May 2nd, 2012, 10:38 AM
David Jeremiah this morning on Word 100.7
I was switching through radio channels this morning and happened to catch a couple of minutes of David Jeremiah teaching on some book he wrote about the coming economic armeggedon, and he began to quote Bill Hybels.
I know that Jeremiah has been having issues, including using The Message, so I stopped listening to him well over a year ago on the radio, but this seems to be just another illustration of the lack of discernment going on. I am also honestly so sick of the marjority of "teachers" attempting topical, man-made, worldly messages rather than just teaching through the Bible and what it says literally! What a waste! Harsh? Not at all! The Lord says we perish for lack of knowlege, and that knowlege is of Him and His Word, not our own thoughts! It's been a very painful process to learn that!
I am finishing a book by Kay Smith, Pastor Chuck's wife from Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa---a gift given to me and the reason I read it---and she has cited (once) Brother Lawrence, who is a contemplative. The book has been a mixed bag, mostly good, but I feel like I am making a stack! If I took a Sharpie and marked that paragraph out, would it help? LOL So glad that I want to grab my highlighter when I am reading my Bible while it seems like our current so-called Bible teachers want to borrow my Sharpie!
There are times in my walk with the Lord, like right now, that begin with me feeling very disheartened by the amount of false teachers and misleading teaching going on. And then as I am reading my Bible or spending time thinking on the Lord and His Word and what He has shown me, something washes over me (best I can describe it) of knowing that Jesus is Jesus and His Word is His Word and that there is no substitute that comes anywhere close and never will, even when a god-fearing teacher works through a book with care and doesn't damage the text. It's just a mark of the times and proves that His Word is absolutely true and that following a teacher is not what we do---we examine a teacher and their teachings against God's Word and only follow Jesus.
I become grateful that I know the Lord and that He has ruined me forever to men's teachings and version of wisdom. This subforum, above the others, has been an incredible source of help and guidance because we are looking into things and there are discernment ministries, sadly that have to exist because of what I heard on the radio this morning, and we are doing what we can do so that we are not being led into a ditch but are purifying ourselves and growing in the knowlege of Jesus as our Lord and Saviour in our sanctification.
Thank you for being faithful to post here. I cannot believe how slow the site is compared to when I first started to study here a few years ago. It used to be difficult to find a thread within a couple of hours. Praying for the body of Christ to seek Him above one another.
May 2nd, 2012, 12:58 PM
I really liked David Jeremiah but when he began quoting from The Message I started to become concerned. It's disappointing to see the way some of these teachers have gone. We have to be so careful these days. I'm fortunate to have a Pastor who sticks to the Word of God.
I agree with you SaintTexas...
May 2nd, 2012, 01:39 PM
May 2nd, 2012, 02:32 PM
We are very fortunate to have a pastor who stays in the Word as well. We work through a book, verse by verse, line by line. It's awesome, but I was in the car. LOL
The second I heard him say his name, I hit the station for Christian music. The other Christian station had a money show on and it was all investment oriented this morning, about as boring as it comes and frankly right now, we have no interest. We think the Lord will be back soon and are more interested in eternal returns. I believe we only have three Christian stations in Houston. If someone can tell me what is beyong 88.3, 89.3 and 100.7, please post! I keep thinking about paying for a SiriusXM subscription so that I can listen to The Message (a Christian station with music on it), but I feel like that money could be used for something better than my occasional entertainment in my car, which I am almost never in without my family, and then the kids are usually watching a movie, so what's the point??
Wow, am I rambling today or what?
Anyway, that seems to be what happens. The "solid at one point" teacher starts with giving into some temptation. I would guess it's probably something like teaching topically and picking out verses to support some agenda, even one that the Lord laid on their hearts, but instead of teaching through a large portion of scripture in context and literally, they start picking it apart and applying it to support their agenda. Sadly, if we would just stick with what the Lord wrote by His Spirit for us, this is a more difficult place to end up and so few seem to get this. And then it's something else and then something else.
I used to speak publically and write, etc. with what I used to do professionally, and that many times is the manner presentations come together. Is it always wrong? Hmmmm, when it comes to being a teacher of God's Word, I am going to say that it's extremely dangerous and very easy to end up leaning on your own understanding instead of the Lord's. His ways are just not our ways and we need to reverence Him. I believe that I learned this from simply deciding to read through the NT a few years ago, figuring that the Gospels and Acts were stories, the rest were letters, and Revelation was both and that they were meant to be read that way. And I wasn't wrong! Remembering why the Lord has a certain verse in His Word is as important as the verse and it's content.
Anyway, it's a bit of a lonely day today for me as a believer being homesick, I think. Praying that each of you are growing in your knowlege of Jesus as your Lord and Saviour by His Word and seeking Him with a heart that is humble and contrite. I know I am!
May 2nd, 2012, 10:16 PM
There are a lot of speakers and authors that I used to like, but no longer care for. However, I still read/listen to them sometimes, because I want to be knowledgeable about what Christian deceptions are "out there." As a Bible study teacher, I feel that one of my roles is to warn and educate about how Scripture is being compromised and watered down by some.
May 3rd, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jan, what an asset you are if you are doing this to your students to warn them. I cannot tell you how many times I have walked into another church member's home to see The Shack or my own mother's home to Yancy. Or heard a friend's church is doing PDL.
If only we would dedicate that much time to studying our Bibles instead of reading someone's book about it so that when we do read someone's book about it, we might know truth from lies!
May the Lord bless you with a heart that desires to be faithful to teach His Word that your students may not only grow in their knowlege of Jesus as Lord and Saviour and live out a life in the Spirit full of His righteousness but that they might immediately be able to spot a fake!
May 3rd, 2012, 05:06 PM
I saw David Jeremiah last week at his rally in Houston and he read from NKJV. He even mentioned that he was reading from it and they gave out NKJV bibles as a gift for anyone that donated a certain amount. I pray his eyes have been really opened regarding the message.
It's sad to see that he was quoting Bill Hybels though...My mother bought one of his new books, I'll look through it for any quotes from questionable teachers. I enjoy his sermons about the christian walk and the end times. I won't personally cut him off but will keep an eye out as usual. I'm always reminded when reading this section that we need to pray for preachers today. They really need it.
ETA: Saint Texas have you listened to 105.7 KHCB? They are fairly popular so I'm thinking maybe you have. Of course, they play SO many great christian hymns and songs and they have alot of great preachers (they do play david jeremiah and a few questionables but I just tune off when I'm not interested). I drifted away from 89.3 to 105.7 because I stopped liking CCM and craved hymns nonstop. Just personal taste and i've discovered so many amazing hymns and songs that I'd never heard before. I was then very turned off when they chose to play secular christmas songs for that included nothing about Jesus Christ's birth but were all about santa, snow, presents...etc for HOURS and hours.. I just couldn't hang with KSBJ after that.
May 3rd, 2012, 07:27 PM
I have never cared for "Bible studies" that actually study someone's book "about" the Bible. We just read straight through the Bible, comparing Scripture with Scripture, comparing Old Testament and New Testament. The Bible is the best commentary on the Bible. (Strong's is very helpful though!)
Originally Posted by SaintTexas