he looks like now. I also was outraged at first about this death till all the facts came out and his injuries were pointed out Zimmerman had a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head from being slammed into the sidewalk he according to witness's who have no reason to lie was on the ground with Martin on top of him and he was going back to his truck after watching this young man who if you saw pictures of him now looks like a gang banger. I bet everyone here would have wondered what he was doing in your neighborhood if he was walking around it and was not one of your neighbors. Florida allows concealed weapons and allows a person to defend himself so what Zimmerman did may seem awful he most likely was justified and that is why police didn't arrest him. He also had grass stains on the back of his shirt according to the police. I really feel bad that this young man was killed it shouldn't have happened but it appears circumstances got out of hand but I don't believe it is any more Zimmermans fault than Martins. What has happened since outrages me Jackson and Sharpton have caused an uproar and the black panthers want to take the law in their own hands and even advertise it without any repercuptions that is what is outrageous right now and Zimmerman will never be able to get a fair trail if this even goes to court. The media caused this fray by putting out pictures of a young innocent young boy instead of what he looks like now and a picture of Zimmerman that makes him look like an idiot. You better believe they did it on purpose and then good ole Obama walked right into it he was very stupid for making a comment about looking like he could be his son since Martin looks so much different than his little boy pictures that Obama had been seeing.
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We do need to wait till all the facts are released. I do think the outrage is because it was a black teen that was killed and nothing was done about it. I think you have to be crazy to not think that blacks don't get the same treatment in a lot of instances in this country.
I have to disagree with you on Zimmerman leaving his truck to pursue TM on foot. He can report something, describe the person, and let the authorities handle it from there. Do we really want citizens taking the law into their own hands? Further, when he approached TM, he has no badge to show who he is so how could he know he wasn't trying to harm him? If some random guy is following me and gets out of his vehicle I believe it is time for fight or flight. I have no way of knowing his intentions and there is no marking on his vehicle or himself announcing who he is.
Here you admit that you are using past experiences in your life and injecting them into this story. This is why we have so many problems in this country. Just let the facts come out before you starting passing judgement.Ones appearance can make all the difference in how you are received and viewed. In living in an area that is highly diverse and white is not the majority I have seen this happen and had this happen to myself when I was younger.
You've already admitted you aren't doing that...We do need to wait till all the facts are released.
Ginned up and astro-turfed response. This is yet another example of the media using people, race-baiters profiting, and Obama ramping up his base.I do think the outrage is because it was a black teen that was killed and nothing was done about it.
Have you heard of the rape, torture, and murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian by 4 black men and one black woman? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Where was the media, the crowds, the protestors, the answer is simple, this case doesn't fit the media and the left's agenda.
Race isn't as big of a problem as it is made out to be. You are allowing people/media to fill your head, 98% of people in this country don't care what color God made your skin.I think you have to be crazy to not think that blacks don't get the same treatment in a lot of instances in this country.
Observing is not taking the law into your own hands, it is only that, observing. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with neighborhood watch programs.I have to disagree with you on Zimmerman leaving his truck to pursue TM on foot. He can report something, describe the person, and let the authorities handle it from there. Do we really want citizens taking the law into their own hands?
Again, stop injecting your opinions here and let the facts come out.Further, when he approached TM, he has no badge to show who he is so how could he know he wasn't trying to harm him? If some random guy is following me and gets out of his vehicle I believe it is time for fight or flight. I have no way of knowing his intentions and there is no marking on his vehicle or himself announcing who he is.
You have proven your opinion isn't based on facts, it is based on emotion and personal past experiences. Neither have anything to do with what happened here, and it is this type of opinion that have crowds of people gathered calling for "justice."How do you know what I have and haven't read? I can form my own opinion by the facts presented so far. What did TM do to deserve being shot and killed? I'd love to know. And as I've already stated, we don't know for sure how much if any is race related but we know for sure that the media is taking full advantage of the situation and painting it as such. Yet, I do believe had TM not been black he might not have been profiled and this situation never occurred.
I think a few years ago FBI criminal statistics have been suppressed on black on white crime and white on black crime. This was done not to enrage the white population.The best I can remember is it was ten to one. The race baiters jump on every incident and the media always jumps on issues to promote its agenda. The target in this case is the stand your ground law. I am for justice but there was an immediate call for vigilanty justice. In Chicago on saint Pat weekend 49 people were shot. Between 10 to 13 people were kill including a young girl. The early home invasions were drug related now it is like the thugs go to school on how to accomlish this successfully you do a dynamic entry then terrorize your victims so they are so afraid they will tell you where your valueble assets are.
On regular buglaries the enlist youth to do survillance. My wife is a retired teacher who was daily threaten with her life by a 10-11 year old boy who was in an hispanic youth. Nothing was done because he had a hearing impairment. One way he would recruit for his gang was to go up to one of his forth grade students. He ask one boy to join. When he declined he told him his gang would visit his family and his 2 year old sisters throat. Satan has really made inroads into our culture.
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I don't know about the case so I won't comment about that.
This following statement is nothing against blacks or Hispanics and I don't mean to offend
49 out of 50 cabbie shootings are done by blacks or Hispanics in a major city which i currently forgot, and if crime was race proportional, blacks would committ 11% of crimes in the country, but they committ more.
Just a couple of semi related statistics out there and those mean nothing against either group of people.
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I have stated my opinions on what we know so far, and have only admitted we won't know everything till all is revealed.You've already admitted you aren't doing that...
You seem mighty defensive over this...How is leaving his vehicle to pursue observing? Had he never left his vehicle and avoided confrontation this would never have happened. What did he hope to accomplish walking up to someone with no credentials and a gun(in hand? or concealed?) And further he had not witnessed any crime or wrong doing, unless its a crime to walk around a neighborhood?Observing is not taking the law into your own hands, it is only that, observing. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with neighborhood watch programs.
I have already agreed the media is running with it. When I say TM was profiled because he was black I don't think its racism on Zimmerman. From what I've read there had been break ins recently and the suspects were believed or known to be black. Therefore that put TM in a bad spot being black. I don't think Zimmerman shot him just because he was black, but that did have some sway on his decision to profile him.Ginned up and astro-turfed response. This is yet another example of the media using people, race-baiters profiting, and Obama ramping up his base.
No, but if you have a link I would like to read it.Have you heard of the rape, torture, and murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian by 4 black men and one black woman? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Where was the media, the crowds, the protestors, the answer is simple, this case doesn't fit the media and the left's agenda.
Fair enough. Yet you same to have done the same, you've argued in one direction with the same facts that I have. We know he isn't law enforcement so what credentials does he have? Neighborhood watch ID?Again, stop injecting your opinions here and let the facts come out.
Really? I hear and see racism almost everyday from both sides. I'd love to know where you get that number from. The media will always change and use things for its advantage in numbers and ratings, but that doesn't mean racism isn't alive and well. I'd have to wonder what utopia you live in to not ever see this happen. Or maybe I see it more because I am in area that is not majority white.Race isn't as big of a problem as it is made out to be. You are allowing people/media to fill your head, 98% of people in this country don't care what color God made your skin.
Since none of us have all the facts isn't that what we all are doing here?You have proven your opinion isn't based on facts, it is based on emotion and personal past experiences. Neither have anything to do with what happened here, and it is this type of opinion that have crowds of people gathered calling for "justice."
But from what we DO know, TM didn't need to die, this would have been avoided had Zimmerman not took matters into his own hands. Had he never left his truck and kept his distance we wouldn't be talking. That is something we know for a fact.
The bottom line is that two lives have been forever changed - Trayvon's permanently. That said, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the "New" Black Panthers, Barack bama, and other assorted bottom feeders are using this tragedy to further their own agendas - racism and politics. And IMO, George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin have been lost in the shuffle.
Back to B.O..... Using this story to further pit the races against each other for political gain is a new low for this President and his cronies.
We talked about this in 2008 here on this board ... people warned that this smooth-talking street agitator would ruin our country if allowed to take his "talents" to a national level. Now he has the platform to "right those racial wrongs" from the past. It's payback time folks.
This has led me to review Matthew 24 once again, particularly verse 10 which has been ringing in my ears all day. For never in my lifetime have I seen the words of this prophecy jump off the page to take on a life of their own in such a frightening way.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. ~Matthew 24:10
And the world hasn't seen anything yet ... it's going to get so much worse after the Rapture of the Church.
My heart is heavy for those who would rather stay here and wallow in their pet hatreds than accept the Grace of the Savior. What a rotten trade-off.
For decades, the American left has been obsessed with race, class and gender. It despises America’s national heritage and common culture. The Founding Fathers’ dream of a republic based on limited government and rugged individualism, the Constitution, the notion of American exceptionalism, our roots as an English-speaking, Christian civilization based on a distinct national identity - these idols must be smashed in the name of progressivism.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, Mr. Obama’s presidency is not simply about erecting European-style social democracy. It is more insidious and dangerous than that. It is an attempt at establishing a liberal fascist regime - Heidegger meets Jane Fonda.
The results are similar to what exists in other fascist states: a pliant dominant media, greater government control over all aspects of national life, a bloated public sector, economic sclerosis, a corporatist economy, permanently high unemployment, crushing taxes, a hostility to Jews (Israel), a growing intolerance to dissent, the demonizing of critics and an irrational cult of personality.
The most distinctive characteristic, however, is the incitement of racial conflict. Fascism thrives on fomenting ethnic divisions and hatred, targeting internal race enemies to galvanize supporters behind their leader.
This is what Mr. Obama is doing today. He and his Democratic allies have deliberately fanned the flames of racial tensions over Arizona’s immigration law.
The state statute does nothing more than empower local police to enforce existing federal immigration laws. Overrun by Mexican drug cartels, a soaring crime wave and many illegal migrants, Arizona’s authorities are taking action to protect the border in the wake of federal government inaction. The state’s comprehensive immigration enforcement law is simply patriotic common sense and self-defense.
Mr. Obama, however, has blasted it as “misguided.” The liberal media is comparing the law to Hitlerism, a form of apartheid and white supremacy, supposedly for its racial profiling of Hispanics. The Rev. Al Sharpton is leading an economic boycott of the state. The attack on Arizona’s immigration law is an attempt to frighten Hispanics into believing that white Arizonans are seeking to impose a racial caste system. It is deliberately playing the races against one another to help Mr. Obama get higher voter turnout among minorities in November.
The consequences are the gradual Balkanization and breakup of America. The mainstream media refuses to report on one overriding reality: Racial violence has broken out in protest of Arizona’s law. Gangs of Hispanic protesters in Arizona have been throwing rocks and bottles at police, spitting at them and denouncing them as “pigs.” Massive rallies are planned across the country this weekend to demand amnesty for illegal aliens. Event leaders will use Arizona’s law as a rallying point to channel ethnic anger and rage.
Mr. Obama is fueling greater ideological, political and racial polarization. Not since the Civil War have Americans been so divided. He is laying the groundwork for a possible race war. Welcome to Mr. Obama’s fascist America.
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I think some ignorant cultures, like the one I addressed earlier, glorify violence and hopelessness. If you think you can grow up to make a good living, you aren't going to screw it up by getting involved in crime. You're going to study diligently (Penguin comes to mind), get into a good school, and "make something of yourself".
If you grow up in a culture where you're told you are too stupid to support yourself, you will always be on welfare, public housing, and food stamps, live in a bad area, and get killed well before your time, how are you going to live your life?
Like I said, I have a burden for them.
Does that mean I think all blacks or hispanics are ignorant? No way. I live in a nice, middle class neighborhood (thanks, Lord), surrounded by both black and hispanic families. Literally. We have some white families but it's generally black and hispanic. It's a lovely, quiet, place, filled with hardworking people.
I see other interracial couples, and their beautiful children running and playing together.
What is the difference between our area and "Cracktown" - 10 miles away?
Our neighborhood treasures the children, encourages them, and teaches them. Parents work with the kids on their homework. They spend quality time. The children grow up full of hope.
Not so in Cracktown.
I think it was very greedy and inappropriate for his mother to take out the copyright. He's not a meal ticket.
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Good article Buzz And there will be race wars soon enough. I can see it coming.
To me it looks like they both panicked. There is no way someone is going to identify themselves during a fight then walk away. Adrenalin kicks in and things happen. IMHO, they were both wrong but I think Zimmerman was defending himself out of fear.
He called for Martin's "martyr" death to be used as an opportunity to revive the Civil Rights Commission and draw attention to long-standing issues. Very young children and teens sat in the choir behind him.
"The blood of the innocent has power," Jackson said to shouts of "Amen" and loud clapping.
Jackson invoked the names of Emmett Till, the 14-year-old boy bludgeoned and shot to death in Mississippi in 1955 for supposedly whistling at a white woman, and slain civil rights figures Medgar Evans and Martin Luther King, Jr.
"There's power in the blood of Emmett Till! There's power in in the blood of Medgar Evers! There's power in the blood of Dr. King!" declared the 70-year-old Jackson, who marched with King.
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What a mess this country is in. Jesse's sermon put my teeth on edge.
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