Did Jesus live "off the grid"?

[faizz]

I was reading today:

Matthew 8:20 KJV
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

or NIV for those who prefer it:

Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

Also Jesus and his cousin John spent a lot of time in the wilderness. John lived of locusts and wild honey in the wilderness, and did not wear clothing bought from a store (Matthew 3:4). Jesus often spent long periods of time in the wilderness fasting and praying.

I was wondering if this meant that Jesus and John lived "off the grid"? Did John pay tax or use money, or even have a job?

[Steve53]

Not really sure one can equate today's "grid" with the realities of life two thousand years ago. People paid taxes, participated in the census and were generally involved in their communities, trading, buying and selling, etc. Jesus and the Apostles were hosted in many abodes throughout their ministries.

[IMSAVED]

By "living off the grid" you mean homeless yes Jesus was homeless.He did have friends who gave him a place to sleep now and then through his ministry.

[icebear]

and it doesn't mean we have to...... or that we are somehow evil for living 'on-grid'

[IMSAVED]

and it doesn't mean we have to...... or that we are somehow evil for living 'on-grid'

Right,it is very risky now to be homeless.Jesus wants to provide for us.

[Buzzardhut]

By "living off the grid" you mean homeless yes Jesus was homeless.He did have friends who gave him a place to sleep now and then through his ministry.

I'm pretty sure Jesus could crash at Mary's casa anytime He wanted to, though she didn't have a basement, but He was too busy going about His Father's business to be concerned with it.

[IMSAVED]

Some pastors have claimed that Jesus was a millionaire.

[iSong6:3]

I was wondering if this meant that Jesus and John lived "off the grid"? Did John pay tax or use money, or even have a job?

Jesus went away from the crowds to concentrate on His time with the Father and to recharge to go back into the world of people where He lived. Subtle distinction perhaps.

I'm not aware of a money-making career for John but Jesus was a carpenter and we can be sure the tax-happy Romans got their hands on part of that income. After all, it was Jesus Who told us to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

Almost certainly John was under a Nazirite vow from birth, he could definitely handle money though, as that is not part of the vows.

[HeIsEnough]

Jesus was a carpenter and we can be sure the tax-happy Romans got their hands on part of that income. After all, it was Jesus Who told us to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

That.



Or, He couldn't get a green card to fly to the Idaho mountains to live like a hermit.

[dleader]

Some pastors have claimed that Jesus was a millionaire.

I wonder where they get that from. I have not seen it in any Bible I've read. I could understand them saying that though to justify their own wealth from fleecing their flock.

[meshee]

I wonder where they get that from. I have not seen it in any Bible I've read. I could understand them saying that though to justify their own wealth from fleecing their flock.

This is usually their proof text:

2 Corinthians 8:9 "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich."

[Steve53]

This is usually their proof text:

2 Corinthians 8:9 "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich."

....and is stark evidence of them completely missing the point....

[Wally]

He made it ALL. It is all His.

We messed it up, yet He was willing to fix it ALL.

There was no place for Him in this sin corrupted world.... except a Cross;


and every heart that would receive Him. Millions of Homes. Praise Jesus!

[IMSAVED]

I wonder where they get that from. I have not seen it in any Bible I've read. I could understand them saying that though to justify their own wealth from fleecing their flock.

I am sure that they want to justify their own wealth.

[Steve53]

Jesus was homeless.

While I "get" your overall intent - it is not accurate to say that Jesus was homeless.

[IMSAVED]

While I "get" your overall intent - it is not accurate to say that Jesus was homeless.

Please explain your answer.

[Steve53]

Please explain your answer.

'Twas not I making the statement Jesus was homeless. Jesus took His ministry to the people and was housed in many abodes. He was not homeless.

[IMSAVED]

'Twas not I making the statement Jesus was homeless. Jesus took His ministry to the people and was housed in many abodes. He was not homeless.

While Jesus was here on Earth,He willingly relinquished His eternal riches and most of the privileges of His deity.Jesus and his disciples depended entirely on the hospitality of others.
Jesus said Luke 9:58 "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests,but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head".
I know some transients who have a place to stay sometimes when they are not sleeping underneith the bridge.

[Steve53]

While Jesus was here on Earth,He willingly relinquished His eternal riches and most of the privileges of His deity.Jesus and his disciples depended entirely on the hospitality of others.
Jesus said Luke 9:58 "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests,but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head".
I know some transients who have a place to stay sometimes when they are not sleeping underneith the bridge.

Context is always key to understanding scripture. Look to the verses before and after the one you would use to support your view and consider the audience. Jesus meant that the world He came to save had no place for Him (think John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you) not that He was not homeless in the sense you imply.

[IMSAVED]

I respectfully disagree.