Plans to create a more powerful EU

[tbrian40]

Germany also financially supports and controls most of Europe. The fourth Reich is emerging with a Sharia flavor.

It is sad to see that Germany didn't learn a thing from WW2. Seems only fitting though. They introduced national socialism and infected the whole world with it even though naziism was 'defeated'.

[TimothyK]

akin to many buildings not having a 13 button on the elevator. Have you ever been in an elevator that has buttons for 12 then skips to 14?

The 13th floor always exists in a building: it's typically a maintenance floor where you would control the buildings major electrical systems, the air conditioning, network, etc.

Baring the above, the 13th floor is also often an admin/worker retreat that the elevators don't let you get to.

There is a '13th' button, but it's usually behind a lock that only hired crew or admins can get to. But yes, the reason for the all the hubbub over it is superstitious nonsense.

Far eastern cultures do the same thing with the number four and sometimes nine as well.

Apparently if your first and last name consist of 13 words, you're doomed to have the devils luck/fate.

Hitler Calvinist approved!

PS and don't you dare go driving on that US Route 666!

[Ovicula]

Germany also financially supports and controls most of Europe. The fourth Reich is emerging with a Sharia flavor.

To this day, Germany is suffering from the consequences of its history! We are still under occupation.

From the Basic Law, Article 79: ... In the case of an international treaty regarding a peace settlement, the preparation of a peace settlement, or the phasing out of an occupation regime...

From Article 120: The Federation shall finance the expenditures for occupation costs and other internal and external burdens resulting from the war...

From Article 146: This Basic Law... shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect.



What fourth Reich do You mean?

It is sad to see that Germany didn't learn a thing from WW2. Seems only fitting though. They introduced national socialism and infected the whole world with it even though naziism was 'defeated'.

We don't have a problem with national socialism but with the EUSSR and the religion of peace.

[Tall Timbers]

So Is the Floor; It is just numbered differently.
Difference is the seat is numbered. Still believe that when he arrives, he will be at the head and not in the chair.

I'd never looked at the "14th floor" that way.

[Praying]

So Is the Floor; It is just numbered differently.
Difference is the seat is numbered. Still believe that when he arrives, he will be at the head and not in the chair.

I agree that eventually, in a short period of time he will be at the head but he could very well occupy the chair in the beginning. IMO, his ideas and diplomatic so-called solutions will sound to the others to be the right- and only way to go, - and they will be amazed at his ability to grab hold of the situation and provide the needed solutions. IMO, they will then quickly promote him to the head, but it is still a strong possiblity he will occupy the chair for a short while. I am certain he will be more than willing to do this, - and possibly even make a statement about it just being a number, and how all the Christians are religious radicals and full of superstitions.

[Buzzardhut]

What fourth Reich do You mean?

We don't have a problem with national socialism but with the EUSSR and the religion of peace.

Germany's new strength over the EU through financial control; national socialism is a very big problem and the EUSSR and the religion of pieces are merging into it.

[Ovicula]

Germany's new strength over the EU through financial control; national socialism is a very big problem and the EUSSR and the religion of pieces are merging into it.

National socialism in Germany is hyped up very much by the media.

I'm living in East Germany where supposedly Nazis lurk at every corner. This is definitely not true. I'm originally from West Germany and was afraid to move there. After many, many years I can state I'm living here in an idyllic world. Our child had a peaceful childhood and youth and we had never troubles in this context. Contrary to West Germany I'm feeling very confident here.

[Buzzardhut]

National socialism in Germany is hyped up very much by the media.

I'm living in East Germany where supposedly Nazis lurk at every corner. This is definitely not true. I'm originally from West Germany and was afraid to move there. After many, many years I can state I'm living here in an idyllic world. Our child had a peaceful childhood and youth and we had never troubles in this context. Contrary to West Germany I'm feeling very confident here.

I'm not concerned with Nazis; I'm referring to economic control; Europe is bankrupt and Germany holds the strings, just like China holds the strings over the US.

I hear Germany is a very beautiful place to live; everything is rotating toward One World govt.

[Ovicula]

Isn't there still an unfilled seat #666 at the E.U. ?

How do you know there is a unfilled seat #666?

I'm just going by memory, something mentioned on this board maybe?

It's been quite a few years.

I searched the U.N. Website but haven't found it yet.

I believe there was a chart with seat numbers and names.

The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=666

This is apparently a hoax.

All seats are taken.

Actual:

Seat Number 666 in Strasbourg: Mairead Mc Guinness, Ireland
Seat Number 666 in Brussels: Eva Lichtenberger, Austria

This is from the official website of the European Parliament:

Chamber seating plan

For plenary sittings, the 754 Members of the European Parliament meet in the Chambers in Strasbourg and Brussels.

How are the seats allocated ?
The rules which determine the allocation of seats in each Chamber are laid down by the Conference of Presidents:

■Members of the European Parliament form groups based on their political affinity, not on their nationality.

■The Chairs of political groups sit in the first row in the semi-circle opposite the President of the European Parliament.

■The third row is usually occupied by Bureau members (Vice-Presidents and Quaestors).

■Within the political groups, the remaining seats are generally allocated in alphabetical order.

Chamber seating plans

The two plans contain:

■a list indicating, in numerical order for each seat, the name of the Member to whom this seat is allocated;

■a list indicating, in alphabetical order for each Member, the number of the seat which is allocated to that Member.
The seat numbering in Strasbourg and Brussels is different and a Member may occasionally occupy another place for technical or organisational reasons.

These lists are updated for each part-session.

Chamber seating plan (Strasbourg)
Chamber seating plan (Brussels)

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/hemicycle.do

Klick on this link and You can see all names and seat numbers.

[SaintTexas]

The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=666

That was written in 1999 but put out again today.

Here are the current seating plans for meetings in Strausberg and Brussels from the actual EU with two different names in that particular seat. Probably meaningless.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/hemicycle.do

[SaintTexas]

BTW, where is Buzz?

My understanding of both Daniel and Rev on the ten toes/ten kings is not that it's the EU only but the whole world. He had a map from the UN as well with the globe already divided into 10 regions for the future and we went through the scriptures on this.

The AC will also rule the entire earth, not just the EU. The Bible is very clear on that. Just like we cannot stand strong, neither can the EU, and we are unfortunately linked together, remember? Obama signed something at the G20 in 2009 [illegally, of course, a total violation of our Constitution and what rights the POTUS actually has] that links us to them and probably has something to do with us giving them money.

[twisty58]

I've been wondering if the three Kings who are "Subdued" will be the three positions that this "Super" EU President will take over??

We tend to think it's three leaders of three countries, which it could be, but what if it's a clue that the AC will come out of this new Super EU President they want, which will give him power over three divisions of the EU...
hmmm

Wow!Fascinating! Thank you (ALL) for sharing all this!

[M4EVERHIS]

Here's the link: http://www.hallindsey.com/watchman-warning-572012/

I found this comment especially interesting:

"The proposed removal from the EU of the UK composed of England, Ireland and Scotland could even possibly refer to the predicted removal of three nations in Daniel's above prophecy."

[iTRU7H]

I found this comment especially interesting:

"The proposed removal from the EU of the UK composed of England, Ireland and Scotland could even possibly refer to the predicted removal of three nations in Daniel's above prophecy."

Daniel 7:24 "The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings."


why does hal think that That could be the subduing mentioned in daniel? like, who would be the 10, who would be the 11th, etc...

[M4EVERHIS]

the implication of the EU superpower and Rome reviving-

There are strong and weak countries and apparently they want to bypass/get rid of Britain.

Perhaps this link will help explain the link of the countries:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_England_own_Scotland

I think he was just throwing it out there....something to ponder. Time will obviously tell...........and we won't be here!

Regarding the 10 kings, numerous discussions on RR- possibly 10 regions, countries dropping out, being merged (weak with strong). We know there will be 10 kings, but the bible doesn't tell us the 'who' .

[Buzzardhut]

And don't underestimate the power of Gog or the new Pope.

[Ovicula]

I also do not agree that Germany is Gomer, most scholars place Gomer as Turkey.

Here's a list I've compiled after reading books from the following:

Joel Rosenberg
Gomer - Turkey and possibly Germany and Austria

Mark Hitchcock
Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia, Central Asia, and possibly Afghanistan, Turkey
Gomer - Turkey
Bethtogarmah - Turkey

Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia
Gomer - Germany
Many Peoples with you - May or may not mean additional countries

John Hagee
Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia

Tim LaHaye
Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia
Gomer - Germany and possibly some Eastern European Countries
Bethtogarmah - Armenia and possibly Turkey

Jimmy DeYoung
Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia, Turkey

John Walvoord

Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal - Russia
Gomer - Asia Minor and others in Eastern Europe

some of the above probably base their assumptions on original work, others probably accept the results of others' studies. maps may or may not be accurate. I figure we'll know for sure eventually, whether we're here or home.

Imho Turkey is not Gomer, because Turks are descendants of Magog. In biblical times there were no Turks in Asia Minor, they invaded around 1000 AD. They origin is Central Asia and West China.

Germans are descendants of Gomer (son of Japheth) and Asshur (son of Shem).

From the Table of Nations:

Present-day Germanic people groups are descendants of both Japheth and Shem, and there are several references from recent and ancient history. Recent history records the descendants of Gomer migrated and settled in the region that is now northern Europe (Germany and Scandinavia). These tribes became the Goths, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Teutons and Burgundians, descendants of some of the first peoples to migrate to northern Europe from ancient times—the Askaeni.

The Askaeni were descendants of Ashkenaz, son of Gomer, son of Japheth. When the Askaeni arrived in northern Europe, they named the land Ascania after themselves, which later translated Scandia, then Scandinavia. Later in history, we find the Askaeni being referred to as Sakasenoi, which became Sachsen, and finally Saxon. The Saxons played an large part in European and English history. Ashkenaz has been one of the most well preserved names throughout European history.

Semitic peoples also migrated to central Europe (southern Germany, Austria and Switzerland). These people were the descendants of Asshur, son of Shem, where Germans originated. Asshur is well known in history as the father of the Assyrians. In the Aramaic language, "Aturaye" means Assyrian, and the land of the Assyrians is called "Atur," which became "Tyr" or "Teiw" by early Germanic peoples. Later, the name linguistically changes to "Ziu."

Germans likely derived their identity and language from these ancestral names. The earliest known name of the German language was called "Diutisc," which later becomes Dietsch, Deutsch or Deutsche (what Germans call themselves today). Deutschland (land of the Deutsch) could be called "Asshurland." The Romans referred to the Deutschen as Teutons or Teutones. The Teutons were a tribe of Germans nearly wiped out by Romans in the second century B.C.

The term "German" comes from Latin (Roman) sources. The Assyrians occupied a Mesopotamian city on the lower Tigris River called "Kir" and placed captive slaves there (also referenced in 2 Kings 16:9, Isaiah 22:5-6, Amos 1:5, 9:7). The city was populated by the Assyrians for many years, and the inhabitants became known as "Kir-man." The Assyrians (Kerman) were driven from their land shortly after their fall about 610 B.C. They migrated into central Europe where they were called "German" or "Germanni," a general name used by the Romans to represent all Assyrian tribes. The known Assyrian tribes were the Khatti (also, Chatti, Hatti and Hessian)—Chatti is still the Hebrew term for German, and Khatti was also used by the Romans to represent various Germanic tribes; the Akkadians (Latins called them Quadians); the Kassites (or Cossaei); and the Almani (or Halmani, Allemani was the Latin name). Almani or Almain were historical terms for Germans living in southern Germany.

Gomer "complete"

(sons were Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) - also Gamir, Gommer, Gomeri, Gomeria, Gomery, Goth, Guth, Gutar, Götar, Gadelas, Galic, Gallic, Galicia, Galica, Galatia, Gael, Galatae, Galatoi, Gaul, Galls, Goar, Celt, Celtae, Celticae, Kelt, Keltoi, Gimmer, Gimmerai, Gimirra, Gimirrai, Gimirraya, Kimmer, Kimmeroi, Kimirraa, Kumri, Umbri, Cimmer, Cimmeria, Cimbri, Cimbris, Crimea, Chomari, Cymric, Cymry, Cymru, Cymbry, Cumber (Cimmerians, Caledonians, Picts, Milesians, Umbrians, Helvetians, Celts, Galatians, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Goths, Vandals, Scandinavians, Jutes, Teutons, Franks, Burgundians, Alemanni, Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Luxembourgers, Liechensteiners, Austrians, Swiss, Angles, Saxons, Britons, English, Cornish, Irish, Welsh, Scots, French, and other related groups).

Magog "land of Gog"

(sons were Elichanaf, Lubal, Baath, Jobhath and Fathochta) - also Gog, Cog, Gogh, Gogue, Gogarene, Jagog, Yajuj, Majuj, Juz, Majuz, Agag, Magug, Magogae, Magogue, Ma-Gogue, Mugogh, Mat Gugi, Gugu, Gyges, Bedwig, Moghef, Magogian, Massagetae, Getae, Dacae, Sacae, Saka, Scyth, Skythe, Scythi, Scythii, Scythini, Scythia, Scythae, Sythia, Scythes, Skuthai, Skythai, Cathaia, Scythia, Skythia, Scynthia, Scynthius, Sythian, Skudra Sclaveni, Samartian, Sogdian, Slovon, Skodiai, Scotti, Skolot, Skoloti, Scoloti, Skolo-t, Skoth-ai, Skoth, Skyth, Skuthes, Skuth-a, Slavs, Ishkuzai, Askuza, Askuasa, Alani, Alans, Alanic, Ulan, Uhlan (Scythians, Scots); also Rasapu, Rashu, Rukhs, Rukhs-As, Rhos, Ros, Rosh, Rox, Roxolani, Rhoxolani, Ruskolan, Rosichi, Rhossi, Rusichi, Rus, Ruska, Rossiya, Rusian (Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Dagestanis); also Mas-ar, Mas-gar, Masgar, Mazar, Madj, Madjar, Makr-on, Makar, Makaroi, Merkar, Magor, Magar, Magyar (Hungarians - also Huns, Hungar, Hunugur, Hurri, Gurri, Onogur, Ugor, Ungar, Uhor, Venger); Yugoslavians, Finns, Lapps, Estonians, Siberians, Voguls, Poles, Czechs, Croatians, Bosnians, Montenegrins, Mordvins, Serbians, Slovenians, Slovakians, Karelians, Komi-Zyrians, Udmurts, Izhorians, Livonians, Bulgarians, Avars, Tartars, Turks, Colchi, Armenians, Georgians and other related groups).

Asshur "a step" or "strong"

(sons were Mirus and Mokil) - (Assyrians/Northern Iraqis)

http://www.soundchristian.com/man/

[Tall Timbers]

Here's the link: http://www.hallindsey.com/watchman-warning-572012/

I found this comment especially interesting:

"The proposed removal from the EU of the UK composed of England, Ireland and Scotland could even possibly refer to the predicted removal of three nations in Daniel's above prophecy."

If you included, Wales, which is also part of Great Britain, that would derail the possibility you refer to regarding Daniel's prophecy.

[M4EVERHIS]

If you included, Wales, which is also part of Great Britain, that would derail the possibility you refer to regarding Daniel's prophecy.

but perhaps this answers the "Wales" question: "At the time Scotland and England united, Wales was considered a part of England hence the reason that Wales is not represented on the Union Flag." (Taken from the wiki link in post)

[GodwithUS]

Remember that the pope is a German, might be more than a coincidence.