Outrage grows over Syrian massacre

[Shannon9602]

It seems like they are all talks but do nothing...

[bleatingsheep]

Why cant the World act here?
We have a massacre that includes 32 children and all the UN can do is watch from the sidelines.
Summonning a few Syrian diplomats and given them a telling off isnt going to stop these slaughters continuing
If Nato or the UN can intervene in Libya last year why is it so powerless with Syria?

Who can watch these stories in the news and not get very angry and distressed that this is alolowed to happen

[iSong6:3]

Who can watch these stories in the news and not get very angry and distressed that this is alolowed to happen

No one, it's just horrific.

Apparently as of last week the US was *considering* arming the rebels if they can be assured no weapons would get in the hands of terrorists.

[RandallB]

No one, it's just horrific.

Apparently as of last week the US was *considering* arming the rebels if they can be assured no weapons would get in the hands of terrorists.

Just wondering how the Obama/Clinton administration will define terrorists?

Miss-understanders of the peaceful Qur'an?

Those that oppose Muslim Brotherhood's agenda?

Those that oppose Sharia Law?

Christians?

Those that ask for birth certificates?

If the rebels win then so does Sharia Law and Christians lose.
However, reading ahead, according to the last chapter in the book, Christians win.


ing for those persecuted ones in Syria and the whole ME.

[iSong6:3]

Just wondering how the Obama/Clinton administration will define terrorists?

Miss-understanders of the peaceful Qur'an?

Those that oppose Muslim Brotherhood's agenda?

Those that oppose Sharia Law?

Christians?

Those that ask for birth certificates?

If the rebels win then so does Sharia Law and Christians lose.
However, reading ahead, according to the last chapter in the book, Christians win.


ing for those persecuted ones in Syria and the whole ME.

That's the conundrum...not sure how they weigh these things but the West tends to be a wee bit too optimistic about these changes in the Arab governments, don't they.

[Homesick777]

To the world, the West wants to be seen as humanitarians. Deep beneath the surface lurks the true reality of the anti-Semite West who will always side with the forces who are most likely to attack Israel before the current parties in power would. We need only to look across northern Africa to see this truth played out.

The horrors we see being suffered by the rebels are nothing compared to the suffering they would desire to inflict on Israel after achieving control of Syria. The West secretly approves of this scenario. They aren't as blind as they want us to believe. Knowing this, it is difficult not to reluctantly side with Syria at this time, for next month we could see hundreds of thousands of Jewish men, women and children lying dead in the streets by the hands of those same downtrodden Syrian Rebel Freedom Fighters.

We must use our spiritual vision to see 2 or 3 steps beyond what the world sees. Let God's children not be deceived by those things not yet seen, but which we have been foretold they will BE.

[$teve]

One reason why the west will not intervene militarily is the public outrage and opprobrium that follows. NATO can intevene and not be required to choose sides, but rather create safe-havens and humanitarian corridors. Political gridlocks in the west from the nation state up to the UN will ensure nothing gets done.

Perhaps if there was oil there something would happen, remarked the host on local Canberra radio station this morning, admitting to feeling a large amount of cynicism. Perhaps the spoils are not worth the costs in this instance?

By sitting back and failing to intervene, is actually providing terrorists the means to acquire Syria's WMDs should the government have any. It could be why we will see prophecy unfold.

[logosone]

Well, I guess we can't bring up the additional fact
that Syria harbors and supports terror central since the
"War on Terror is over"

I'm not holding my breath on any of this because I continue
to believe many may be shocked at actions that might
come out of this admin. On it's surface it may not seem
characteristic or intelligent at all, but politics is a strange animal.

[$teve]

China and Russia reaffirm support for Syria

China on Wednesday restated its opposition to military intervention in Syria, as Russia sought to halt fresh UN Security Council action after a massacre of civilians sparked global fury.

The renewed support by Moscow and Beijing for the Damascus regime came as numerous Western nations, including the United States, Britain and France, expelled Syrian diplomats in the wake of Friday's massacre and after France floated the idea of armed intervention to protect civilians.

"China opposes military intervention in Syria and opposes regime change by force," foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin told reporters in Beijing.

Liu added that China urged all parties to implement UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan's ceasefire proposal in Syria and to seek to end the bloody crisis through negotiations.

With Russian and Chinese support, the UN Security Council on Sunday strongly condemned the Syrian government for using artillery in a massacre in the central town of Houla in which at least 108 people were killed.

But Russia, which along with China has vetoed two UN Security Council resolutions highly critical of President Bashar al-Assad's regime, on Wednesday said it was "premature" for the council to consider new action.

"We believe that a review now by the Security Council of any new measures on the situation would be premature," Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told the Interfax news agency in comments that appeared to dash Washington's hopes of a change of heart in Moscow.

The US State Department had said on Tuesday it hoped the Houla tragedy would spark a "turning point" in Russia's reluctance to take tougher action against its Soviet-era ally.

Annan, during a meeting with Assad in Damascus on Tuesday, urged the Syrian leader to act immediately to end 15 months of bloodshed which has claimed thousands of lives, warning that the country had reached a "tipping point."

French President Francois Hollande had said on Tuesday that he did not rule out military intervention, provided it were approved by the UN Security Council.

"An armed intervention is not excluded on the condition that it is carried out with respect to international law, meaning after deliberation by the United Nations Security Council," he said in a television interview.

Australia said it was open to discussion about military intervention in Syria but warned of the significant challenges involved in getting it off the ground.

Japan on Wednesday joined the chorus of international outrage at the slaughter of civilians in Houla, telling the Syrian ambassador in Tokyo to leave the country "as soon as possible."

Japan's decision followed the apparently coordinated expulsion of diplomats the previous day by the European Union, the United States and other governments including Australia, Canada and Switzerland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...for-Syria.html

The rhetoric for military intervention is building, only that 'international law' forbids it, due to the two dissenting countries, China and Russia.

[$teve]

Interesting perspective and opinion piece from Israel news.

West should topple Assad
Yakir Elkariv
Published: 05.29.12, 10:59 / Israel Opinion

Just like his father before him, Assad Junior is a cold-blooded murderer who will do anything to stay in power. As the leader of a minority, he will do everything to maintain his hold on Syria – apparently based on the knowledge of what his fate and his family’s fate would be the moment they fall into the hands of the masses.

We must grimly admit that thus far, his strategy of firing in all directions and accusing the world of staging a conspiracy against him has proven itself. Neither Arab League condemnations nor Security Council threats have undermined his regime. At times it seems that the horrific images coming out of Syria almost daily have become part of the news routine.

The West must intervene in order to save the Syrian people from the nightmare they are caught up in. However, in Assad’s case one must be very cautious about creating a situation whereby the Syrian leader decides to bring down his foes as he goes down himself.

After all, the Alawite regime is armed to the teeth, among other things with long-range missiles that can hit Israel too. The danger is that the moment Assad realizes that he has no other way out he may fire them in order to stir a global commotion and disrupt the world’s plans.


Hardest nut to crack

The West should not delude itself: No operation, as successful as it may be, would be surgical. Assad’s removal would likely draw the whole of Syria into a terrible bloodbath and many innocents will be paying with their lives. However, his survival in power is already a stain on the West’s face, headed by the United States.

Nobody has any expectations from Putin. Yet does the whole world, and the honorable US president, have to remain paralyzed in the face of the ongoing horror until the Russian bear wakes up from its moralistic winter slumber and agrees to cooperate?

One must not think that one way or another, Assad will fall – as part of the energies unleashed by the “Arab Spring.” Should the world not topple him, he will not fall, and at the end of that day may even get to hand over power to his son.

Compared to the leaders toppled in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Yemen, by now it’s already clear that Assad is the hardest nut to crack. Hence, removing him is the most urgent mission.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...235392,00.html

[$teve]

Ah ha! Just as I suggested in my post above and elsewhere previously....



West may be forced to seize Bashar al-Assad's toxic gas stockpile

International troops could be forced to intervene in Syria if the collapse of President Bashar al-Assad's regime were to leave stockpiles of his chemical weapons vulnerable to terrorists, western diplomatic sources have told the Daily Telegraph.

Syria possesses hundreds of tons of VX, Sarin and mustard gas. Western governments are concerned about the security of these munitions if Mr Assad's regime falls or loses control over the relevant sites.

"The thing that privately has got people very worried is chemical weapon stocks," said the diplomat. "Were it to be the case that the regime did start to lose control of the security environment, and it looked as though it wasn't able to secure those sites, then that would be a game-changer."

At present, the 14-month uprising probably does not pose an "existential threat" to the regime, added the diplomat. But if that changed, the international community would have to avert the threat of chemical weapons falling in dangerous hands.

Al-Qaeda, which has been blamed for recent suicide bombings in Syria, is understood to have moved operatives into the country from neighbouring Iraq. Hizbollah, the Shia extremist group, has a longstanding presence in Syria and a close alliance with Mr Assad.

"We could not tolerate the possibility of some of that stuff falling into the wrong hands," said the diplomat. "This uprising is not an existential threat to the Assad cartel, but if it was the case that they were starting to lose the plot and it looked as if their ability to secure those materials was questionable, then I think you'd see more very serious worries coming out of the Security Council."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...stockpile.html

[Joseph The Carpenter]

How do we know if some of it has already fallen into the "wrong" hands?

[$teve]

How do we know if some of it has already fallen into the "wrong" hands?

At this stage likely not, but who knows. If any have, they certainly won't sit as ornaments on the shelf for too long before being launched.

[Wishing4]

Do these happen to be stored somewhere significant?

[tbrian40]

If Israel and/or her resources are the hook in USSR's nose,

it looks like the US/UN is tugging the line.

Our God is amazing! 40 years ago, Iran had a good thing going with Israel. 20 years ago, Russia and Turkey had decent relations with Israel. God said it would turn in the latter days--has it ever! China is pretending to be a buddy to Israel because of her new discoveries of oil and gas deposits. Genesis 49:25. Every word from Yahweh will be fulfilled to the last stroke. Maranatha!

[$teve]

Do these happen to be stored somewhere significant?

Don't know, probably in Damascus somewhere.

Our God is amazing! 40 years ago, Iran had a good thing going with Israel. 20 years ago, Russia and Turkey had decent relations with Israel. God said it would turn in the latter days--has it ever! China is pretending to be a buddy to Israel because of her new discoveries of oil and gas deposits. Genesis 49:25. Every word from Yahweh will be fulfilled to the last stroke. Maranatha!

Yep Russia and China are chumming up real close to Israel's enemies. The 'hook in the jaw' is becoming abundantly clearer almost by the day.

[LightOfMyLife]

Don't know, probably in Damascus somewhere.




Yep Russia and China are chumming up real close to Israel's enemies. The 'hook in the jaw' is becoming abundantly clearer almost by the day.

The nations are lining up against Israel just as prophesied in the Gog & Magog scenario. I don't believe we will be here to see that so our going home is getting close. The Damascus prophecy is even closer. It is so interesting to see the pieces of prophecy coming together just like a puzzle.

[$teve]

The nations are lining up against Israel just as prophesied in the Gog & Magog scenario. I don't believe we will be here to see that so our going home is getting close. The Damascus prophecy is even closer. It is so interesting to see the pieces of prophecy coming together just like a puzzle.

Awesome, I agree, so much closer!

[Patti311]

Awesome, I agree, so much closer!

How close...we don't know...but it's probably closer than we think. For me, I KNOW in my heart, mind & spirit God prophesied all the happenings going on now...but it's still so surreal for me to see these things coming to be....it's hard to put into words...but very exciting.

[$teve]

Syria on brink of sectarian civil war, West says
By Mariam Karouny and Dominic Evans
BEIRUT | Thu May 31, 2012 5:04pm EDT

(Reuters) - Syria is nearing full-blown sectarian civil war that would be catastrophic for the entire Middle East, Western nations said on Thursday, urging Russia to end its support for President Bashar al-Assad and put pressure on him to stop the bloodshed.

With anti-Assad rebels urging international envoy Kofi Annan to declare his peace plan dead, freeing them from any commitment to the tattered truce, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the prospect of spiraling violence presented "terrible" danger.

"A civil war in a country that would be driven by sectarian divides ... could then morph into a proxy war in the region because, remember, you have Iran deeply embedded in Syria," Clinton said during a trip to Copenhagen where she urged Moscow to increase pressure on Assad.

Russia, like China, has vetoed two Security Council resolutions calling for tougher action against Damascus, while stressing hopes that Annan's plan can spur a political solution. Washington called a reported shipment of Russian arms to Syria "reprehensible" although not illegal.

"The Russians keep telling us they want to do everything they can to avoid a civil war because they believe that the violence would be catastrophic," Clinton said.

"I think they are in effect propping up the regime at a time when we should be working on a political transition."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Syria was moving towards "all-out civil war or a state of collapse". The European Union was drafting new sanctions against Syria, he added, calling on other nations to pressure Assad.

A bloody crackdown on what began 14 months ago as a peaceful mass uprising has increasingly turned it into an armed conflict between heavily armed forces representing an establishment dominated by Assad's Alawite minority, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam, and rebel forces drawn largely from the Sunni majority.

Damascus says the rebels are backed by Sunni-ruled Gulf Arab states fearful of the growing influence of Syria's main ally in the region, Shi'ite Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84S0P020120531