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    Default Ministers ponder creation of EU super-president

    Ministers ponder creation of EU super-president

    Ideas kicking around in a reflection group of select EU foreign ministers include merging the roles of the EU Council and European Commission presidents.

    A senior EU source told this website following a meeting of the club in the Val Duchesse stately home in Brussels on Thursday (19 April) that the new supremo would have more power than either Herman Van Rompuy or Jose Manuel Barroso do today but also more "democratic legitimacy" because he or she would be elected by MEPs.

    In other reforms, the new figure would "streamline" the European Commission into a two-tier structure.

    Every EU country would still have its own commissioner with their own vote in the college of 27 top officials. But as in some national set-ups, some commissioners would have more than one dossier while others would be the equivalent of ministers without portfolio.

    The new super-president would also chair General Affairs Councils (GACs) - monthly meetings of foreign ministers which discuss internal Union affairs.
    http://euobserver.com/18/115965

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    Interesting move possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by In Christ View Post
    Interesting move possibly.
    Yep that's what I thought too. The position established just in time for the AC to come and take the reigns and solve the global financial and sovereign debt crisis, consolidate power with the 'more democratic legitimacy' and commence his ministry of terror.

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    Isn't something drastic suppose to happen before the AC comes into the picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon9602 View Post
    Isn't something drastic suppose to happen before the AC comes into the picture?
    The rapture and possible collapse of the global financial system and war in the Middle East or more broadly, a third world war.

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    That is what I thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by $teve View Post
    The rapture and possible collapse of the global financial system and war in the Middle East or more broadly, a third world war.
    Those things have to happen before he is revealed. He can still come to power and not have anyone know who he is
    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlutz View Post
    Those have to happen before he is revealed. He can still come to power and not have anyone know who he is
    Hmmmm.... true. Just like I think he is alive and well today. Walking around and have no idea he is the AC at this time.

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    Google translation into English...

    Ministers consider EU super president

    European ministers consider a super-president of the European Union. This top would soon by the European Parliament should be chosen so that the function of a democratic face.

    EUobserver reported that the European news Friday. The site refers to the deliberations series of ten EU foreign ministers, including Uri Rosenthal. The most recent consultation was on Thursday in Brussels. The super president would the Presidency of the European summits of national leaders and the Presidency of the European Commission must unite.

    On the initiative of the German minister Guido Westerwelle brainstorm ten since March on the future of the European Union. According to the Austrian Foreign Minister Michael SPINDELEGGER want the select group this fall with concrete proposals.
    http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/Nieuw...resident.dhtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by $teve View Post
    Google translation into English...

    Ministers consider EU super president


    http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/Nieuw...resident.dhtml


    Are the 10 EU ministers to do with Daniels ten toes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Shelly View Post
    Are the 10 EU ministers to do with Daniels ten toes?
    the 10 toes are ten countries or regions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Shelly View Post
    Are the 10 EU ministers to do with Daniels ten toes?
    Have a read of the following article I found. It offers a Christian perspective on this development. I strongly agree with the general assessment of this article and also agree with their comments about the ten countries currently not likely being the ten that will make up the AC kingdom (which could be exclusively European or worldwide or some other assemble of countries). Either way, this development is very significant prophetically imo. Will let the article explain....

    Ten EU Nations and a New ‘Super-President’

    Ten European nations propose a new EU super-president. These two entities—10 nations and a singular all-powerful leader—seem to match perfectly with Bible prophecy for these times.

    Yet do they really?

    Let’s take a closer look.

    Last week a meeting attended by representatives of 10 European nations convened in a palatial mansion in Brussels to consider creating a powerful new presidential post to lead the greatest trading bloc in the world, the European Union.

    EUobserver.com reported that “Ideas kicking around in a reflection group of select EU foreign ministers include merging the roles of the EU Council and European Commission presidents.

    “A senior EU source told this website following a meeting of the club in the Val Duchesse stately home in Brussels on Thursday (April 19) that the new supremo would have more power than either Herman Van Rompuy or Jose Manuel Barroso do today …” (April 20).

    The representative group of 10—convened by Germany—comprise Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Spain. Though the number 10 is significant to Bible prophecy relating to a Europe of the immediate future (Revelation 13 and17), it is highly doubtful that this particular group of 10 will be the final 10 nations that will take the lead under German hegemony in the prophesied future restructured European Union.

    One reason we cast doubt on this is because a parallel prophecy to that of Revelation 13 and 17 contained in Daniel 2 indicates that the final 10 will be divided between east and west Europe. The only two nations that may presently be considered as part of east Europe in today’s club of 10 that convened in Brussels last week are Austria and Poland.

    Nevertheless, the prophetically most potent consideration to which this group of 10 devoted its time was the prospect of merging its present three-tier top-level leadership into one all-powerful presidential office. Such a proposal has a most significant prophetic ring to it.

    The problem that the EU leadership presently experiences is a problem of redundancy. The three top offices that presently lead the unwieldy union of 27 nations tend to trip over each other in the decision-making process.

    As EUobserver.com puts it, “The EU Council president post was created by the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. But the Lisbon architecture is messy, with Van Rompuy, for instance, overseeing recent debate on EU fiscal reform, while Barroso’s commission puts forward its own ideas and implements final decisions.

    “Van Rompuy and Barroso also represent the Union at international summits. But Van Rompuy is top dog in terms of protocol, while another post-Lisbon creature, the EU high representative—a job currently filled by Catherine Ashton—does day-to-day foreign relations” (ibid).

    In the revelation of prophecy for our time relative to world conditions that will prevail immediately prior to Christ’s return, it is clear that a single powerful political leader in tandem with a single great religious leader will dominate a great prophesied northern power which shall hold sway globally for a brief moment in time (Revelation 13).

    As our editor in chief has pointed out, that religious leader may already be in office.

    In respect of the prophesied future political supremo of Europe, the fact that all three senior EU officials—Herman van Rompuy, José Manuel Barroso and Katherine Ashton—are prepared to consider a merger of their powers into a singular super-presidency of the EU is vitally significant!

    Keep watching for this proposal to become a reality.

    However, in our watching, one aspect of this powerful super-president’s appointment to office should not be overlooked. Contrary to the observation quoted by EUobserver.com’s source—who stated that the appointment of a singular EU super-president would give the EU more “‘democratic legitimacy’ because he or she would be elected by meps”—Bible prophecy indicates that the future political leader of the final 10 will not be elected to that office. In fact, that leader will rather be drawn to that all-powerful office by flatteries (Daniel 11:21).

    The questions that remain are, which political personality has the charisma, the general political appeal, and perhaps the dynastic profile, to be drawn into that office by flatteries?

    Believe it or not, he is already waiting in the wings for his moment. Indications are that he even tested the water last year and found that his moment had not yet come.

    Watch this website for regular updates on the inevitable rise to prominence of a charismatic political personality to the point of his eventual appointment as the super-president of a powerful European combine—a great northern superpower (Daniel 11)—ruled over by 10 kings, all yielding their own individual power to his overarching leadership (Revelation 17:12-13).

    Then, “when these things begin to come to pass,” as Jesus Christ declared, “look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh”! (Luke 21:28).
    http://www.thetrumpet.com/9327.8169....uper-president

    Some further commentary on the 'super-president' with mention of the new powers the office will inherit. Article translated with google....

    EU thinks of "super president" to Van Rompuy and Barroso to replace


    A select group of European topministers during a meeting in Val Duchesse exchanged ideas about the fusion of the role of Chairman of the Council of Europe (Herman Van Rompuy) and present chairman of the European Commission (Jose Manuel Barroso). This new super president would have more power than the two presidents today, but would also have greater legitimacy because he would be elected directly by the European parliament.

    The new super president would be the monthly General Affairs Councils (GACS) chair, which the Foreign Ministers of the internals of the EU to discuss.

    According to EU Observer is an amalgamation of both roles no adaptation to the Lisbon Treaty is needed.

    The introduction of euro bonds was discussed at Val Duchesse. Such an introduction would be an acceptable structure for the future, but not for past debts, said an EU source.
    http://www.express.be/business/nl/ec...-eu/166459.htm

    This is pretty amazing even if the details of which are not entirely clear. Should the AC come forth from Europe, the red carpet is likely to be getting rolled out real soon. Of course, further financial and economic deterioration in Europe, much more a global financial meltdown, will expedite the process of setting up the AC's office at lightning speed.

    Is this just a coincidental development? Consider everything else that is still rumbling on around the world - economically, politically, militarily, socially, the global financial crisis, severe weather patterns and earthquakes in diverse places, tensions in the Middle East, and various other signs of the times.

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    Thanks for the post $teve, very interesting.

    Do you know what was meant by the sentence near the bottom of the article saying that there were indications last year the water was tested and he found that his moment had not yet come? Think the reference is to an event or person? Just wondering ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppycat View Post
    Thanks for the post $teve, very interesting.

    Do you know what was meant by the sentence near the bottom of the article saying that there were indications last year the water was tested and he found that his moment had not yet come? Think the reference is to an event or person? Just wondering ...
    Well, I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it. At this moment I have no idea what indications they refer to. Would be interesting to know, provided they don't speculate on who the AC is, as attempts to do so have consistently failed historically, which is why it is not allowed on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppycat View Post
    Thanks for the post $teve, very interesting.

    Do you know what was meant by the sentence near the bottom of the article saying that there were indications last year the water was tested and he found that his moment had not yet come? Think the reference is to an event or person? Just wondering ...
    Unknowingly they have to wait for the rapture first ... and wait for the first white horse to set the chess game into motion.



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    I bet it will happen really soon! I mean really!! The game is set and the chess needs to be moved IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon9602 View Post
    I bet it will happen really soon! I mean really!! The game is set and the chess needs to be moved IMO.
    I love it; Chess....

    I was in a high school while tournment with students during I was Junior and Senior.....

    I got championship two years the Chess LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonTiger View Post
    I love it; Chess....

    I was in a high school while tournment with students during I was Junior and Senior.....

    I got championship two years the Chess



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