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    Default Drunkards will not enter the kingdom of heaven?

    I am a new beliver. I am wondering what your views are
    about drinking. I enjoy having a couple glasses of wine
    With my wife about once or twice a week. I also enjoy
    drinking beer with friends about once or twice a month.
    I dont drive or get stumbling drunk, but we drink alot of
    beer. Is there a limit? Should I quit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    I am a new beliver. I am wondering what your views are
    about drinking. I enjoy having a couple glasses of wine
    With my wife about once or twice a week. I also enjoy
    drinking beer with friends about once or twice a month.
    I dont drive or get stumbling drunk, but we drink alot of
    beer. Is there a limit? Should I quit?
    Question: "What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?"

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    Scripture has much to say regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4, 7, 14; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4; Isaiah 5:1122, 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”

    What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol in excess to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

    Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23; Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but not necessarily to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

    Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol. http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html

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    I think dependence on any drug is bad. It interferes with our relationship with Jesus.

    Only you can answer the question, "Am I dependent?" AA suggests going without for a month and monitoring your personal responses. It gives someone a good idea of their dependence.

    I have loved ones with drug and alcohol issues. One is with Jesus, and some are still alive. I believe at least one of them loves Jesus and that their alcohol battle is their own.

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    Personally, given my own high risk of addiction, I avoid it altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve53 View Post
    Question: "What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?"

    Answer:
    Scripture has much to say regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4, 7, 14; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4; Isaiah 5:1122, 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”

    What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol in excess to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

    Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23; Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but not necessarily to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

    Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol. http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html
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    steveo - Please go to the Welcome New Members forum and introduce yourself with your testimony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    I am a new beliver. I am wondering what your views are
    about drinking. I enjoy having a couple glasses of wine
    With my wife about once or twice a week. I also enjoy
    drinking beer with friends about once or twice a month.
    I dont drive or get stumbling drunk, but we drink alot of
    beer. Is there a limit? Should I quit?
    There's a big difference between drunkards and people who consume alcohol moderately. I'm not against drinking alcohol personally and I respect people who hold to no drinking at all. Addictions as Acts 5:41 mentioned is an issue, one of which is not clearly confined to alcohol consumption.

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    This is my sin. This comes between me and The Lord. Please pray for me.
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    Already prayed for!

    I have a whole page in my prayer notebook for people struggling with addiction. You're also covered under several other categories.

    I have a permanent disability because my birth mother drank quite a bit while carrying me. She was enslaved to alcohol - it was awful to watch, even from a distance.

    Special prayers for anyone struggling with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acts5:41 View Post
    Already prayed for!

    I have a whole page in my prayer notebook for people struggling with addiction. You're also covered under several other categories.

    I have a permanent disability because my birth mother drank quite a bit while carrying me. She was enslaved to alcohol - it was awful to watch, even from a distance.

    Special prayers for anyone struggling with that.
    Thanks for that! You are a special lady.
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    With my family, consuming a little glass of wine at dinner was part of the culture. I still enjoy an occasional glass. Not only that, I am interested in the wine industry and nuances of wine - how it takes the various flavors from the soil in which it is grown, how it ages, how it is made, which grapes grow best where... In short, if you have difficulty with alcohol, stay away. If not, enjoy. I fully believe that Jesus turned water into wine - not grape juice. Sorry if that steps on anyone's toes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve53 View Post
    It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today.
    Interesting... Can you expound on that?
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    I am not against a person enjoying a glass of wine occasionally.I think that the Bible says that to be drunk is a sin.That is for our own protection.Being drunk can end up with us in alot of trouble.Also the good ole liver is going give out eventually if we abuse alcohol.I know many respected Christians that enjoy a glass of wine or a drink.

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    I keep this topic simple with myself and other Believers...Remember this, Drunkeness is a sin, its clear in scripture.

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    The Bible says we are to not do anything that would cause our brother to sin. Let's face it, when someone says the word drinking, what images come to mind? Bars, wild parties, promiscuous behavior, drunk driving accidents, etc. The list goes on and on. If we are honest with ourselves, nothing good comes from drinking. Out of all the testimonials I have heard, 100% have been people turning away from alcohol and not to it. Bottom line, drinking alcohol is wrong for a Christian. When we ask Jesus into our hearts and repent of our sins the Holy Spirit lives on the inside of us. It is His dwelling place. Why would you want to put something so vile into it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acrotinger View Post
    The Bible says we are to not do anything that would cause our brother to sin. Let's face it, when someone says the word drinking, what images come to mind? Bars, wild parties, promiscuous behavior, drunk driving accidents, etc. The list goes on and on. If we are honest with ourselves, nothing good comes from drinking. Out of all the testimonials I have heard, 100% have been people turning away from alcohol and not to it. Bottom line, drinking alcohol is wrong for a Christian. When we ask Jesus into our hearts and repent of our sins the Holy Spirit lives on the inside of us. It is His dwelling place. Why would you want to put something so vile into it?
    I agree! Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit that indwells believers. Here is a link that I found. http://www.kc-cofc.org/39th/IBS/Tracts/didjesus.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleora View Post
    Interesting... Can you expound on that?
    Most of the wines of the day did not contain the same average alcohol content of today's wines.

    Quote Originally Posted by acrotinger View Post
    Bottom line, drinking alcohol is wrong for a Christian....
    Let's not go there please.

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    The notion of alcohol / alcoholic drinks being inherently vile is something I've never heard before in those terms. Taking that line of thought, would you (or anyone) consider other ingested consumables such as chemical laden sodas, junk foods, fast foods, or perhaps various medicines vile as well? It is a well-researched and thoroughly documented science that many of the heavily processed foods and drinks we consume today are directly related to the epidemic of costly lifestyle disease and poor health in the western world - such as obesity, diabetes mellitus, cardio-vascular disease, cancer and mental functioning (among others). The reason I ask is because I could appreciate the POV that alcohol is vile and therefore obligates complete abstinence if the same line of reason is extended to polluting the body with other harmful ingredients commonly found in those processed foods, drinks and medicines we so readily consume and evidently too often indulge.

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    One thing to consider when thinking about drinking alcohol is what it does to your witness.

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    James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    You think God would say, "Go ahead, drink up, but not so much as where you sin." That would be God tempting with evil, and is in contradiction to the above verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shonsu View Post
    One thing to consider when thinking about drinking alcohol is what it does to your witness.

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