Why you must vote and what you can expect

[freedomnut]

This is NOT for you if you are liberal!!! This is a wake-up call for those who feel they are doing the "honorable" thing by voting either 3rd party ( that you know has no chance) or not voting because all of them are --- (you fill in the adjective that suits you)!
{Mod Snip} Rule 14 {Mod Snip}

[tbrian40]

In 1903, 70% of eligible Americans voted. That percentage has gone down since then. Presidents W. Wilson and FDR introduced socialism to our Republic...this country allowed the Euro-centrists to creep into our economics. We have been suffering since then. I don't think there is a way out of this...whomever you choose. I am voting for Romney in November. Please, everyone vote unless you want to vote for Obama...stay home instead.

[IMSAVED]

In 1903, 70% of eligible Americans voted. That percentage has gone down since then. Presidents W. Wilson and FDR introduced socialism to our Republic...this country allowed the Euro-centrists to creep into our economics. We have been suffering since then. I don't think there is a way out of this...whomever you choose. I am voting for Romney in November. Please, everyone vote unless you want to vote for Obama...stay home instead.

Great then we will all be reading "The Book of Mormon".

[Little Bug]

I'm certainly not a Romney fan, but I can tell you that our last election for Senator here in Minnesota (2010) there was a situation where the third-party candidate (Dean Barkley) was very good. I knew, however, that a vote for him would be a vote for Al Franken(stein)! Sure enough.... Norm Coleman (the Republican incumbent) lost a race that was "too close to call." (Barkley, by the way, received some 60,000 votes.) Yes... after I can't remember HOW many months, the ballots were counted, recounted, and recounted the recounteds (some were found in the trunk of a car???!!!)---Al became the new Senator AND, I might add, the 60th vote the Dems needed for, I believe?, Obamacare!!!! I just know there was voter fraud involved. So, in a nutshell, as much as I really don't care for Romney, I'll be voting for him because 4 more years of bama will, IMHO, be the end of our Republic. As it is now, it will probably take at least 50 years to undo what has been done under O.

[raml]

I voted for George Romney every time he ran in Michigan as governor and I have yet to read the book of Morman. Voting does not change your religion unless you choose to do so. Romney may not be Christian but he is not Obama and that is why I will vote for him. Who knows maybe he will be like his father George and surprise us by being one of the better presidents. His father was one of the best governors to ever hold the office and had our state in great shape when he left. I really think that is a cheap shot Santorum was Catholic yet I didn't hear anyone making that an election problem and it shouldn't be we need a government leader not a spiritual leader.

[TimothyK]

Great then we will all be reading "The Book of Mormon".

I voted for George Romney every time he ran in Michigan as governor and I have yet to read the book of Mormon. Voting does not change your religion unless you choose to do so. Romney may not be Christian but he is not Obama and that is why I will vote for him. Who knows maybe he will be like his father George and surprise us by being one of the better presidents. His father was one of the best governors to ever hold the office and had our state in great shape when he left. I really think that is a cheap shot Santorum was Catholic yet I didn't hear anyone making that an election problem and it shouldn't be we need a government leader not a spiritual leader.

If it's all the same to you, I'd prefer my Christian spiritual leaders as far away from this corrupt worlds politics as possible in so much that they do not neglect their liberty and personal responsibility to vote.

There's a guy that's going to be coming on the scene soon who will be a very great government and spiritual leader, but you'll want nothing to do with him!



Anyone that comes in like manner of this fellow is a type of him and certainly one to be avoided. I don't need the government to help me spiritually.

Mitt Romney has given no indication he has any intention of doing anything like that, or else you would think he would have done so already when no body was paying any particular attention to him in his previous held offices. He hasn't.

By contrast, Obama pushes all kinds of strange spiritual ideals from his pulpit as president.

[Wally]

The simple math is, if a conservative - tea party type, cannot win the Republican ballot, how could they ever win as an independent?

Maybe in an off year, when we have a so-so administration, one migh dare to promote a third party, but for now, we need votes that count.
Sadly it seems we are again given the choice between the lesser of two evils, and perhaps that may motovate change from the bottom up.

School Boards, Mayors, State represenatives, Congress, Senate. We need God oriented change. May He have mercy and grant us such.

[Tall Timbers]

I'll vote for Romney if he's on the ballot. Definitely the slightly lesser of two evils. I guess as a nation, we're doomed if we do (vote for Romney), we're doomed quicker if we don't.

[Kaleb]

I don't believe Romney will set up a Mormon theocracy anymore than GW Bush set up a Christian theocracy. That said, wolves come dressed as lambs, just as the word of God said. Serpents are subtle and beguile those who do not heed the warnings of God.

But the nature of Barack Obama was always thinly veiled if at all to me. People passing out at his teleprompter speeches? Greek columns? His communist associations? His questionable eligibility as a citizen? (Yes, there are those who still have doubts, not saying I'm one of them) The outer covering of lamb has been stripped. He's a socialist, marxist. He loves himself. He wants to change America and the people he associates with, Rev. Wright and Ayers, all make it very clear they HATE America. There's no more deception here. He is what he is. He's a wolf and his wolf packs in the media, in the educational system are hunting down and savagely slaying every institution that was unique to America.

Romney may very well be an inward "ravenous wolf", but then again, maybe not, maybe misguided. God has used those outside of the faith to help his people in the past. Perhaps he could do it with Romney. But considering what I've seen of Obama and firmly knowing what he is and what he wants to accomplish, I feel I am ready to give Romney a chance and will therefore vote for him if it comes down to it in November.

And all the while, whatever happens, we know how the story will ultimately end. The Lord HIMSELF, shall descend from heaven with a shout!!!..........

[SaintTexas]

I heard Phyllis Schfly on the radio awhile back when there were still lots of candidates in the race. She said that the thing is that Jesus Christ is not on the ballot, just a bunch of men (and a woman at the time) and there wasn't going to be a perfect candidate.

I am going to be 42 in September and have voted in every election since I turned 18 and so has my husband. I cannot stomach what is going on at this point with the election. The candidates that the powers that be want in the election are the ones that are left, and neither are right for me. I have been seeking the Lord about this for many months and continue to. I believe that is what we all need to do. I am not thinking about voting for a third party. I am thinking about not voting at all, and there are many people like me. We know that we are accountable first and foremost and eternally to the Lord. Do any of us believe that either of these men have the Lord's approval for any reason other than as an instrument of judgement on our nation, prayerfully creating hearts of repentance towards the Lord?!

My husband is voting no matter what except of course if the rapture happens. I am so thankful at all times that the Lord is in control.

And Jesus said to His disciples after telling them so many things, like the ministry and indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Gospel of John, "33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

[SoThankful]

If Romney wins the Primary, him being a Mormon wouldn't affect whether I'd vote for him or not. Although, I wish our federal gov't was filled with born again believers, I vote for people who will adhere to the Constitution. I could not and would not vote ever for a Muslim though.

[SaintTexas]

So thankful, that is an observation that I had not even come to yet.

Thank you for sharing that.

[HeIsEnough]

Do any of us believe that either of these men have the Lord's approval for any reason other than as an instrument of judgement on our nation, prayerfully creating hearts of repentance towards the Lord?!

I'm not necessarily persuaded any President has ever had the Lords "approval."

This is not the Lords business, it is mans. Caesar was mans business as well. If you are happy with the last four years, vote Obama. If you are sad, vote Romney. If one does not care, then you'll get whatever comes at you, with no say in it for you.

I actually have a different take on the US citizenry. If they vote Obama in again, I'll likely wash my hands of ever voting again, or even talking about it.

[OnceWasLost]

Two things:

* How much does one's religious beliefs inform his decisions?

* If they do how much can he get accomplished?

obama had an ideology and a stacked congress for his first two years and we are reeling from the effects of leftist policy. He has hidden behind "religion" as the reason he took the policy direction he did, but it is born of marxism and a hatred for self reliance in favor of governmental involvement over all aspects of life. His is a godless ideology as evidenced by those who share it, and it's opposition to the clear teaching of Scripture. If reelected he will do as much to further his "fundamental change" of America as he can.

On the other hand Romney, though I disagree with him on many items, does not hold obama's hard left view on policy. Is he perfect? Of course not. Is he correct on the deity of Jesus? Not by a long shot, but how did that affect policy by the last one who did hold the correct view? How is he now on family issues? How is he on life? A far cry better than the current occupant of the office.

Let's remember the worst thing obama foisted on us was obamacare and it may be struck down by the SCOTUS. A SCOTUS that has two of his appointments, thanks to many Christians either voting for obama or not voting at all. I wonder how many people even look at it like that? The best hope we have to unwind this man's evil is in that body. Do we want him or Romney to appoint the next Justice(s)? Would McCain, for all his faults, have nominated either of the two Justices that obama did? Adding to that thought do I think for a moment Romney would have nominated either of the two women obama did, or ones with like judicial philosophy? No.

Fortunately we are not electing the Theologian In Chief, but the CEO of the USA. If there was ever a doubt obama has proved to be an unmitigated failure (what a shock) in that position. I have no doubt Romney would be far more competent, since he has a far better ideological view of things, across the board.

Though he was not my first choice, this election is as easy to decide as the last one. obama was a disaster then and is demonstrably more so now. McCain was a weak candidate but I have no doubt we would be in less debt and better shape had he won in 2008.

[ToHimforHim]

Two things:

* How much does one's religious beliefs inform his decisions?

* If they do how much can he get accomplished?

obama had an ideology and a stacked congress for his first two years and we are reeling from the effects of leftist policy. He has hidden behind "religion" as the reason he took the policy direction he did, but it is born of marxism and a hatred for self reliance in favor of governmental involvement over all aspects of life. His is a godless ideology as evidenced by those who share it, and it's opposition to the clear teaching of Scripture. If reelected he will do as much to further his "fundamental change" of America as he can.

On the other hand Romney, though I disagree with him on many items, does not hold obama's hard left view on policy. Is he perfect? Of course not. Is he correct on the deity of Jesus? Not by a long shot, but how did that affect policy by the last one who did hold the correct view? How is he now on family issues? How is he on life? A far cry better than the current occupant of the office.

Let's remember the worst thing obama foisted on us was obamacare and it may be struck down by the SCOTUS. A SCOTUS that has two of his appointments, thanks to many Christians either voting for obama or not voting at all. I wonder how many people even look at it like that? The best hope we have to unwind this man's evil is in that body. Do we want him or Romney to appoint the next Justice(s)? Would McCain, for all his faults, have nominated either of the two Justices that obama did? Adding to that thought do I think for a moment Romney would have nominated either of the two women obama did, or ones with like judicial philosophy? No.

Fortunately we are not electing the Theologian In Chief, but the CEO of the USA. If there was ever a doubt obama has proved to be an unmitigated failure (what a shock) in that position. I have no doubt Romney would be far more competent, since he has a far better ideological view of things, across the board.

Though he was not my first choice, this election is as easy to decide as the last one. obama was a disaster then and is demonstrably more so now. McCain was a weak candidate but I have no doubt we would be in less debt and better shape had he won in 2008.

[twisty58]

I've been one who has agonized over this election. I've prayed, I've weighed the consequences,
and just plain worried over all of it. I was talking to a friend who is an amazing Christian and I
said, "HOW are we supposed to vote with this mess?" And he said, "Well, you have the choice
between a Muslim and a Mormon. We have to choose the "lesser" of the evils." So, I will vote for the one
to fight the election of the other. Very hard times for Christians right now.

[SaintTexas]

OWL, I don't subscribe to a self-reliant philosophy anyway. I am totally dependent on the hand of the Lord for all things. My boast is in Him. I think our nation has forgotten Who the Blesser, Giver, Sustainer, and Provider is.

I know you know all that.

You have made a very interesting point about who Romney may appoint to the SC, but I am going to point you to his record from his governorship in case you were not aware of who he appointed while in office:

http://gopprimary2012.com/a-look-at-...liberal-state/

27 of 36 were D's and very, very liberal. Are you sure that is the position you want to take on that particular aspect of Romney? I don't think based on his record that is something that is true.

Let me know what you think.

I have not made a decision. I am praying and seeking the Lord. I find this to be very difficult. It is at best an election where I would be supporting no one and voting against Obama. At best it....there is no best. It's just all "worst" as far as I am concerned. I just want to be able to live with what I decide in the presence of the Lord. What I appreciate very much is that we can discuss all this and that I have a lot to think about when other views are expressed that I may not have considered.

[SummerSailing81]

I'm not necessarily persuaded any President has ever had the Lords "approval."

This is not the Lords business, it is mans. Caesar was mans business as well. If you are happy with the last four years, vote Obama. If you are sad, vote Romney. If one does not care, then you'll get whatever comes at you, with no say in it for you.

I actually have a different take on the US citizenry. If they vote Obama in again, I'll likely wash my hands of ever voting again, or even talking about it.

If Obama gets re-elected, you and all the rest of us may not have the right to vote or freedom of speech anymore - and I am being absolutely serious when I say this. Look at how Obama has brought this country to its proverbial knees with the possibility of losing the election hanging over his head. Imagine what he'll do when there aren't any looming consequences, like losing another election, for him. I'm thinking that Greece will look like a great place to live in comparison with what life will be like in the U.S. under a second Obama term.

[OnceWasLost]

OWL, I don't subscribe to a self-reliant philosophy anyway. I am totally dependent on the hand of the Lord for all things. My boast is in Him. I think our nation has forgotten Who the Blesser, Giver, Sustainer, and Provider is.

I know you know all that.

You have made a very interesting point about who Romney may appoint to the SC, but I am going to point you to his record from his governorship in case you were not aware of who he appointed while in office:

http://gopprimary2012.com/a-look-at-...liberal-state/

27 of 36 were D's and very, very liberal. Are you sure that is the position you want to take on that particular aspect of Romney? I don't think based on his record that is something that is true.

Let me know what you think.

I have not made a decision. I am praying and seeking the Lord. I find this to be very difficult. It is at best an election where I would be supporting no one and voting against Obama. At best it....there is no best. It's just all "worst" as far as I am concerned. I just want to be able to live with what I decide in the presence of the Lord. What I appreciate very much is that we can discuss all this and that I have a lot to think about when other views are expressed that I may not have considered.

All I can go by is what he says and advocates now. Mass is hard blue and not like the USA as a whole. He has said he thinks differently on some topics then he did and will have a considerably more centrist congress if he is POTUS.

As for self reliance, I mean government vs. private sector solutions. That is a major difference between the two men.

So I will say again, is Romney ideal? Hardly, but this is a no brainer if obama is the option. So many sat out the 2008 because Jesus wasn't on the ballot, so how did that work out? Lot's of change, no hope, and now we are faced with more of the same if obama is returned to office.

[PepsiDad]

I'm voting for Romney for a very simple reason: I don't want to give Obama any further opportunity to replace a conservative on the Supreme Court with a liberal.

As humans, any of the justices can pass away without any warning whatsoever. The sooner Obama is out of office, the better.