Why you must vote and what you can expect

[iSong6:3]

I was talking to a friend who is an amazing Christian and I
said, "HOW are we supposed to vote with this mess?" And he said, "Well, you have the choice
between a Muslim and a Mormon. We have to choose the "lesser" of the evils." So, I will vote for the one
to fight the election of the other. Very hard times for Christians right now.

To me it's an issue of voting for a man who has suckled on the bitter and poison milk of America-haters until it became a part of him and has tried his hardest so far to dismantle this country...or a man who seems to care for America's well-being and will follow the law.

[BarbT]

I'm continually baffled by Christians who insist that only a believer such as themselves is worthy of their vote.

President George W. Bush was never a Muslim nor was he a Mormon. He has a wonderful testimony of how Christ changed his life and it was posted on RR many times. But even that wasn't good enough as W's Christian credentials were questioned repeatedly here because certain things he said or did weren't "holy" enough.

Constitution, National Defense, Support of Israel, SC appointees, Fiscal Responsibility. Just vote for the better candidate in these areas and leave the final judgment of these mens' hearts to God.

[Tall Timbers]

In terms of voting for a politician, I tend to look at their record. That Romney is a mormon doesn't bother me too much. Romneycare, now that bothers me a lot. I see Romney as a liberal with some morality guiding his like and decisions. I see obama as a communist one worlder who serves none other than the prince of this world and who seems to have done his utmost to bring this country to its knees.

[HeIsEnough]

If Obama gets re-elected, you and all the rest of us may not have the right to vote or freedom of speech anymore

I don't really believe that, no. The US will be like it is until the proper time, else it won't be the US. We'd have to throw out the Constitution, and I don't see that happening till there is something "better" to take its place, like a one world government. More and more I see our leaving as being tied to all of it unraveling. Political correctness, the health police, the nanny state, are all doing pretty well at forbidding speech and actions, but as long as we are here, they will hear the truth. Some day, if the Lord tarries, we may see speaking about sin being criminalized. We've seen glimpses of it in the western world, but its just not likely to happen in four years, imo. Sin is preached about every single day. I've seen my freedoms erode for the last thirty or so years, and I'm sick of it, and its not just Obama, its all of them. Give me liberty, or get out of office, thats what I say.

I'm thinking that Greece will look like a great place to live in comparison with what life will be like in the U.S. under a second Obama term.

The US will never be a Greece, its the worlds engine of prosperity, and its best assets are its people. I don't worry much about my standard of living I suppose, but if it goes down for us, we will all suffer together, us normal people anyway, and the rest of the world will suffer even worse. The Congress will stifle most of his agenda, but the right will be as unbending as ever, and the financial problems will fester, with little compromise in sight. We'll see how it plays out, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised, but Beck and the gang will preach their doom, thats for sure.

[OKC03Cobra]

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. The ruling elites control both parties and they win no matter who is elected. This country is heading toward a liberal fascist police state and voting is now nothing more than a sham. I will never, ever vote for a Muslim or a Mormon. To do so would be to enable and encourage blasphemy, heresy and apostasy. Unless the Rapture takes me away beforehand, I will honor the oath I took to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[OnceWasLost]

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. The ruling elites control both parties and they win no matter who is elected. This country is heading toward a liberal fascist police state and voting is now nothing more than a sham. I will never, ever vote for a Muslim or a Mormon. To do so would be to enable and encourage blasphemy, heresy and apostasy. Unless the Rapture takes me away beforehand, I will honor the oath I took to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

If we lived in a God instituted theocracy I would agree, but unlike Israel we were not. To equate a vote in November to blasphemy, heresy, or apostasy, really? Let's be careful not to condemn people who vote as though they are disobeying God.

[April]

I will not vote.

I can not morally vote for someone who I can not trust. And I didn't trust obama when he ran.
And I don't trust romney either. From His voting records to the way he speaks.
He reminds me of Obama when he ran his first election.
Both are scary too me.

The Mormons said that one day someone would come into politics and become president.
(i attended this cult for awhile when i was young and very impressionable) And show the nation the true faith of the world.
Scary, when I think back some 26 years ago, that this is now happening.

I keep praying for a good outcome. But, Its all in GOD's Hands Now. He is My ruler. Whatever happens is going to happen.

My DH will be Voting for Romney. He said he has to vote lesser of the two evils.
He understands my decision of not voting.

[Kenny]

I don't believe Romney will set up a Mormon theocracy anymore than GW Bush set up a Christian theocracy. That said, wolves come dressed as lambs, just as the word of God said. Serpents are subtle and beguile those who do not heed the warnings of God.

But the nature of Barack Obama was always thinly veiled if at all to me. People passing out at his teleprompter speeches? Greek columns? His communist associations? His questionable eligibility as a citizen? (Yes, there are those who still have doubts, not saying I'm one of them) The outer covering of lamb has been stripped. He's a socialist, marxist. He loves himself. He wants to change America and the people he associates with, Rev. Wright and Ayers, all make it very clear they HATE America. There's no more deception here. He is what he is. He's a wolf and his wolf packs in the media, in the educational system are hunting down and savagely slaying every institution that was unique to America.

Romney may very well be an inward "ravenous wolf", but then again, maybe not, maybe misguided. God has used those outside of the faith to help his people in the past. Perhaps he could do it with Romney. But considering what I've seen of Obama and firmly knowing what he is and what he wants to accomplish, I feel I am ready to give Romney a chance and will therefore vote for him if it comes down to it in November.

And all the while, whatever happens, we know how the story will ultimately end. The Lord HIMSELF, shall descend from heaven with a shout!!!..........

Good post. This is how I am thinking in the upcoming election. To me it's simple, we vote for Romney in an attempt to remove Obama, or we do not vote and assure Obama's re-election. I'll vote Romney.

[Garthman33]

I'm continually baffled by Christians who insist that only a believer such as themselves is worthy of their vote.

President George W. Bush was never a Muslim nor was he a Mormon. He has a wonderful testimony of how Christ changed his life and it was posted on RR many times. But even that wasn't good enough as W's Christian credentials were questioned repeatedly here because certain things he said or did weren't "holy" enough.

Constitution, National Defense, Support of Israel, SC appointees, Fiscal Responsibility. Just vote for the better candidate in these areas and leave the final judgment of these mens' hearts to God.

I am probably done voting for the lesser of two evils. Either way I would still be voting for evil and would find myself part of the problem by putting that person in office regardless of the fact that they aren't as bad. It just doesn't seem right to me either way.. Also I don't think George Bush is really a Christian.. Unless he is just extremely ignorant. Check this video out..

http://youtu.be/UGu0-kTi3Eg?t=1m15s

[countryboy]

I love th is article by Ron Graham from the raptureready.com front page! I agree with him 100 percent!


God Speed - Doctrines of Demons

By Ron Graham

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“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:” 2 John 1:9-10. “God speed”. We hear this phrase from time to time and when it is voiced it is usually as someone is leaving on a journey, it’s used as a request for God to provide His providential care upon that person. In the context of the above verse the phrase “God speed” when offered at the time of a person’s departure means you’re telling them you hope they thrive, flourish, prosper, succeed. According to the Apostle John this phrase should only be voiced when addressing someone who is in full agreement with the doctrine of Christ.



John begins his second epistle by addressing the elect lady; some scholars believe he’s speaking to Mary the mother of our Lord, others believe he’s simply addressing a certain congregation of the saints. But to whoever the letter is addressed one thing is certain, he’s addressing God’s children. John begins his salutation with “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” 2 John 1:3. His salutation includes a short phrase that to most of us may seem an unnecessary inclusion in his salutation, the Son of the Father. He does this because we must always be reminded of the immaculate conception of Christ, since the Gnostics absolutely deny that truth. John was fully aware that many false teachings concerning Christ were in the world, and that those teachings could and would corrupt the doctrine of Christ. To this date the Gnostics have been quite successful promoting their doctrines of demons.



Then John moves into a tone which seems as though he is begging the reader to remember the commandment given by our Lord. “And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.” 2 John 1:5. Why is John repeating Jesus’ admonition to His disciples? Because it is an essential part of Christian doctrine and needs to be repeated as a reminder of how we are to treat one another. But there’s something more here, something deeper that John will address. John, in Christian love, is concerned for his readers that they might become indifferent towards the commandments and void of the heart of obedience. Being obedient to the commandments of our Lord is proof that we love Him. Keeping our Lord’s commandments is a deterrent to allowing false doctrines to thrive within our congregations.



Without a doubt John is addressing saints in his second epistle. Without even knowing it, some saints will actually embrace false doctrines, especially those who reject Bible study as a necessity for every Christian. But none of us saints (born again “in Christ” followers of our Lord Messiah Jesus) should ever knowingly embrace false doctrines (doctrines of demons). You might be wondering how it is possible for someone who is born again to embrace and legitimize the doctrines of demons. I’ll explain in a moment. But know this, even a born again follower of Jesus Christ can embrace doctrines of demons simply by bidding a purveyor of such a person God speed (may your doctrines thrive), and as I will explain in a moment, I believe there are other ways as well.



First, let me ask this question. How many Christians today abideth (stand up for) the doctrine of Christ? With the apostasy growing at breakneck speeds around this planet the answer is far less then we might think. Anyone who denies the deity of Christ is living a lie. Anyone who promotes this same doctrine is promoting doctrines of demons.



John goes on to explain the reason for this admonition. “For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:11. In other words, when we offer the salutation “God speed” to those who are opposed to the true doctrine of Christ we become partakers (accomplices) in their false doctrine. There are many doctrines of demons encroaching on the doctrine of Christ these days. Many claim to be Christian, thus they claim kinship with those who are actually born again. Yet they completely deny Christ’s deity. This is what John is trying to convince his readership of as he was fully aware of the Gnostic religion (those denying the deity of Messiah Jesus, His resurrection, and His immaculate conception) permeating the land.



Today, as in John’s day, the Gnostics are in full bloom. Who are they? They are those who oppose the doctrine of Christ. In my commentary titled “Apostasy” I wrote about those who transgress the doctrine of Christ and I made brief mention of but a few of them. Although there are many who fall into the category of transgressors, John references them as Gnostics.



The evil that John saw approaching was subtly infiltrating even the Ekklesia (assembly of the called out) and he was warning his readership against those who were spreading the doctrines of demons to the extent that they were not even to invite them into their homes; offer no hospitality. We, the followers of Jesus Christ, have a responsibility for maintaining His correct doctrine and admonishing our fellow saints to be just as cautious when it comes to the ever increasing infiltration of the doctrines of demons into our lives. We must stand up for the doctrine of Christ while we help others to recognize the false doctrines that are currently encroaching on and being accepted by the Ekklesia of the Lord.



Be on your guard always as the enemy is crafty, he exploits every venue imaginable, most of the time with cunningness such as that of a lion sneaking up on its prey. On occasion these transgressors will come to our homes armed with their erroneous literature while their pleasantries are flawless, but they are full of deceptions and perversions of the true doctrine of Christ. They are the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons. These are but two groups of Gnostics but these are the ones who make it a practice to visit people’s homes. John says we are not to even invite them in and especially do not bid them God speed as they leave the premises.



Lately I’ve been pondering the current presidential race. I’ve noticed a very well mannered, pleasant speaking, somewhat charismatic individual running for that particular office. He is being promoted as the front runner of all Republicans running. His name is Mitt Romney. He makes some great arguments, he stands opposed to Obama and that fact alone excites me. On the surface there doesn’t seem to be anything that would preclude most conservative thinking Christians from casting their vote for this individual. Certainly he can’t be as bad as the current occupant of the White House. Well there is that one thing that kind of hangs over him like a dark cloud – Mormonism. He’s a Mormon. He’s a lifelong member of one of the fastest growing cults in the world, and as such he abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, (hence he) hath not God – his doctrines of faith are of demons.



I’ve spoken to other Christians about this man; many are very encouraged by him and are willing to help him gain the presidency. I must admit, I too was about to fall for that trap, as the saying goes “anybody but Obama”. Most Christians today separate their Christian faith and their walk with Jesus from the rest of their life’s activities be it politics, work, freemasonry, or other associations. But if you really give it some thought it is impossible to leave your Christianity at home when you go out to associate with the world as the Holy Spirit indwells every born again believer all the time.



Many times Christians are defined by what we reject as much as by what we accept. Some are so open minded that they are empty headed. As born again in Christ believers, by casting a vote for this man are we not also accepting his doctrines of belief? And what will that say to the rest of the world when they find out that Christians voted into the highest office of their land a Mormon? Would we not be legitimizing his religion as we cast a vote for him? Satan is already in the White House under the guise of a man named Obama. Casting a vote for another man who has also embraced the doctrines of demons won’t change that fact. The White House belongs to “We the People”. In that context wouldn’t inviting a lifelong member of a major cult to take up residence in our house by offering him hospitality using our voting power be the same as the promotion of Mormonism – the doctrines of demons? Would we not be partakers of his evil deeds? Certainly food for thought.



“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” 2 Corinthians 6:14-16. Many believe these verses refer to the marriage of a Christian with a nonbeliever. This is not the case, we as believers in Christ must not have any fellowship with unrighteousness – with the spirit of darkness – for what has Messiah to do with Satan? God has no unity with Satan. In every aspect of a Christian’s life there should never be any acceptance of doctrines of demons.



I’m in no way advocating for the reelection of the man that currently occupies the White House. Some of you will say that by withholding my vote for either of these individuals, will only shore up an Obama win. I doubt that. But whether that is the case or not, I will stand firm on the doctrine of Christ. I spent too much of my life either ignoring Him or resisting Him, no more. My thoughts and actions as a child of God must always be in line with my Father in Heaven “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” 2 Corinthians 10:5.



God bless you all,



Ron Graham

All scripture is “theopneustos” God breathed

[iSong6:3]

I suppose that may sound all *spiritual* 'n' stuff but how is that being salt and light in this fallen world.

At any rate Graham's *spiritual* non-vote is a vote for the status quo, being Obama. Glad he can live with that.

Btw, many articles on the main page do not speak for RR...

[SoThankful]

If Obama gets re-elected, you and all the rest of us may not have the right to vote or freedom of speech anymore - and I am being absolutely serious when I say this. Look at how Obama has brought this country to its proverbial knees with the possibility of losing the election hanging over his head. Imagine what he'll do when there aren't any looming consequences, like losing another election, for him. I'm thinking that Greece will look like a great place to live in comparison with what life will be like in the U.S. under a second Obama term.

Sad thing is that he could have been removed 3.5 years ago, he could be removed tomorrow. Even if Congress ignored his non-NBC status, he has committed felony crimes while sitting in the Oval Office. His Selective Service Reg. is fraudulent, there is no proof he ever registered, he by law is unable to hold any job in the Executive Branch of our gov't. The Arpaio investigators couldn't even find a document nationwide that proves he's even a citizen of this nation. The whole thing is beyond the Pres election, we'd have to remove all 535 of these people who are complicit in Obama committing treason by using fraud and deceit to usurp command of our military. I cannot believe this is happening.

[HeIsEnough]

I suppose that may sound all *spiritual* 'n' stuff but how is that being salt and light in this fallen world.

I would go so far as to say his article is stupid. Realistically and biblically.

Do all you who will not vote, vote for GWB? For McCain? For Dole? Really, these guys are the model of a christian? One whom you will allow yourself to be equally yoked with? (as if that is not a butchered, hatchet job on what that scripture actually means)

On that basis alone this mans writings are silly and not worth our time.

The US is not the church, it is a part of the world, like every other part of the world. If Mr. Graham had any coherence in his teaching at all, he would never recommend any believer to vote at all, ever. Somehow, I bet he was pleased as punch with GWB, a man I liked, flaws and all, but we are talking about the great Ron Graham, a man who apparently would be kingmaker over the world with some mythical ideal christian. One who would marry good christian doctrine with good christian secular leadership to give us a bonafied real christian country. That would be adultery with the world, plain and simple. Let God and His business be separate from man and his business, they'll never be the same in this world. If you don't get that by now, I don't know what to say.

People should vote, its the world after all, and no man will make this world any better than it is already, its thoroughly corrupted, from top to bottom, every man, woman and child. The corruption didn't start with Obama, it won't end with Obama. If someone thinks voting for someone more to Ron Grahams liking, like say Santorum, would change any of that, then you've not payed careful attention to the words and teachings of Christ. He had no visions of any of His followers making any kind of dent whatsoever in the evil that is this world. Its why He calmly and simply stated, render to the world the things of the world. Be in it, do the things that being in it require, but be no part of it. Don't think you'll marshall the kingdom forward by voting in some kind of "yokable" christian, its a myth. Not only is the idea stupid, its not biblical.

[Steve53]

God Speed - Doctrines of Demons

By Ron Graham

I'd seen RG run off the rails a few times too many in the past to ever bother to read him again, until now.

What a stark reminder of why I don't give anything he has to say a second thought.

[Kaleb]

I'm somewhat at a loss that many here at this forum seem fully prepared to sit out this election. Please, wake up! Don't send Obama back to Washington.

If America is to fall at the hands socialists, don't make it easy for them. If Romney furthers the policies of this viper, then vote again and boot him out. Do you think a liberal socialist who champions atheism, homosexuality, unfettered abortion rights, massive police state government control and nationalizing private industry would ever declare they would not vote?

I'll ask you this, if you have given up on the vote, and believe me I understand, then what are you prepared to do to affect godly change in America?

Believe me, I have been keeping score with Romney too. I know he's not a firebrand conservative and I'm aware of his liberal moves in the past. But I've also kept score with Obama. The guy is a viper who was raised by vipers!!!! Can you at least point to the kind of radical ties Romney has had compared to what has been sown into Barack Husein Obama?

[Kenny]

I would go so far as to say his article is stupid. Realistically and biblically.

Do all you who will not vote, vote for GWB? For McCain? For Dole? Really, these guys are the model of a christian? One whom you will allow yourself to be equally yoked with? (as if that is not a butchered, hatchet job on what that scripture actually means)

On that basis alone this mans writings are silly and not worth our time.

The US is not the church, it is a part of the world, like every other part of the world. If Mr. Graham had any coherence in his teaching at all, he would never recommend any believer to vote at all, ever. Somehow, I bet he was pleased as punch with GWB, a man I liked, flaws and all, but we are talking about the great Ron Graham, a man who apparently would be kingmaker over the world with some mythical ideal christian. One who would marry good christian doctrine with good christian secular leadership to give us a bonafied real christian country. That would be adultery with the world, plain and simple. Let God and His business be separate from man and his business, they'll never be the same in this world. If you don't get that by now, I don't know what to say.

People should vote, its the world after all, and no man will make this world any better than it is already, its thoroughly corrupted, from top to bottom, every man, woman and child. The corruption didn't start with Obama, it won't end with Obama. If someone thinks voting for someone more to Ron Grahams liking, like say Santorum, would change any of that, then you've not payed careful attention to the words and teachings of Christ. He had no visions of any of His followers making any kind of dent whatsoever in the evil that is this world. Its why He calmly and simply stated, render to the world the things of the world. Be in it, do the things that being in it require, but be no part of it. Don't think you'll marshall the kingdom forward by voting in some kind of "yokable" christian, its a myth. Not only is the idea stupid, its not biblical.

I agree with this.

[Tall Timbers]

If you vote for the lesser to two evils... you're voting for something (someone) who at least appears the better option. Not voting is like giving up. I don't think we're ever supposed to give up. Living in this world is hard and sometimes very harsh. I've been stomped on so many times in life that I've lost count. I often forget that I'm surrounded by wolves and give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them, when in 20/20 hindsight, I shouldn't have. Please don't give up, people. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, vote for the better of the two. Otherwise the worst of two evils will likely be governing us for another 4 years. As much as I don't like about him, romney at least supports the traditional family unit, and that alone is very important.

Please vote!

[gradywhite]

I wonder if you venture out to the left side's forums......do they say "if you don't vote for Odumbo, it will be a sure victory for Romney"?

[Kaleb]

Let God and His business be separate from man and his business, they'll never be the same in this world. If you don't get that by now, I don't know what to say.

I'm not sure on this statement. Man IS God's business. The world IS God's business. After all, he loved the WORLD so much that he gave his son. He gave his son so MAN would not have to perish. I just don't see the logic in saying man's business and God's business are really so separate.

God has watched and acted in the affairs of men. I've never read anywhere in the bible where he was so hands off in the affairs of this world. Why create it only to adopt the attitude of "let man do what he wants, its his business"

He commissioned the church after all to affect change in the world. Didn't Jesus say YOU are the light of the world and salt of the earth? If we decide not to affect change in the world, Jesus said, how else would it be salted?

So that we're on topic, I believe we can enact some saltiness on these elections. Maybe both of them are pretty rotten tomatoes but if all we can do is pick the least rotten of the bunch, that's better than being stuck with the what we have.

[HeIsEnough]

Well, the statement was meant to not mix qualifications of a man of God, verses a man of the world. In a very real sense, Christ stayed out of questions like...Lord, who is better on taxes, this one dude or the other dude? If He were to have said something, it would have been something like I'll get rid of both dudes and institute My kingdom. He never pointed to any kingdom He instituted or allowed in this world. He blessed me and you with liberty and a republic. It could have been a collective and socialism. Either way we salt this place best by pulling them out of these world systems to His kingdom. In the meantime, we still have a republic and some liberty, and I plan to vote to keep it that way, if it be possible.